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Khaine
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Needs target painters. At least 2 of them.
Needs 2x Rigor, 1x Flare (Or the other way, your choice really. Difference is 1 DPS applied). Especially after the updates meant they applied to HAMs.
T2 said rigs.
Other than that, the only thing I disagree with is the faction launchers. T2 are better imho, but that's preference (And cost).

No +1 until I see damage application modules on this.
Dr.Gnorf
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Needs target painters. At least 2 of them

Eh, TPs for HAMs ?!
Ghalyen
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Reputation: 1713

If you are going to go for the rigor/flare setup, you wont need TPs, but you will need one or the other. Also, faction AB is a little Meh, if youre gonna pimp a bit on the prop mod, go for a deadspace version.

I ran something very similar to this but I used tech 2 launchers with Rage missiles. It is way overtanked for level 4s, you can probably drop a resist mod or a shield boost amplifier for a utility mod like a sensor booster in missions where you get dampened and so forth.

The only downside to the HAM Tengu is having to chase targets. I ended up switching back to my Navy raven for level 4s cause it was easier to sit in one place and sling cruise missiles.

HatchetBanana
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Reputation: 14

always orbit 10km from target n forget the TP, always have the rite resist.
looks fine+1
Dr.Gnorf
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Reputation: 0

This loadout has been updated
Changed the AB.. but it still shows the old one.. don't know if i made something wrong.
barnn
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Reputation: 545

Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.
Ghalyen
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Reputation: 1713

Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.

what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
Kirimeena
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Reputation: 148

not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.

what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.
Dr.Gnorf
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not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.

what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.

There are no "Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type" btw. an Gistum A-Type is way more expensive.
Not sure if not sure.
And btw. sometimes i stay afk in jita with this fit for hours.. no one wants to gank me :P
Kirimeena
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Reputation: 148

There are no "Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type" btw. an Gistum A-Type is way more expensive.
Not sure if not sure.

If they are called Gist/Pith A/X-type that doesnt mean they dont exist.

And btw. sometimes i stay afk in jita with this fit for hours.. no one wants to gank me :P

Docked?
Dr.Gnorf
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Reputation: 0

Docked?
Nice trollin ^^
Jack Miton
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Reputation: 245

WAY over tanked.
needs 3 slot tank, 2 TPs, T2 rigs, T2 launchers.
Dr.Gnorf
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So you want TPs on this.. there is no need for them O.o In L4 i can hit everything perfectly fine with this.
Go ahead and post your own fit with TPs ^^
Ceno
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Reputation: 1748

What's funny is that I posted this fit far before Retribution, and even then its better.

Yeah, you want at least one TP. A fourth CN BCS adding minimal dps while only using T1 rigs isn't something to be proud of either.
Needs a target painter. Needs T2 guns. Right now, if I found you, you'd have two alphanados sticking you in the butt within minutes.
what does his lack of TP and tech 2 launchers have to do with your gay tornadoes?
He has 12k ehp against EM profile on a 2.5bil boat.
This is irrelevant to the fit at hand. You're not gonna be tanking against EM when fighting Serp/Guri or even Angels (even though they hit for 12% EM?). That is why most alphanados can be found in Aunia, where those are really the only L4s you get. For someone who's bragging about being able to gank, I'd think you'd be competent enough to know that.

Edit:

1.)not sure if those faction launchers are worth 20 dps gain with t1/faction missiles for their price.
2.) not sure if CN SBA is worth 2.5ehp/sec and 100mil more that its T2 variant.
3.) not sure why you are using Gistum A-type hardeners instead of Pithum A/X-type or Gistum X-type. If you are woried about cap life - swap gistum 10mn AB for corelum or RF one.
4.) not sure why you you are not using T2 rigs.
1.) Probably fitting.
2.) Again, probably fitting. If not, probably lack of skills. If not if not, then there's no reason not to be.
3.) I agree, but frankly I'd be using Pithum C-Type. :P
4.) Agreed.
gojuadorai
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Reputation: 1

i like to see the loss mail so badly
Artaire
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Reputation: 28

Stats.

Needs a republic fleet TP. Its way overtanked and you can maximise your dps more with tp.(Before you say no you cant, you can, I use one and you can one volley frigs.)Also if your pimping the entire ship (Faction launchers included), then at least get T2 Rigs, kinda silly lets be honest.
Jack Miton
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Reputation: 245

So you want TPs on this.. there is no need for them O.o In L4 i can hit everything perfectly fine with this.
Go ahead and post your own fit with TPs ^^

you cant hit frigs for sh*t.
Drazer
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Reputation: 2

My heavies put down frigs in 1 volley... *shrug*
Raisin Biscuit
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Reputation: 510

2 tp's is the baseline for lvl 4 ham tengus.

I'm not sure if there has been a change to rigors, but i'm pretty sure they only work on guided missiles.

nvm. just read khaines post.
Ghalyen
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Reputation: 1713

If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.
Raisin Biscuit
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Reputation: 510

If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.

ever tried to kill elite frigs without TP's?
Ghalyen
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Reputation: 1713

If the fit has Rigors/Flares, TPs are not needed.

Even if you wanted to go out on a limb, losing the TPs and NOT having rigors and flares is still better than having the TPs. The cycle time/CD on TPs sucks. Plain and simple. You will do more DPS by not having TPs and throwing the extra volley at the target than trying to apply your TP to every mob.

You really do need to put some explosion velocity/radius rigs on this, but I do agree that the target painters are a waste, as everyone who has flown this ship should.

ever tried to kill elite frigs without TP's?

yes, takes 2-3 more volleys, which isnt very long. It is shorter than the cycle time on a target painer. The only thing that gets slightly annoying without one is spider drones.
 
Dr.Gnorf
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Reputation: 0

This loadout has been updated

* T2 Launchers.
* Republic Fleet Afterburner > To solve the Powergrid issue.
* T2 Rigs
* Now with a Flare Rig.
* Scourge Rage Missiles.
* Gist X-Type Hardeners.
* EFT-Screenshot.
* Still no Targetpainters, because i totaly agree with Ghalyen.
Seranova Farreach
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Reputation: 21

+1 . firstly i run something similar, just normal  tengu but with HAMs. fit and info below.

[Tengu, HAMgu]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

with my skills and just the 3% hardwires AM-703 GP-803 TN-903 RL-1003 and perfect range skills i find the 20min cap is more then enough and it effectivly hits frigs nice and hard enough for them to not be a threat. oh and dont whine about "overtanked" i only need to pulse the booster not cap stable 2 invuls is enough for most missions tho heavy EM ones need EM+invul or angel EXP + invul. one thing i may look at is better AB.
ranges. jav 45km about 680 dps t1 30km 680ish here too rage 25km 910+ (OH 1060+) . currently doing real world testing (you jelly eft warriors? *trollface* )

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2278848&#post2278848

as for this fit the OP posted i cant help but think 2 boost amps with small booster and 2 mission spesific would be better.
Dr.Gnorf
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@ Seranova Farreach: [It's totaly Overtanked whine here] Tengu = Small Shield Booster(!). I also don't like the Cap-Rigs. And someone will tell you that you need TPs.. and he is right, because there are no rigs to compensate.
Seranova Farreach
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Reputation: 21

if you havnt already been ingame youll find that HAMs are actually as good if not better for hitting smaller targets and NO in my REAL mission tests i have not needed a damn TP. and as for my tank i PULSE its no different then BCs/ BSs with XL boosters. oh and missle skills effect hams better now anyway, so stop beign a keyboard warrior and log in and see for yourself. do not open your mouth till you see the differances for yourself.
Seranova Farreach
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ps i get 928 dps with rage. for frits i use t1 (hits em good) rage for everythign else.

oh and if you didnt notise i was actually in support of your fit.
Dr.Gnorf
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log in and see for yourself. do not open your mouth till you see the differances for yourself.

No thanks, i'm happy with my fit.. and i still don't like the Cap Rigs. Ans yes i know that you pule your SB, if u use a Small one u don't need the Cap Rigs. This discussion has nothing to do with your support for my fit. Thank you anyway.

And how can u make more dmg with rages ? there are no other dmg mods in your fit.
Khaine
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Reputation: 1136

This loadout has been updated

* EFT-Screenshot.
* Still no Targetpainters, because i totaly agree with Ghalyen.

Did you READ the text below the upload picture button? They are specifically NOT for fitting window screenshots, they are for vanity shots (pictures of the ship).

Okay, listen buddy. My L4 HAM tengu has no boost amp, and only 2 hardeners with an AB and same shield booster. I can tank EVERY level 4 mission, AE bonus room included. You are overtanked and are wasting w2 (TWO) midslots for that.

Fit either 1x Fed Navy web, 1x target painter(meta 4) or 2x painters.

Your Tengu is epically overtanked. You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency, now you have T2 launchers and are going to change the final BCU to T2 (Loss of 8 paper DPS) your fit is heap enough not to need to survive suicide ganks.

You're wrong about the TP's/Webs. Seriously. You need to be almost in web range before firing HAMs anyway, and TP's GREATLY improve your DPS against smaller craft. 1 of each or 2x TP's will lower your mission time significantly, meaning more isk/Lp per hour.
Dr.Gnorf
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You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.
Khaine
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Reputation: 1136

You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.

You post fits here to get advice and criticism. Listen to us, you'll be better off. We're not saying it t0o insult you or your fit. We WERE trying to help you.... Now, your attitude just deserves trolling and -1's.
Ceno
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Reputation: 1748

in my REAL mission tests i have not needed a damn TP.
Well, you don't NEED one...

...it doesn't hurt, though. :(

You are LOSING DPS simply because you're not fitting this shipo to maximise efficiency

Deal with it, and go away with your TPs. btw. i'm happy with the CNBCUs.

You post fits here to get advice and criticism. Listen to us, you'll be better off. We're not saying it t0o insult you or your fit. We WERE trying to help you.... Now, your attitude just deserves trolling and -1's.
Gnorf, while Khaine seems like a bit of an ass, he is correct. The purpose of this website is entirely for gathering constructive criticism. And, indeed, I must agree with the regime of "get some TPs on dis Tengu bro"
Dr.Gnorf
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This loadout has been updated

Now with
* Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
* Republic Fleet Target Painter
* Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
* T1 Scourge Missiles
* Nanites

i wantet to delete the screenshot but there is no option to do so.
EDIT: i uploadet another image because I thought it would overwrite the old one.. now there are two images O.o

The purpose of this website is entirely for gathering constructive criticism.

Sorry all for my "obstinacy" (is that the word ? sorry i'm german).
And thanks for the feedback..

-
Gnorf.
Khaine
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Reputation: 1136

This loadout has been updated

Now with
* Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
* Republic Fleet Target Painter
* Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
* T1 Scourge Missiles
* Nanites
Sorry all for my "obstinacy" (is that the word ? sorry i'm german).
And thanks for the feedback..

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Gnorf.

What I don't understand is why you argued with us, when I stated why you should be putting painters or webs on there. We gave sound reasoning.

Also, try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.
Dr.Gnorf
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try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.

Pithum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 40,6 % resis @ 40 GJ activation cost > 6m 59s
Gistum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 37,5 % resis @ 32 GJ activation cost > 8m 42s

Hard to say which one is better. 'More tank' or 'more tank time'
I think you only need the shield tank for damage peaks.. so i think the Pithum is better.
but the Pithum is more expensive.
Khaine
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Reputation: 1136

try a Gist C-type adaptive invuln, might help the cap life a bit, but Pith C-type is good too.

Pithum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 40,6 % resis @ 40 GJ activation cost > 6m 59s
Gistum C-Type Invulnabilitys have 37,5 % resis @ 32 GJ activation cost > 8m 42s

Hard to say which one is better. 'More tank' or 'more tank time'
I think you only need the shield tank for damage peaks.. so i think the Pithum is better.
but the Pithum is more expensive.

Yeah. I understand. I run with capacitor implants in 6 and 8, so am perfectly stable with Pith.

Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu

Spaceship
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Modulename
This is my first fit. so please have mercy.

Stats @ All 5
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Cap stable without shield booster at________69%
Cap with everything runing________________6m 59s
Effective HP___________________________30,177
DPS with scourge rage___________________894 @ max 32,7 km
DPS with scourge javelin___________________628 @ max 54,7 km
DPS with scourge T1_____________________698 @ max 36,5 km
Speed without afterburner________________156 m/s
Speed with afterburner___________________661 m/s

Shield resistance EM___________________75,3%
Shield resistance Thermal_______________88,1%
Shield resistance kinetic________________82,2%
Shield resistance explosive_____________70,3%
Shield effective HP____________________21695

Please keep in mind to change the hardener for missions.

The Fitting Screenshot below is outdated!

Targeting

Maximum targets 5
Maximum targeting range 117.1875 km
Scan resolution 293.75
Sensor strength 35 0 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 647.13
Inertia modifier 0.26123
Signature radius 150 m
Cargo capacity 0 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 2070.31 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 5 minutes 18 seconds
Powergrid 675.2 / 750MW
CPU 493 / 635 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 4562.5
Shield recharge time 20 minutes 22 seconds
Shield resistances 75.26% 70.31% 82.19% 88.13%

Armor

Armor hit points 3062.5
Armor resistances 50% 10% 62.5% 86.25%

Structure

Structure hit points 2076.25
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 0 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 0 m3
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[Tengu, Retribution L4 HAM-Tengu ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Item Quantity Value
Tengu 1 159,900,000
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile 1 82
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1 258,500,000
Domination 10MN Afterburner 1 5,388,110
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 4 87,999,000
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier 1 59,784,000
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster 1 112,200,000
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field 1 25,090,000
Scourge Heavy Assault Missile 1 51
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II 6 999,980
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node 1 45,000,000
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 1 40,974,000
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 44,000,000
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay 1 58,144,000
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 1 40,997,700
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II 1 15,150,000
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II 1 14,818,700
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II 1 14,893,900
Republic Fleet Target Painter 1 22,500,000
Total 1,275,336,423
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