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Talwar, 1,299,610 ISK
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Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Warp Disruptor II
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
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16th October 2012
4,278 Missile Boat, PvP, Solo
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[Talwar, kiing talwar done right]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Warp Disruptor II
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
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  • Ethendir
  • Stefan33

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  • Amber Thetawaves
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Targeting Maximum targets 6
Maximum targeting range 45000 m
Scan resolution 687.5 mm
Sensor strength 0 9 0 0
Size/Movement Max velocity 1995.87
Inertia modifier 1.64822
Signature radius 360 m
Cargo capacity 320 m3
Systems Capacitor capacity 455.63 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 3 minutes 37 seconds
Powergrid 62.1 / 63.75 MW
CPU 232 / 250 tf
Shields Shield capacity 1062.5
Shield recharge time 7 minutes 48 seconds
Shield resistances 10.5% 55.25% 46.3% 28.4%
Armor Armor hit points 1000
Armor resistances 65.2% 21.7% 34.75% 43.45%
Structure Structure hit points 800
Structure resistances 56% 56% 56% 56%
Drones Drone capacity 0 m3
Drone bandwidth 0 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m
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STATS:

EHP: 5k
DPS: 206 / 243 with fury nova missiles
       170 / 200 with caldari navy nova missiles

SPEED: 2079 / 2925

Also thought of dropping one dps rig and replace it with polycarbon and thurster rigs but didn't push the speed that much 2199 / 3093. I dont know, Im gonna have to try Im pretty new to the missiles game as well so suggestions are welcome.

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  • February 12, 2013, 05:56:39 pm

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    Not bad.  If you're fast enough I think the dmg potential of using a TP and kiting AWAY from the target is insanely effective.  If you don't have the speed to keep tacklers off you, or don't have the dmg to drop them before they get a scram on you, then yes, the web is awesome.  But I prefer the TP on the talwar.
  • February 12, 2013, 06:52:30 pm

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    yea overall not too bad- youre just going to have to be choosy with your targets. it doesnt happen much, but if you happen to run into a brawly type frig with a full tackle and a MWD, youre probably gonna get popped. they have less DPS than this ship- but the tank can be enough to outlast your dps.
  • February 12, 2013, 07:28:40 pm

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    The important part about the Talwar/Corax is their alpha potential; how much volley damage do you do?
  • February 12, 2013, 07:46:51 pm

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    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.
  • February 12, 2013, 11:05:21 pm

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    Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Amber Thetawaves forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    this might be a wall of text that hits for over 9000

    but it is all wisdom

    don't kite in destroyers
  • February 12, 2013, 11:18:03 pm

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    I agree with both Amber and Boomrider.

    However, just to play devils advocate, this does look like a fairly good way to kill a cruiser. It can kill off drones super fast and be too fast for many cruisers to deal with effectively (like frigates). It may be too thin though with too big of a sig radius.

    I dunno. I pretty much only flew destroyers to either salvage (cormorant/ Thrasher) or suicide (thrasher/ catalyst).

    What do you fellas think?

    PS: What is your speed without the MWD on. That will be pretty important.
  • February 13, 2013, 01:38:42 am

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    amber and boomrider should play EVE some more, kiting in desies works fine if flown correctly. having said that, the tier 2 dessies really aren't fast enough to kite most of the time, this one is no exception. If you want to kite in a dessy go get an arty thrasher that does 2500 m/s unheated, much more fun. (please note that the catalyst and thrasher are the fastest dessies now, closely followed by the coercer)
  • February 13, 2013, 05:58:48 am

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    Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    This ship could take out AB frigs with some careful piloting- most AB frigs go between 1000 and 1300 m/sec, around 1500 on OH-

    but yea, the arty thrasher is about the only destroyer i would personally kite in. If you are strictly a missile pilot, i think the corax is a better missile boat all around for both pvp and pve due to cpu/grid.
  • February 13, 2013, 07:49:53 am

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    DPS sucks, use CPU rigs
    Use loki links anyway
  • February 13, 2013, 09:10:37 am

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    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    No Boomrider you are wrong here

    It does almost 200 dps and has a web.

    I use a rail Cat / Cormy with no propulsion module, and no warp disruptor, and I destroy any frigate besides a heavily tanked MWD assault frigate. But How'm I supposed to kite with no mwd?

    It's about dps, and projection.

    In fact, the opposite of what you say is true - if you fit a Destroyer for close range, you will never have the speed to get there.

    The philosophy of destroyers I follow is simple: DPS, range, and webs in case they get close to you.

    I wouldn't fly this setup but I know it works from seeing others fly setups just like it. I think it would be better with a BCS instead of the DC, but I know CPU is tight.
  • February 13, 2013, 10:03:25 am

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    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    It eats MWD Frigate Kiters for lunch, and there is almost no ship that does it better than this (talking of frigs/destroyer). Why? because of great Range and Volley, while having 5k decent EHP (most if the kiting frigates don't have that much tank/range dps). If they are smart, they can disengage because they are faster, but the volley is big (not talking of one shots) and that's why they die in 90% of the fights, that's my experience
    About 2200 m/s cold with quafe is even fast enough to avoid getting tackled by plated frigates or even some unplated.
    Against destroyers it's even better because now you'll have the speed to kite them + dps and range.
    I almost solo killed a shield AC Cane (using a TD instead of web) but I was forced to warp off because of more canes arriving.... (without links or snakes, just quafe)


    I think the corax is a better missile boat all around for both pvp and pve due to cpu/grid.

    It just can't kite...


    To the Loadout:

    against every small stuff I'd prefer a TP to apply the dps. Web would be better for that but you shouldn't get in web range. TD against bigger stuff or web if you have to kill some drones and don't have to worry about guns

    +1, it has almost similar stats than mine though it is quite different.

    http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/64156-Kiting-Talwar.html

    Bit more volley, 30m/s slower, but you can tweak a TD on there without sacrificing the dps (drop 1 Astronautic Rigg for an POI)



  • February 13, 2013, 03:12:24 pm

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    This ship could take out AB frigs with some careful piloting- most AB frigs go between 1000 and 1300 m/sec, around 1500 on OH-

    Since the frig buff (both t1 and t2), only scrubs fit ABs on frigates. Will this abomination kill scrubs ? Undoubtedly. Will it kill any competently fitted and flown frigate ? No chance.

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    It eats MWD Frigate Kiters for lunch, and there is almost no ship that does it better than this (talking of frigs/destroyer). Why? because of great Range and Volley, while having 5k decent EHP (most if the kiting frigates don't have that much tank/range dps). If they are smart, they can disengage because they are faster, but the volley is big (not talking of one shots) and that's why they die in 90% of the fights, that's my experience
    About 2200 m/s cold with quafe is even fast enough to avoid getting tackled by plated frigates or even some unplated.
    Against destroyers it's even better because now you'll have the speed to kite them + dps and range.
    I almost solo killed a shield AC Cane (using a TD instead of web) but I was forced to warp off because of more canes arriving.... (without links or snakes, just quafe)


    Dude, let's face it - 90% of EVE are carebears and only 25% of the remaining 10% actually have a clue. The other 75% will happily hit a 500m orbit with an active mwd and if they manage to get a killmail, they start a blog-like threadnaught on BC's kb. Hey, I bet you 5mil ISK that the majority of the lowsec 1337 pee vee pee populace won't be able to comprehensively explain, why they keep fitting ABs on their frigs even though it became meaningless a pretty long time ago; I also bet that they'll try to feed you that old bullshit story about how 'mwd's are exclusively for 0.0'. But I digress.

    Now, let's try listing the truly effective kiting frigates:

    1) Slicer
    2) Arty Wolf
    3) Nanoretrib
    4) Hookbill (?)

    The rest are just not meant for it, and even if some are fitted for kiting, the 3(4) above mentioned do it best. Do you really think that the talwar in question can kill any of these, before they kill him ?


    No Boomrider you are wrong here

    It does almost 200 dps and has a web.

    I use a rail Cat / Cormy with no propulsion module, and no warp disruptor, and I destroy any frigate besides a heavily tanked MWD assault frigate. But How'm I supposed to kite with no mwd?

    It's about dps, and projection.

    In fact, the opposite of what you say is true - if you fit a Destroyer for close range, you will never have the speed to get there.

    The philosophy of destroyers I follow is simple: DPS, range, and webs in case they get close to you.

    I wouldn't fly this setup but I know it works from seeing others fly setups just like it. I think it would be better with a BCS instead of the DC, but I know CPU is tight.

    I think what I said was easy enough to read and comprehend, but apparently it wasn't. Try reading my post again and actually pay attention this time. Hint: 1st sentence, 2/3 towards the end. When done and understood, I don't think you'll use your sniping cormorant as a valid argument anymore.
  • February 13, 2013, 03:53:19 pm

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    So you think missiles are worse for kiting than turrets?

    Cause that's the difference between the Cormorant / Corax, and between the Thrasher / Talwar.
  • February 13, 2013, 03:54:23 pm

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    Hmm i think this has some merit

    Keeping the web pre overheated and some good reflexes might save you when your shitty speed it failing you
  • February 14, 2013, 03:25:19 am

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    Hmm i think this has some merit

    Keeping the web pre overheated and some good reflexes might save you when your shitty speed it failing you

    That is exactly the purpose of it. I even use a web on my condor because it's a great application to have on kiters, when you mess up, good against people trying to slingshot and lay scrambler or even if you warp on top of a bad situation it will help you get away and establish your comfort zone.

  • February 14, 2013, 03:33:10 am

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    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    It eats MWD Frigate Kiters for lunch, and there is almost no ship that does it better than this (talking of frigs/destroyer). Why? because of great Range and Volley, while having 5k decent EHP (most if the kiting frigates don't have that much tank/range dps). If they are smart, they can disengage because they are faster, but the volley is big (not talking of one shots) and that's why they die in 90% of the fights, that's my experience
    About 2200 m/s cold with quafe is even fast enough to avoid getting tackled by plated frigates or even some unplated.
    Against destroyers it's even better because now you'll have the speed to kite them + dps and range.
    I almost solo killed a shield AC Cane (using a TD instead of web) but I was forced to warp off because of more canes arriving.... (without links or snakes, just quafe)


    I think the corax is a better missile boat all around for both pvp and pve due to cpu/grid.

    It just can't kite...


    To the Loadout:

    against every small stuff I'd prefer a TP to apply the dps. Web would be better for that but you shouldn't get in web range. TD against bigger stuff or web if you have to kill some drones and don't have to worry about guns

    +1, it's has almost similar stats than mine though it is quite different.

    http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/64156-Kiting-Talwar.html

    Bit more volley, 30m/s slower, but you can tweak a TD on there without sacrificing the dps (drop 1 Astronautic Rigg for an POI)





    Your loadout was a starting point for this idea, also when I read the comments mr Maz3rs comment on your loadout who knows what he's talking about.

    TD > Tp

    web>td>tp

    I'm still not entirely sure where the -1 came from, if the person could specify why I'd be grateful.
  • February 14, 2013, 03:40:05 am

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    'The important part' is that you kittens still don't realize that the Ti2 dessies aren't meant to kite. The primary role of a destroyer class ship is to take down frigates; but no matter how many nanos and overdrives you're gonna slap on any of them, they're still going to be slower than every frigate in game. The only advantage that the destroyers have over frigates is either dps or tank, and this here talwar has none. It'll HDIAF to practically every t1 frig in game (barring the rifter because it plain sucks in every department) since its life span is measured merely up until it gets scrammed and webbed, and that will happen within 10 sec from the moment the fight starts.

    The other important part is that the talwar is a roadkill from start to finish, it is most probably the worst underdog among the sub-cruiser hulls because it plain sucks in any role you put it in. While the algos or the corax can hold their own against frigates, t2 included, and the dragoon devours any cap-dependant frigate, the talwar has absolutely nothing to offer. The only reason CFC doesn't use talwars for suicide tackling is because it is slower and more expensive than their welp rifters.

    This ship could take out AB frigs with some careful piloting- most AB frigs go between 1000 and 1300 m/sec, around 1500 on OH-

    but yea, the arty thrasher is about the only destroyer i would personally kite in. If you are strictly a missile pilot, i think the corax is a better missile boat all around for both pvp and pve due to cpu/grid.


    This talwar pwns arty thrasher  with ease. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16371042

    The fact that if frigs lay scram on you in an arty means you are CERTAINLY going to die http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16277758

    Talwar can still hit, effectively long range or short range with awesome volley, which automatically makes it a better ship in my eyes <3
  • February 14, 2013, 06:15:25 am

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    The important part about the Talwar/Corax is their alpha potential; how much volley damage do you do?

    Can do 1535 with fury nova
                1257 with CN nova
  • February 14, 2013, 06:39:51 am

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    Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ethendir forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    @ Boomrider:
    don't know how you fit your ships or what fitting you use, but this one kills arti wolfs as well as paper slicers or stuff like that... 208dps (about 1500 volley!!!) combined with more than 30km range without falloff and 5k EHP...
    Wolf has less dps at range and less EHP for example, against slicers or stuff like that, it's even easier...... it kills every kiter you listed... what is the biggest fear of every kiter? long range missiles, it's nearly that simple....

    Havn't had a fight against a arti wolf under real conditions, just tried it at the testserver when i tested my loadout under clear conditions and I won (Wolf pilot had nearly all lvl5 skills, bit better than my missiles skills). 

  • February 14, 2013, 02:53:31 pm

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    Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Boomrider forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    Well then, come back when you have any TQ killmail to show. Talk is cheap ::)