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Ship fitting - Built on December 5, 2012

Tengu, 129,890,000 ISK
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Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Ammo
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile, 220 ISK
Scourge Heavy Assault Missile, 70 ISK
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16th October 2012
6,054 Active tank, Complex, Expensive, Missile Boat, PvE, Shield tank, Short range, Solo, Speed tank
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[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

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Version 4 changed on Dec 7, 2012
[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Version 3 changed on Dec 6, 2012
[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Gist X-Type Explosive Deflection Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Version 2 changed on Dec 6, 2012
[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type Explosive Deflection Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Version 1 changed on Dec 5, 2012
[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type Explosive Deflection Field

Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Positive ratings (3)

  • HatchetBanana
  • Raisin Biscuit
  • Seranova Farreach

Negative ratings (6)

  • barnn
  • Drazer
  • fr33dom fighter
  • gojuadorai
  • Jack Miton
  • Khaine
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Targeting Maximum targets 5
Maximum targeting range 117187.5 m
Scan resolution 293.75 mm
Sensor strength 35 0 0 0
Size/Movement Max velocity 647.13
Inertia modifier 0.26123
Signature radius 150 m
Cargo capacity 0 m3
Systems Capacitor capacity 2070.31 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 5 minutes 18 seconds
Powergrid 675.2 / 750 MW
CPU 493 / 635 tf
Shields Shield capacity 4562.5
Shield recharge time 20 minutes 22 seconds
Shield resistances 75.26% 70.31% 82.19% 88.13%
Armor Armor hit points 3062.5
Armor resistances 50% 10% 62.5% 86.25%
Structure Structure hit points 2076.25
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drones Drone capacity 0 m3
Drone bandwidth 0 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m
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Stats @ All 5
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Cap stable without shield booster at________69%
Cap with everything runing________________6m 59s
Effective HP___________________________30,177
DPS with scourge rage___________________894 @ max 32,7 km
DPS with scourge javelin___________________628 @ max 54,7 km
DPS with scourge T1_____________________698 @ max 36,5 km
Speed without afterburner________________156 m/s
Speed with afterburner___________________661 m/s

Shield resistance EM___________________75,3%
Shield resistance Thermal_______________88,1%
Shield resistance kinetic________________82,2%
Shield resistance explosive_____________70,3%
Shield effective HP____________________21695

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Comments

  • December 05, 2012, 05:48:12 am

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    Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    Needs target painters. At least 2 of them.
    Needs 2x Rigor, 1x Flare (Or the other way, your choice really. Difference is 1 DPS applied). Especially after the updates meant they applied to HAMs.
    T2 said rigs.
    Other than that, the only thing I disagree with is the faction launchers. T2 are better imho, but that's preference (And cost).

    No +1 until I see damage application modules on this.
  • December 05, 2012, 06:02:23 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    Needs target painters. At least 2 of them

    Eh, TPs for HAMs ?!
  • December 05, 2012, 06:11:53 am

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    Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    If you are going to go for the rigor/flare setup, you wont need TPs, but you will need one or the other. Also, faction AB is a little Meh, if youre gonna pimp a bit on the prop mod, go for a deadspace version.

    I ran something very similar to this but I used tech 2 launchers with Rage missiles. It is way overtanked for level 4s, you can probably drop a resist mod or a shield boost amplifier for a utility mod like a sensor booster in missions where you get dampened and so forth.

    The only downside to the HAM Tengu is having to chase targets. I ended up switching back to my Navy raven for level 4s cause it was easier to sit in one place and sling cruise missiles.

  • December 05, 2012, 06:15:20 am

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    HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with. HatchetBanana is a force to reckon with.

    always orbit 10km from target n forget the TP, always have the rite resist.
    looks fine+1
  • December 05, 2012, 06:27:57 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    This loadout has been updated
    Changed the AB.. but it still shows the old one.. don't know if i made something wrong.
  • December 05, 2012, 06:32:21 am

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    Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.
  • December 05, 2012, 12:02:09 pm

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    Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Ghalyen forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.

    what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
  • December 05, 2012, 12:14:30 pm

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    Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Kirimeena forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
    not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
    not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
    not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.

    what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
    He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.
  • December 05, 2012, 12:32:55 pm

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
    not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
    not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
    not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.

    what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
    He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.

    There are no "Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type" btw. an Gistum A-Type is way more expensive.
    Not sure if not sure.
    And btw. sometimes i stay afk in jita with this fit for hours.. no one wants to gank me :P
  • December 05, 2012, 12:46:13 pm

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    There are no "Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type" btw. an Gistum A-Type is way more expensive.
    Not sure if not sure.

    If they are called Gist/Pith A/X-type that doesnt mean they dont exist.

    And btw. sometimes i stay afk in jita with this fit for hours.. no one wants to gank me :P

    Docked?
  • December 05, 2012, 12:48:36 pm

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

  • December 05, 2012, 01:32:17 pm

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    Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Jack Miton forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    WAY over tanked.
    needs 3 slot tank, 2 TPs, T2 rigs, T2 launchers.
  • December 05, 2012, 02:23:19 pm

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    So you want TPs on this.. there is no need for them O.o In L4 i can hit everything perfectly fine with this.
    Go ahead and post your own fit with TPs ^^
  • December 05, 2012, 03:08:43 pm

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    What's funny is that I posted this fit far before Retribution, and even then its better.

    Yeah, you want at least one TP. A fourth CN BCS adding minimal dps while only using T1 rigs isn't something to be proud of either.
    Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.
    what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
    He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.
    This is irrelevant to the fit at hand. You're not gonna be tanking against EM when fighting Serp/Guri or even Angels (even though they hit for 12% EM?). That is why most alphanados can be found in Aunia, where those are really the only L4s you get. For someone who's bragging about being able to gank, I'd think you'd be competent enough to know that.

    Edit:

    1.)not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
    2.) not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
    3.) not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
    4.) not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.
    1.) Probably fitting.
    2.) Again, probably fitting. If not, probably lack of skills. If not if not, then there's no reason not to be.
    3.) I agree, but frankly I'd be using Pithum C-Type. :P
    4.) Agreed.
  • December 05, 2012, 03:41:30 pm

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    gojuadorai has no influence.

    i like to see the loss mail so badly
  • December 05, 2012, 03:51:04 pm

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    Stats.

    Needs a republic fleet TP. Its way overtanked and you can maximise your dps more with tp.(Before you say no you cant, you can, I use one and you can one volley frigs.)Also if your pimping the entire ship (Faction launchers included), then at least get T2 Rigs, kinda silly lets be honest.
  • December 05, 2012, 04:50:37 pm

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    So you want TPs on this.. there is no need for them O.o In L4 i can hit everything perfectly fine with this.
    Go ahead and post your own fit with TPs ^^

    you cant hit frigs for sh*t.
  • December 05, 2012, 05:44:48 pm

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    My heavies put down frigs in 1 volley... *shrug*
  • December 05, 2012, 06:03:39 pm

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    Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Raisin Biscuit forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    2 tp's is the baseline for lvl 4 ham tengus.

    I'm not sure if there has been a change to rigors, but i'm pretty sure they only work on guided missiles.

    nvm. just read khaines post.
  • December 05, 2012, 07:56:03 pm

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    If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

    Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

    You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.
  • December 05, 2012, 08:19:00 pm

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    If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

    Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

    You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.

    ever tried to kill elite frigs without TP's?
  • December 06, 2012, 05:04:01 am

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    If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

    Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

    You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.

    ever tried to kill elite frigs without TP's?

    yes, takes 2-3 more volleys, which isnt very long. It is shorter than the cycle time on a target painer. The only thing that gets slightly annoying without one is spider drones.
     
  • December 06, 2012, 05:58:47 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    This loadout has been updated

    * T2 Launchers.
    * Republic Fleet Afterburner > To solve the Powergrid issue.
    * T2 Rigs
    * Now with a Flare Rig.
    * Scourge Rage Missiles.
    * Gist X-Type Hardeners.
    * EFT-Screenshot.
    * Still no Targetpainters, because i totaly agree with Ghalyen.
  • December 06, 2012, 07:40:00 am

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    +1 . firstly i run something similar, just normal  tengu but with HAMs. fit and info below.

    [Tengu, HAMgu]

    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

    Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

    with my skills and just the 3% hardwires AM-703 GP-803 TN-903 RL-1003 and perfect range skills i find the 20min cap is more then enough and it effectivly hits frigs nice and hard enough for them to not be a threat. oh and dont whine about "overtanked" i only need to pulse the booster not cap stable 2 invuls is enough for most missions tho heavy EM ones need EM+invul or angel EXP + invul. one thing i may look at is better AB.
    ranges. jav 45km about 680 dps t1 30km 680ish here too rage 25km 910+ (OH 1060+) . currently doing real world testing (you jelly eft warriors? *trollface* )

    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2278848&#post2278848

    as for this fit the OP posted i cant help but think 2 boost amps with small booster and 2 mission spesific would be better.
  • December 06, 2012, 08:05:48 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    @ Seranova Farreach: [It's totaly Overtanked whine here] Tengu = Small Shield Booster(!). I also don't like the Cap-Rigs. And someone will tell you that you need TPs.. and he is right, because there are no rigs to compensate.
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    if you havnt already been ingame youll find that HAMs are actually as good if not better for hitting smaller targets and NO in my REAL mission tests i have not needed a damn TP. and as for my tank i PULSE its no different then BCs/ BSs with XL boosters. oh and missle skills effect hams better now anyway, so stop beign a keyboard warrior and log in and see for yourself. do not open your mouth till you see the differances for yourself.
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    ps i get 928 dps with rage. for frits i use t1 (hits em good) rage for everythign else.

    oh and if you didnt notise i was actually in support of your fit.
  • December 06, 2012, 11:15:50 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    log in and see for yourself. do not open your mouth till you see the differances for yourself.

    No thanks, i'm happy with my fit.. and i still don't like the Cap Rigs. Ans yes i know that you pule your SB, if u use a Small one u don't need the Cap Rigs. This discussion has nothing to do with your support for my fit. Thank you anyway.

    And how can u make more dmg with rages ? there are no other dmg mods in your fit.
  • December 06, 2012, 04:23:41 pm

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    This loadout has been updated

    * EFT-Screenshot.
    * Still no Targetpainters, because i totaly agree with Ghalyen.

    Did you READ the text below the upload picture button? They are specifically NOT for fitting window screenshots, they are for vanity shots (pictures of the ship).

    Okay, listen buddy. My L4 HAM tengu has no boost amp, and only 2 hardeners with an AB and same shield booster. I can tank EVERY level 4 mission, AE bonus room included. You are overtanked and are wasting w2 (TWO) midslots for that.

    Fit either 1x Fed Navy web, 1x target painter(meta 4) or 2x painters.

    Your Tengu is epically overtanked. You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency, now you have T2 launchers and are going to change the final BCU to T2 (Loss of 8 paper DPS) your fit is heap enough not to need to survive suicide ganks.

    You're wrong about the TP's/Webs. Seriously. You need to be almost in web range before firing HAMs anyway, and TP's GREATLY improve your DPS against smaller craft. 1 of each or 2x TP's will lower your mission time significantly, meaning more isk/Lp per hour.
  • December 06, 2012, 04:48:05 pm

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

    Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.
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    You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

    Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.

    You post fits here to get advice and criticism. Listen to us, you'll be better off. We're not saying it t0o insult you or your fit. We WERE trying to help you.... Now, your attitude just deserves trolling and -1's.
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    in my REAL mission tests i have not needed a damn TP.
    Well, you don't NEED one...

    ...it doesn't hurt, though. :(

    You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

    Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.

    You post fits here to get advice and criticism. Listen to us, you'll be better off. We're not saying it t0o insult you or your fit. We WERE trying to help you.... Now, your attitude just deserves trolling and -1's.
    Gnorf, while Khaine seems like a bit of an ass, he is correct. The purpose of this website is entirely for gathering constructive criticism. And, indeed, I must agree with the regime of "get some TPs on dis Tengu bro"
  • December 07, 2012, 03:47:02 am

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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    This loadout has been updated

    Now with
    * Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    * Republic Fleet Target Painter
    * Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
    * T1 Scourge Missiles
    * Nanites

    i wantet to delete the screenshot but there is no option to do so.
    EDIT: i uploadet another image because I thought it would overwrite the old one.. now there are two images O.o

    The purpose of this website is entirely for gathering constructive criticism.

    Sorry all for my "obstinacy" (is that the word ? sorry i'm german).
    And thanks for the feedback..

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    Gnorf.
  • December 07, 2012, 04:51:45 am

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    Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know. Khaine forgot more about gaming than you'll ever know.

    This loadout has been updated

    Now with
    * Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    * Republic Fleet Target Painter
    * Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
    * T1 Scourge Missiles
    * Nanites
    Sorry all for my "obstinacy" (is that the word ? sorry i'm german).
    And thanks for the feedback..

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    Gnorf.

    What I don't understand is why you argued with us, when I stated why you should be putting painters or webs on there. We gave sound reasoning.

    Also, try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.
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    Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Dr.Gnorf might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.

    Pithum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 40,6 % resis @ 40 GJ activation cost > 6m 59s
    Gistum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 37,5 % resis @ 32 GJ activation cost > 8m 42s

    Hard to say which one is better. 'More tank' or 'more tank time'
    I think you only need the shield tank for damage peaks.. so i think the Pithum is better.
    but the Pithum is more expensive.
  • December 07, 2012, 05:32:53 am

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    try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.

    Pithum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 40,6 % resis @ 40 GJ activation cost > 6m 59s
    Gistum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 37,5 % resis @ 32 GJ activation cost > 8m 42s

    Hard to say which one is better. 'More tank' or 'more tank time'
    I think you only need the shield tank for damage peaks.. so i think the Pithum is better.
    but the Pithum is more expensive.

    Yeah. I understand. I run with capacitor implants in 6 and 8, so am perfectly stable with Pith.