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Khaine
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Gila: Passive PVE

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Empty High Slot
Empty High Slot
Empty High Slot

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Em Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Core Defense Field Purger II
Core Defense Field Purger II
Core Defense Field Purger II

Same DPS as yours, cap stable (66%)
EM/Therm tank of 285 (Your lowest) easily enough as a cruiser sized hull, drop


 your sentries, immediately target frigs (When they're transversal is 0 and burning right at you) 1-shot them out of the sky so you never even get tackled, then just kill things from smallest to largest. you'll be fine.

Alternatively, while keeping >700 DPS using Gardes and active tanking it, the best I can do without spending a shit-tonne is 299 DPS tank, that 14 DPS difference is not worth it for having to manage capacitor etc.
Maldad Asesino
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Gila: Passive PVE

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Empty High Slot
Empty High Slot
Empty High Slot

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Em Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Core Defense Field Purger II
Core Defense Field Purger II
Core Defense Field Purger II

Same DPS as yours, cap stable (66%)
EM/Therm tank of 285 (Your lowest) easily enough as a cruiser sized hull, drop


 your sentries, immediately target frigs (When they're transversal is 0 and burning right at you) 1-shot them out of the sky so you never even get tackled, then just kill things from smallest to largest. you'll be fine.

Alternatively, while keeping >700 DPS using Gardes and active tanking it, the best I can do without spending a shit-tonne is 299 DPS tank, that 14 DPS difference is not worth it for having to manage capacitor etc.

Awesome idea man.
I never thought about passive tanking without shield power relays.

You lose some range on the sentries but don't have to worry about cap at all.
Im gonna play around with this idea and maybe pimp it a bit.

I really like the 4 DDA's in the lows man.
Theyre like mandatory xD
Maldad Asesino
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Ugh for some reason it's not letting me update the modules.

Edit: There we go!
Khaine
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Thanks to those invulnerability fields (Giving you 50 LESS tank at em/thermal than my mission specific set up) are also blowing your budget out of proportion.

Seriously, mission specific tank it! I can say though, that the AB is alright, your tank drops significantly, but it still has the same DPS tank as my mission spec Tengu. So it'll be fine (Sig is only 20m larger).

But I can't stress this enough. MISSION SPEC TANK IT and don't wasting a billion on unneeded modules.
Maldad Asesino
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Thanks to those invulnerability fields (Giving you 50 LESS tank at em/thermal than my mission specific set up) are also blowing your budget out of proportion.

Seriously, mission specific tank it! I can say though, that the AB is alright, your tank drops significantly, but it still has the same DPS tank as my mission spec Tengu. So it'll be fine (Sig is only 20m larger).

But I can't stress this enough. MISSION SPEC TANK IT and don't wasting a billion on unneeded modules.

I just can't give up the afterburner man.  It adds so much tank.
It also raises isk per hour.  No need to scoop drones and slowboat to that gate 60km away.

So that effectively gives me 2 slots for hardeners.

I'm assuming that when youre insisting on mission spec hardeners you're talking about Sansha, which you're weakest against.

With the 2 invulns you're tanking 246dps. PLENTY of tank.
With best faction hardeners for EM/Therm you're tanking 211dps.

Even with faction mission spec hardeners, your tank is less than it would be with the 2 invulns.

With this fit you'll never have to change hardeners regardless of what mission you're running which is worth the price of the invulns for me anyway. 

Also it has enough EHP to not get suicide ganked.
48k EHP

Anyway, Khaine this are my thoughts and why it's fit as it is.

Haellena
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Seriously, mission specific tank it!
It's a passive tank. That spells "lazy town" all over.

That said, replace one DDA for an SPR for moar tank. That 4th mod isn't doing much, anyway.
Maldad Asesino
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Maldad Asesino
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Seriously, mission specific tank it!
It's a passive tank. That spells "lazy town" all over.

That said, replace one DDA for an SPR for moar tank. That 4th mod isn't doing much, anyway.

Good Idea!  About 90more dps tank @ a loss of 40dps from the drones.  I'll leave this up to personal preference.  Also important to not that it drops the cap from stable to 1hr 18min.

Added the suggestion in *OPTIONAL*


Asghaad
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ahem, its cruiser ffs, even shieldtanked sig is around +-220, thats equal to Fury loaded tengu, and what tengu excels at ? SPEEDTANK = AB is needed.
with active tank and 150m sig its even more significant :)

[Gila, SC-PCrDBAST1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Small 'Arup' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5


729 dps with gardes, 638 with Bouncers
297 crapstable angel tank at 150m sig at 584 m/s speed

cheap as hell - EFT states price at 656 mil


PS: IShtar can be fit in same way with tank switched to kin/th. It can have 438 kin/th tank (145m sig + 639 m/s speed) at 729 dps with gardes
Haellena
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Good Idea!  About 90more dps tank @ a loss of 40dps from the drones.  I'll leave this up to personal preference.  Also important to not that it drops the cap from stable to 1hr 18min.
Idk how to actually say this... That's pretty much stable in any PvE scenario. If you wander around for more than half an hour, you're definitely doing it wrong. Exceptions to this might be l4 Blockades or other harder 1-room missions. Considering you're using this for lower levels (possibly 3's), 1h is very much stable.
Asghaad
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Good Idea!  About 90more dps tank @ a loss of 40dps from the drones.  I'll leave this up to personal preference.  Also important to not that it drops the cap from stable to 1hr 18min.
Idk how to actually say this... That's pretty much stable in any PvE scenario. If you wander around for more than half an hour, you're definitely doing it wrong. Exceptions to this might be l4 Blockades or other harder 1-room missions. Considering you're using this for lower levels (possibly 3's), 1h is very much stable.

or fix it with cap recharge and cap amount implants  :)
Maldad Asesino
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Asghaad this one is 347 tank vs angels :D

And implants... you could really spruce up your tank even more with those!

Slot 6: E0-605 (capacitor recharge +5%)
Slot 7: SM-705 (shield capacity +5%)
Slot 9: SP-905 (shield recharge +5%)

Wish there were some DRONE implants!

Ishtar is good for guristas for sure, but this thing can do it all.
I used an Ishtar until this, but struggled with cpu issues, I have to have my 4x DDA's

What's a dood gotta do to get some +1 Love? :D
Maldad Asesino
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ahem, its cruiser ffs, even shieldtanked sig is around +-220, thats equal to Fury loaded tengu, and what tengu excels at ? SPEEDTANK = AB is needed.
with active tank and 150m sig its even more significant :)

[Gila, SC-PCrDBAST1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Small 'Arup' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5


729 dps with gardes, 638 with Bouncers
297 crapstable angel tank at 150m sig at 584 m/s speed

cheap as hell - EFT states price at 656 mil


PS: IShtar can be fit in same way with tank switched to kin/th. It can have 438 kin/th tank (145m sig + 639 m/s speed) at 729 dps with gardes


Dude if you could somehow make this work with 2x Omnidirectionals... I'd love you forever.  Here's the catch.  Gotta keep the 4x DDA's.
Asghaad
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for Gila - drop SBA - tank drops to 232 angel - still more than enough with that speed tank i think, just dont get webbed :)

Ish dont have that luxury unfortunately, 1 omni is most you can get there :)

PS: i always post stats without implants, there is always room for improvement by Crystal set :) (329 angel tank with crystal set, 280 with low grade crystal - both with that second omni of course :) )
Khaine
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Asghaad this one is 347 tank vs angels :D

And implants... you could really spruce up your tank even more with those!

Slot 6: E0-605 (capacitor recharge +5%)
Slot 7: SM-705 (shield capacity +5%)
Slot 9: SP-905 (shield recharge +5%)

Wish there were some DRONE implants!

Ishtar is good for guristas for sure, but this thing can do it all.
I used an Ishtar until this, but struggled with cpu issues, I have to have my 4x DDA's

What's a dood gotta do to get some +1 Love? :D

Honestly, I don't want to +1 simply because the price tag is ridiculously high.
Raisin Biscuit
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I would say that's a reasonable price tag for those stats on a ratting cruiser.

also flying a gila is like teenage sex: Everyone claims they're flying it, though few actually are. The ones that are, are flying it badly.

Gonna +1. I like this.
Maldad Asesino
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Total cost for ship and fit would be just under a bil, which is kinda high but for the performance you get...  It's amazing!

That heavy missile nerf is right around the corner. 

This thing is getting a nice damage buff come winter and is  already doing more dps than a tengu while tanking just as well..  and doesn't even use ammo except for the odd rocket volley every now and then. 

All the while happily tractoring and salvaging those large wrecks!
Maldad Asesino
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I would say that's a reasonable price tag for those stats on a ratting cruiser.

also flying a gila is like teenage sex: Everyone claims they're flying it, though few actually are. The ones that are, are flying it badly.

Gonna +1. I like this.

Thanks man! :)
Mike712
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That's a pretty cool gila.
Khaine
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Total cost for ship and fit would be just under a bil, which is kinda high but for the performance you get...  It's amazing!

That heavy missile nerf is right around the corner. 

This thing is getting a nice damage buff come winter and is  already doing more dps than a tengu while tanking just as well..  and doesn't even use ammo except for the odd rocket volley every now and then. 

All the while happily tractoring and salvaging those large wrecks!

Those invulns together are a billion.
Shingorash
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Those invulns together are a billion.

Whats your point?
Khaine
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Those invulns together are a billion.

Whats your point?

The fact in my quote he claims it's all under a billion. Else why would I quote him?
Maldad Asesino
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The invulns are 370m each xD

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Haellena
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The fact in my quote he claims it's all under a billion. Else why would I quote him?
Dread Guristas are under 4-500mill each, Khainy. It's the CN ones that are half a bill.
Keo
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This vs a Tengu... HMs are getting hit with the nerf bat while drones are getting buffed. Might be worth making the switch. Not sure how the new AI will affect drones tho.

This has great numbers for the price and more so for such a low skill req ship. You could easily spend as much on a Tengu or a CNR and not do much better.

+1
Maldad Asesino
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This vs a Tengu... HMs are getting hit with the nerf bat while drones are getting buffed. Might be worth making the switch. Not sure how the new AI will affect drones tho.

This has great numbers for the price and more so for such a low skill req ship. You could easily spend as much on a Tengu or a CNR and not do much better.

+1

My thoughts exactly man!
Thanks for the +1
benscho
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somehow crazy people like a gila ? :D
Maldad Asesino
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This loadout has been updated
Shingorash
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Those invulns together are a billion.

Whats your point?

The fact in my quote he claims it's all under a billion. Else why would I quote him?

Your being pedantic... Just saying...

Fit is good btw, love it...
Maldad Asesino
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Thanks for the +1's guys!
icows
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the think about gila is it doesnt have enough mid to give u 2-3 ominidirectional  it can do easy l4 no problem. but for big missions where you need to kill the dps before they are near u . you might be overwelmed cuz the tracking of the sentry isnt great.
Raisin Biscuit
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the think about gila is it doesnt have enough mid to give u 2-3 ominidirectional  it can do easy l4 no problem. but for big missions where you need to kill the dps before they are near u . you might be overwelmed cuz the tracking of the sentry isnt great.

It's webbing frigates that are the problem.
Maldad Asesino
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the think about gila is it doesnt have enough mid to give u 2-3 ominidirectional  it can do easy l4 no problem. but for big missions where you need to kill the dps before they are near u . you might be overwelmed cuz the tracking of the sentry isnt great.

It's webbing frigates that are the problem.

Actually, the tracking is great! I just did the dread pirate without ever even moving my ship.

Webbing frigates are the first thing to pop, I guess you're not familiar with the "instant on" dmg that sentries offer?
Bearak
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Those invulns together are a billion.

Whats your point?

The fact in my quote he claims it's all under a billion. Else why would I quote him?

Your being pedantic... Just saying...

Fit is good btw, love it...

The fact that you'd use a word like "pedantic" more or less correctly, and then use "your" instead of "you're" is just all kinds of ironic fail.  Just saying...
sysape
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Your being pedantic... Just saying...

Fit is good btw, love it...

The fact that you'd use a word like "pedantic" more or less correctly, and then use "your" instead of "you're" is just all kinds of ironic fail.  Just saying...

He used the actual word pedantic, not one like it.

If we're being pedantic about failing irony.

Gila: 900dps PVE Monster!

Maldad Asesino's Gila built 2012-10-24

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Drone Link Augmentor II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
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IMPROVED!
Now passive tanked & Cap Stable!

*OPTIONAL*
Drop 4th Drone Damage Amp [-40 drone dps] for a shield Power Relay for about +90dps tanked.  This will drop cap stability to a little over an hour, which is still fine for missions.  Can be stable again with a cap implant.

Stats:
Updated!

-Tank-

291[366] Omni
246[309] Lowest [vs Sansha]

Resists |EM 68|K 71|EX 84|T 75|

-DPS-

Ogres | 839!
Gardes | 800 @ 38+12
Bouncers | 700 @ 78+42

Rockets | 55 @ 10
^ For IF an odd frig manages to get to you, no need to bring out the warriors unless you're in a bind and scrammed.

Ogres+Rockets and you're doing 900dps.

Speed
584[773] sig/225


Update: Drone Link Augmentor is mandatory.  No longer salvages, Caldari extenders for CPU.
Update2: THE DRONE DAMAGE AMP BUFF IS LIVE AND THIS THING IS DOING 840dps with JUST DRONES!

Update: Recommended Implants to improve performance:
Slot 7: SM-705 (shield capacity +5%)
Slot 8: LT-805 (targeting range +5%)
Slot 9: SP-905 (shield recharge +5%)

Please post ideas for improvements!

Targeting

Maximum targets 7
Maximum targeting range 72.5 km
Scan resolution 356.25
Sensor strength 22 0 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 694.52
Inertia modifier 0.4455
Signature radius 219.74 m
Cargo capacity 440 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 1750 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 6 minutes 7 seconds
Powergrid 328.3 / 837.5MW
CPU 418.25 / 500 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 10562.5
Shield recharge time 6 minutes 35 seconds
Shield resistances 57.87% 78.93% 74.72% 66.3%

Armor

Armor hit points 2750
Armor resistances 50% 10% 25% 45%

Structure

Structure hit points 3112.5
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 20 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 100 m3
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[Gila, Gila: 900dps PVE Monster!]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Hobgoblin II
Warrior II
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I
Garde II
Bouncer II
Item Quantity Value
Gila 1 260,200,000
Hobgoblin II 1 414,715
Warrior II 1 419,835
Drone Damage Amplifier II 4 989,949
Rocket Launcher II 3 413,978
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field 2 187,411,000
Domination 10MN Afterburner 1 17,500,000
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I 1 167,498
Small Tractor Beam I 1 1,500,000
Drone Link Augmentor II 1 1,090,200
Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 1 608
Garde II 1 1,144,760
Bouncer II 1 1,300,000
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II 3 25,791,000
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender 2 23,707,000
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link 1 46,250,000
Total 834,798,346
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