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• RamblinRichard

  April 27, 2012, 12:53:50 pm

  
  

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  hmmmm... imo, you should fit damage specific, currently your in the territory where its possible you'll be sucide ganked, just using damage specfic T2s will do the job well enough.
  
  Again, I've said this before I belive, <3 your avatar and username ^^
• Mr. British

  April 27, 2012, 01:00:40 pm

  
  

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• ThE_AthEiiSt

  April 27, 2012, 01:03:55 pm

  
  

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  Deadspace invuln for tanking highsec plexes that you already have natural resists for? Brilliant.
• Dexter_Xioo

  April 27, 2012, 01:04:45 pm

  
  

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  Complex/Faction invuls are not worth what extra stats they give you, just adds to the price tag, I would also drop 2 CNBCU's for 2 T2 standards because of extra isk not needed and stacking stuff.
• Labceh

  April 27, 2012, 01:17:33 pm

  
  

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  Why are you using that for high sec plexes? It's a major overkill
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 27, 2012, 01:27:47 pm

  
  

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  you know what you're doing so i won't -1 but this is overtanked. tengu only needs 1 specific harden, 1 AB and 1 small booster for PvE tank. every other slot should be dps (for the mid slots this = 2 TPs) and then something else for anti-gank as a precaution (EM amp)
  
  2 flares 1 rigor > 2 rigors 1 flare when you have 2 TPs
  this is better
  
  
• Decon Novalis

  April 27, 2012, 01:30:21 pm

  
  

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  already been posted
• Grimme_Necrofiend

  April 27, 2012, 01:40:44 pm

  
  

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  Good damage
  Painter and prop mod
  Good applied damage
  
  8/10
  
  Would bang.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 27, 2012, 01:41:53 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:40:44 pm

  Good damage
  Painter and prop mod
  Good applied damage
  
  8/10
  
  Would bang.
  

  Fit I linked has just as good on paper damage, has a prop mod and double the painters, applies damage better, applies just about full damage to everything, has gank protection too
  
  +1 it
• RamblinRichard

  April 27, 2012, 01:43:08 pm

  
  

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  I'm glad grimmie realised that this guy has gone for full dps, thats gotta count for something. +1
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 27, 2012, 01:43:50 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: RamblinRichard on April 27, 2012, 01:43:08 pm

  I'm glad grimmie realised that this guy has gone for full dps, thats gotta count for something. +1
  

  Could still squeeze more out of it with 2 flares/1 rigor and a second TP
• Grimme_Necrofiend

  April 27, 2012, 01:53:24 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 27, 2012, 01:41:53 pm

  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:40:44 pm

  Good damage
  Painter and prop mod
  Good applied damage
  
  8/10
  
  Would bang.
  

  Fit I linked has just as good on paper damage, has a prop mod and double the painters, applies damage better, applies just about full damage to everything, has gank protection too
  
  +1 it
  

  
  But that requires me to make additional mouseclicks. I am not a being of pure energy, you know?
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 27, 2012, 01:55:09 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:53:24 pm

  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 27, 2012, 01:41:53 pm

  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:40:44 pm

  Good damage
  Painter and prop mod
  Good applied damage
  
  8/10
  
  Would bang.
  

  Fit I linked has just as good on paper damage, has a prop mod and double the painters, applies damage better, applies just about full damage to everything, has gank protection too
  
  +1 it
  

  
  But that requires me to make additional mouseclicks. I am not a being of pure energy, you know?
  

  A few extra mouseclicks won't hurt you. There's no problem when it comes to needing to approach everything because you have HAMs fitted on your tengu
  
  Still, I guess ou get some time to recover from that massive expenditure of energy and catch your breath while you wait to get close enough to start firing ze missiles
• Boomrider

  April 27, 2012, 02:42:15 pm

  
  

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  Serious overkill is serious :=) I'm running 6/10's and occasional 8/10's in a frigging 100mn ab/t2 MSB without a hitch, and am completely puzzled why all this pimp for a frigging highsec where the deadliest combat site is 4/10...
• Grimme_Necrofiend

  April 27, 2012, 03:13:46 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 27, 2012, 01:55:09 pm

  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:53:24 pm

  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 27, 2012, 01:41:53 pm

  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 01:40:44 pm

  Good damage
  Painter and prop mod
  Good applied damage
  
  8/10
  
  Would bang.
  

  Fit I linked has just as good on paper damage, has a prop mod and double the painters, applies damage better, applies just about full damage to everything, has gank protection too
  
  +1 it
  

  
  But that requires me to make additional mouseclicks. I am not a being of pure energy, you know?
  

  A few extra mouseclicks won't hurt you. There's no problem when it comes to needing to approach everything because you have HAMs fitted on your tengu
  
  Still, I guess ou get some time to recover from that massive expenditure of energy and catch your breath while you wait to get close enough to start firing ze missiles
  

  
  HAMs are baws. You only need 40KM range, especially if you've got an AB fitted......For like 95% of missions anyway. I remember seeing your fit tbh. I liked it, but there were a few things I was unsure about:
  
  - Would a Web not be more useful than the second TP?
  - I'm not a fan of omni-tanking.
  - Passive shield resistance mods. Why bother? Just go active. You'll be less cap stable, but you're already at 20M anyway, which - as you say yourself - is "pretty much cap stable anyway."
  
  +1 anyway because you asked nicely and I'm off my face on Gin.
• Lee Janssen

  April 27, 2012, 10:54:09 pm

  
  

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  You're right about 1 thing, the carebear will die =P
  
  ..Don't forget those hards when ya undock matey, i likez me a challenge!
• Anabaric

  April 28, 2012, 12:38:43 am

  
  

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  He did say hi-sec plex's didn't he?  /facepalm
  
  Overpriced/overtanked/gank bait
  
  Refit to all T2, and fly a drake? You will save about 1.2b in isk, admittedly your mission time will probably increase by about 5% per site...
  
  Other than what you plan to use it for doesn't actually look that bad as tengu fits go, its just that other much cheaper fits, and hulls can do the same sites for less than 10% of the exposure.
  
  +/- No rating.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 01:46:11 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 27, 2012, 03:13:46 pm

  - Would a Web not be more useful than the second TP?

  Webs are only useful when something gets within 15k. While doing nearly 700m/s in my tengu around a gate, i found things dont get close that often because they can't really keep up. Also, elite cruisers don't get close enough to use the web on. 2 TPs gives you overall more effectiveness against both.
  

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  - I'm not a fan of omni-tanking.

  My fit specific tanks.
  

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  - Passive shield resistance mods. Why bother? Just go active. You'll be less cap stable, but you're already at 20M anyway, which - as you say yourself - is "pretty much cap stable anyway."

  Adding an active hardener takes the cap down from 20m to 6m which I'm not a fan of. Also, I know I would forget to turn it on every time I undock, so I just leave the passive on there and not worry about it.
  
  

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  +1 anyway because you asked nicely and I'm off my face on Gin.
  

  Ta.
• Widdershins

  April 28, 2012, 02:25:08 am

  
  

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  Well it has gotta have great applied damage, but you're gonna have a bad day fitting a specific tank like that when someone wants to gank you.
• RamblinRichard

  April 28, 2012, 02:28:22 am

  
  

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  Note: before you guys got here, he had Two deadspace invulns, he only seemed to change one of them for some reason.
  
  Tank needs to be cheaper.
• Mr. British

  April 28, 2012, 02:39:05 am

  
  

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• Serendipity

  April 28, 2012, 02:44:13 am

  
  

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  Drop 1 CN BCU for a t2, saves you a lot of isk for not much reduction in paper/effective dps.
• RamblinRichard

  April 28, 2012, 02:45:01 am

  
  

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  Shield boost amplifer should be T2, then its pretty good.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 03:06:29 am

  
  

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  Quote from: RamblinRichard on April 28, 2012, 02:45:01 am

  Shield boost amplifer should be T2, then its pretty good.
  

  High sec tengu does not need an SBA or a medium booster for that matter. for anything in hi-sec, a pithi small, one specific resist, a 10MN AB and an EM amp for anti-gank are ALL YOU EVER NEED for tank
  
  anything more is just wasting cash, slots and CPU/PG
• RamblinRichard

  April 28, 2012, 03:38:10 am

  
  

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  eh, you may be right, I've never ran a high sec site before tbh.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 03:43:48 am

  
  

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  the highest high sec site is a 4/10, you can run that in a drake. nothing in high sec is enough of a threat to justify any more tank on a tengu than an AB, a deadspace small booster and a specific hardener. use the EM amp to give some protection against tornado douches and as long as you don't park yourself up outside a station with an excessive amount of shiny stuff or aggro 10 webbers at once you're pretty safe
• Widdershins

  April 28, 2012, 03:57:12 am

  
  

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  I can speak from experience in saying that 4/10s can get pretty mean.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 04:01:34 am

  
  

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  http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Guristas_Scout_Outpost
  
  That's a typical 4/10. A tengu with a small booster, a kin resist and an afterburner can absolutely melt through that no problem. If it goes to low sec i would rather take my drake than a pimped up pve tengu anyway for obvious reasons.
• Keo

  April 28, 2012, 04:43:12 am

  
  

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  Looks....like a Tengu. For 4/10s you could just T2 the whole thing except AB & small pith booster.
  
  Un-faction what you can if you're worried about ganked and hit the AB as you undock.
• hustleman

  April 28, 2012, 06:56:44 am

  
  

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  target painter is a waist. totally not needed as you really wont get any benefit from it since you're already rigor'd out to the max. trust me i've tested mine a year ago and i only use domination TPs (da best).
  
  now you can actually improve your tank, give yourself a bit more cap and still have room for a utility mid when needed (like eccm against guristas). and should you find yourself doing L4 blood/sansha it'll even give you a much better tank for dealing with that as well.
  
  -use 2 shield boost amplifiers (blood/sansha use 2 EM type)
  -use 1 invul.
  -when doing guristas drop invul for eccm to cut down on the nuisance of being jammed.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 08:07:44 am

  
  

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  Quote from: hustleman on April 28, 2012, 06:56:44 am

  target painter is a waist. totally not needed as you really wont get any benefit from it since you're already rigor'd out to the max. trust me i've tested mine a year ago and i only use domination TPs (da best).
  
  now you can actually improve your tank, give yourself a bit more cap and still have room for a utility mid when needed (like eccm against guristas). and should you find yourself doing L4 blood/sansha it'll even give you a much better tank for dealing with that as well.
  
  -use 2 shield boost amplifiers (blood/sansha use 2 EM type)
  -use 1 invul.
  -when doing guristas drop invul for eccm to cut down on the nuisance of being jammed.
  

  LOL this is horrific advice even from someone like you.
  
  'don't use target painters, use more tank'
  
  are you totally retarded? why would you add more tank and more cap stability to something which already is overtanked?
  
  with 2 rigors, explosion radius of fury missiles is 103.2
  
  You appear to have completely forgotten about elite frigates and elite cruisers. TPs are pretty much the only thing you could use (other than the very limited range webs) in a med slot to get more dps out of a tengu. seeing as TPs and rigors essentially do the same thing, switch a rigor for a flare (which a med slot module can't do) and then put TPs in the med slots. tengu is best with 2 TPs.
  
  i seriously don't understand you. the fit is overtanked and could get more dps with TPs so you suggest tanking it more and removing TPs.
  
  OP don't listen to this chump because he hasn't a clue.
• VeniVediVici Alto

  April 28, 2012, 08:26:47 am

  
  

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  Bollocks ! Kinda expensive governor!
• Grimme_Necrofiend

  April 28, 2012, 09:11:31 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 01:46:11 am

  STUFF
  

  
  Ceptors get close enough though, and the Web will serve you much, much better IF something gets close. The payoff from the second TP will be minimal due to all the stacking penalties. I dunno, I'd just rather have the Web. Gives it a bit more flexibility. Ah, was just a bit thrown off by the EM passive hardener. 6M's fine. And hahaha, I can appreciate that, but you shouldn't plan for your own fail! Just learn to turn the damn thing on in the first place.
  
  
• hustleman

  April 28, 2012, 09:40:27 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 08:07:44 am

  LOL this is horrific advice even from someone like you.
  
  'don't use target painters, use more tank'
  
  are you totally retarded? why would you add more tank and more cap stability to something which already is overtanked?
  
  with 2 rigors, explosion radius of fury missiles is 103.2
  
  You appear to have completely forgotten about elite frigates and elite cruisers. TPs are pretty much the only thing you could use (other than the very limited range webs) in a med slot to get more dps out of a tengu. seeing as TPs and rigors essentially do the same thing, switch a rigor for a flare (which a med slot module can't do) and then put TPs in the med slots. tengu is best with 2 TPs.
  
  i seriously don't understand you. the fit is overtanked and could get more dps with TPs so you suggest tanking it more and removing TPs.
  
  OP don't listen to this chump because he hasn't a clue.
  

  
  horrific? dude calm down it's just pixels LOL. this is funny to me because it's not just "wrong" or "incorrect" hell even "bad" advise, but rather WHOLLY :censored: IN SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING THIS IS HORRIFICALLY FAIL ADVISE I DON'T EVEN......lol
  
  but props to you bro it took allot for me to not spit coffee all over my pc. but anyhoo why is a little more cap a bad thing? why is a target painter so critical when the exp. radius is at 103? and yet even lower when using implants. i i'd like to think that if you're using such a ship you'd invest a little more into it performing as well as it possibly could with the use of missile hardwires. but meh to each there own i guess.
  
  am i really suggesting the increase of tank that much? does it really matter that much?
  
  TL;DR
  the sky really is falling so do only listen to bazzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*whew* as he is the clinics new bully lord and clearly i have no clue as to wtf i'm talking about.
  
  have a great weekend everybody o/
• RamblinRichard

  April 28, 2012, 09:43:07 am

  
  

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  Oh I do hate these kinda threads...
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 10:24:07 am

  
  

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  Quote from: hustleman on April 28, 2012, 09:40:27 am

  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 08:07:44 am

  LOL this is horrific advice even from someone like you.
  
  'don't use target painters, use more tank'
  
  are you totally retarded? why would you add more tank and more cap stability to something which already is overtanked?
  
  with 2 rigors, explosion radius of fury missiles is 103.2
  
  You appear to have completely forgotten about elite frigates and elite cruisers. TPs are pretty much the only thing you could use (other than the very limited range webs) in a med slot to get more dps out of a tengu. seeing as TPs and rigors essentially do the same thing, switch a rigor for a flare (which a med slot module can't do) and then put TPs in the med slots. tengu is best with 2 TPs.
  
  i seriously don't understand you. the fit is overtanked and could get more dps with TPs so you suggest tanking it more and removing TPs.
  
  OP don't listen to this chump because he hasn't a clue.
  

  
  horrific? dude calm down it's just pixels LOL. this is funny to me because it's not just "wrong" or "incorrect" hell even "bad" advise, but rather WHOLLY  IN SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING THIS IS HORRIFICALLY FAIL ADVISE I DON'T EVEN......lol
  
  but props to you bro it took allot for me to not spit coffee all over my pc. but anyhoo why is a little more cap a bad thing? why is a target painter so critical when the exp. radius is at 103? and yet even lower when using implants. i i'd like to think that if you're using such a ship you'd invest a little more into it performing as well as it possibly could with the use of missile hardwires. but meh to each there own i guess.
  
  am i really suggesting the increase of tank that much? does it really matter that much?
  
  TL;DR
  the sky really is falling so do only listen to bazzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*whew* as he is the clinics new bully lord and clearly i have no clue as to wtf i'm talking about.
  
  have a great weekend everybody o/
  

  if you post some stupid advice then i will call you out for being stupid and suggesting to increase the tank of an overtanked ship and decrease the dps is most definitely stupid. plus it's not the first time i've seen you post stupid stuff.
  
  'this ship has more than enough tank for ANYTHING it will encounter...lets nerf the dps and add more tank!'
  
  
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 10:27:33 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Grimme_Necrofiend on April 28, 2012, 09:11:31 am

  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 01:46:11 am

  STUFF
  

  
  Ceptors get close enough though, and the Web will serve you much, much better IF something gets close. The payoff from the second TP will be minimal due to all the stacking penalties. I dunno, I'd just rather have the Web. Gives it a bit more flexibility. Ah, was just a bit thrown off by the EM passive hardener. 6M's fine. And hahaha, I can appreciate that, but you shouldn't plan for your own fail! Just learn to turn the damn thing on in the first place.
  

  But you have to wait for them to get close anyway. I prefer to load up precisions/T1 as I enter a room with frigates and double TP and fire ze missiles instantly. On a HAM tengu i can definitely understand using a web but on a HML tengu where enemies are often 70k away and it only has an effect on frigates i don't see it as worth it because they only take like 3 volleys with 2 TP and T1 missiles anyway..adding a web doesn't save much time at all in terms of volleys you'll need to fire.
• hustleman

  April 28, 2012, 12:32:27 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 10:24:07 am

  if you post some stupid advice then i will call you out for being stupid and suggesting to increase the tank of an overtanked ship and decrease the dps is most definitely stupid. plus it's not the first time i've seen you post stupid stuff.
  
  'this ship has more than enough tank for ANYTHING it will encounter...lets nerf the dps and add more tank!'
  

  
  ya know it's interesting that you say that my suggestions/opinions on this matter is stupid, horrific or what have you when in this loadout of yours you were somewhat close to my suggestions: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/54031-Highly-Capable-L4-Tengu.html#msg748198
  
  and it's not a bad setup as those posts was leading you to believe either. and may i say you conducted yourself like a champ handling the criticism like a real pro. no counter insults and trying your damnedest to explain your position. i really like that bazzaaaaaaaa! wish i had commented on it back then. since you seem to know my posts then you know i wouldn't have trolled you over something as petty as cost. because isk means nothing to me right?
  
  and since you know my posts then you also know that i always err on the side of max dps and quality of it no matter the cost of isk right?
  
  as you should already know (or seem to know of me) then you should be able to see where i'm coming from since my caldari alt lives in amarr space. has been for a couple years. and since the tengu has "too much tank" for anything then how do you think this exact fit will fair in blockade L4 blood raiders? when even 2 of the nueting cruisers get close do you think this setup will still hold cap and keep tank so one would not have to warp out?
  
  how about that one blood raider complex in high sec were in the 2nd room you got quite a few nueting cruisers. tank still way too much? 
  
  my setup can go into any high sec empire and do any L4s and high sec sites scanned on the side. can you honestly say that this setup can do the same?
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 01:11:58 pm

  
  

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• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 01:13:27 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: hustleman on April 28, 2012, 12:32:27 pm

  as you should already know (or seem to know of me) then you should be able to see where i'm coming from since my caldari alt lives in amarr space. has been for a couple years. and since the tengu has "too much tank" for anything then how do you think this exact fit will fair in blockade L4 blood raiders? when even 2 of the nueting cruisers get close do you think this setup will still hold cap and keep tank so one would not have to warp out?
  
  how about that one blood raider complex in high sec were in the 2nd room you got quite a few nueting cruisers. tank still way too much?
  

  which is why you switch the resist to EM, so you have an EM resist and an EM amp and burn away so they can't get close enough to neut.
  
  but seeing as tengu gets good dps with kinetic missiles but only mediocre dps with other missiles then using a tengu in amarr space is kind of silly anyway because using a tengu vs blood raiders will be slower than a zealot or a navy armageddon or a legion or a similarly priced nightmare
  
  in the same way i would say using a nightmare over a tengu in caldari space is silly because in caldari space you fight mainly guristas and lasers are far less effective than tengu with kinetic missiles.
  
  TL;DR taking tengu to amarr space is silly because with EM missiles it only gets fairly meh dps and you would be better off using other ships
  
  does that answer your question
  
  not to mention i made that fit you linked like right after i got a tengu and tbh it wasn't very good and if there was a way to delete fits/if i knew how to, it would be gone instantly because it's bad. the fit i linked is far better and this isn't even theory crafting, it's just truth.
  
  Oh, and I forgot. If you turn both TPs off on my tengu, it's 55% stable. That gives 20%+ of buffer cap before you're unstable when being neuted.
• hustleman

  April 28, 2012, 01:57:21 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 01:13:27 pm

  which is why you switch the resist to EM, so you have an EM resist and an EM amp and burn away so they can't get close enough to neut.
  
  but seeing as tengu gets good dps with kinetic missiles but only mediocre dps with other missiles then using a tengu in amarr space is kind of silly anyway because using a tengu vs blood raiders will be slower than a zealot or a navy armageddon or a legion or a similarly priced nightmare
  
  in the same way i would say using a nightmare over a tengu in caldari space is silly because in caldari space you fight mainly guristas and lasers are far less effective than tengu with kinetic missiles.
  
  TL;DR taking tengu to amarr space is silly because with EM missiles it only gets fairly meh dps and you would be better off using other ships
  
  does that answer your question
  
  not to mention i made that fit you linked like right after i got a tengu and tbh it wasn't very good and if there was a way to delete fits/if i knew how to, it would be gone instantly because it's bad. the fit i linked is far better and this isn't even theory crafting, it's just truth.
  
  Oh, and I forgot. If you turn both TPs off on my tengu, it's 55% stable. That gives 20%+ of buffer cap before you're unstable when being neuted.
  

  
  why do you think it's silly to fly caldari in amarr space? it is advantageous to do so imho. allot less crowded and i still make top isk. and last i checked there's quite a few caldari ships out this way. and yes i know all about amarr ships as on my main it can use a paladin. but none of this is about other ships this is about the tengu.
  
  what you don't seem to get what i'm saying is this: the lack of using a TP doesn't effect (take away) from it's dps. this i know for myself. and making the tank more configure friendly isn't something that hurts, but rather make it usable anywhere if need be.
  
  and as for the link to your updated tengu yes it's better but 2 TPs isn't even needed. why did you not think more about what Keo posted about the chance base of using TPs vs. rigor rigs? or even test it as it seems you didn't imo? look, just test it for yourself! go on SiSi and swap to 2-T2 rigor rigs and 1-T2 flare and see what the difference is with that current setup is. so why use TPs if you don't have to?
  
  and another thing about TPs is this: people gripe about using a torp golem partly because the cycle use of TPs. it's annoying as hell and why use them if you don't have to? so with the right rigs and using heavy missiles why would you use them on a tengu if you really don't have to?
  
  look, i'm not trying to bash you as you did me. i'm just trying to help. i've enjoyed this little debate and will end my part here. good day to you!
• Keo

  April 28, 2012, 02:03:59 pm

  
  

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  I feel like I've seen this all before but where....
  
  ...oh yeah in just about every other Tengu thread where people argue about the mid slots.
  
  I agree with Hustle on this one. I stopped using my TPs a long time ago because I'm lazy and they just don't give me that much more. I have 2 boost amps and a stupidly large tank and I still go through missions just as fast still pulsing the booster even tho I'm about 50% stable. This fit will work as will all the other similar Gu fits. In fact PvE wise this ship is now so standard (like the Drake) that it just comes down to how you fly it.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

  April 28, 2012, 02:29:04 pm

  
  

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  why do you think it's silly to fly caldari in amarr space? it is advantageous to do so imho. allot less crowded and i still make top isk. and last i checked there's quite a few caldari ships out this way. and yes i know all about amarr ships as on my main it can use a paladin. but none of this is about other ships this is about the tengu.

  I don't think it's silly to fly all caldari in amarr space. Golem for example in amarr space is fine. The problem is that the tengu gets decent dps with kinetic missiles but when using other missiles to fight other rats such as EM for blood raiders the dps is nothing to write home about and you would be far better off with something else.
  
  

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  what you don't seem to get what i'm saying is this: the lack of using a TP doesn't effect (take away) from it's dps. this i know for myself. and making the tank more configure friendly isn't something that hurts, but rather make it usable anywhere if need be.

  Ummm...not against BCs or BSs but against frigates and elite cruisers it helps significantly.
  
  

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  and as for the link to your updated tengu yes it's better but 2 TPs isn't even needed. why did you not think more about what Keo posted about the chance base of using TPs vs. rigor rigs? or even test it as it seems you didn't imo? look, just test it for yourself! go on SiSi and swap to 2-T2 rigor rigs and 1-T2 flare and see what the difference is with that current setup is. so why use TPs if you don't have to?

  rigors effectively do the same thing as TPs. the only other med slot module to do the same thing as flares are webs which are similar but are very limited in use due to their range. if you use your medium slots to fit the TPs which effectively do the same thing as the rigors then you only need 1 rigor and can use your other 2 rig slots to fit the flares. if you fit 2 rigors then you only have 1 flare and some of the TP bonus is wasted because it's unnecessary. you gotta allocate the slots the best you can to what you can and can't do with them and seeing as the med slots are more limited in use than the rig slots, you use the med slots to do the task they can do best (increase NPC sig radius)and use the rigs to do the task they can't (increase explosion velocity)
  
  

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  and another thing about TPs is this: people gripe about using a torp golem partly because the cycle use of TPs. it's annoying as hell and why use them if you don't have to?

  more dps against frigates and elite cruisers.

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  so with the right rigs and using heavy missiles why would you use them on a tengu if you really don't have to?

  because there's no reason to put anything else in the slot. more tank is a waste. a web has very limited range. use the med slots for what they can do - TPs, and then use the rigs for the other task.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

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  Quote from: Keo on April 28, 2012, 02:03:59 pm

  I stopped using my TPs a long time ago because I'm lazy and they just don't give me that much more. I have 2 boost amps and a stupidly large tank and I still go through missions just as fast still pulsing the booster
  

  sorry but this doesnt really make sense. you don't use TPs because you're lazy but you pulse the booster? um..? am i missing something here?
• Keo

  April 28, 2012, 07:51:26 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Bazzaaaaaaaaa on April 28, 2012, 02:30:07 pm

  Quote from: Keo on April 28, 2012, 02:03:59 pm

  I stopped using my TPs a long time ago because I'm lazy and they just don't give me that much more. I have 2 boost amps and a stupidly large tank and I still go through missions just as fast still pulsing the booster
  

  sorry but this doesnt really make sense. you don't use TPs because you're lazy but you pulse the booster? um..? am i missing something here?
  

  
  I can run my Tengu flat out and cap stable, I just don't need to. You're taking this whole thread way to seriously and all because people didn't rate your Tengu fit?
  

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  Sorry for necro post but I legitimately don't understand how fits which have less cap stability, less applied dps and are 4 slot tanked with a medium booster (aka overtanked for anything in high sec) get more + than this. Doesn't make sense for a less effective fit to get a higher rating.

  
  Lemme put this in context: You posted a Tengu fit almost a year back that was terrible, you took advice and fixed it some. Then you post another fit that is meh but works. Last month you post a 'Perfect' Tengu which was actually pretty good (but not perfect) and shows that you've learnt how to fit and fly the ship.
  
  Now you come along as the lord high poobar of Tengu fitting and yell insults at people:
  

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  LOL this is horrific advice even from someone like you.
  
  'don't use target painters, use more tank'
  
  are you totally retarded?

  
  It's taken you a year to get this boat worked out...congrats. You make some good points but you sound like a dick when you yell at someone because they don't do it your way. Chill the :censored: out.
• Widdershins

  April 28, 2012, 10:33:30 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: hustleman on April 28, 2012, 09:40:27 am

  why is a target painter so critical when the exp. radius is at 103?
  

  
  A brief study of the way missile damage is calculated will reveal why. Decreasing the explosion radius of your missiles, or increasing the signature radius of the target, will help you both if 1. your target is smaller than your explosion radius or 2. if your target is already larger than your explosion radius but is moving quickly. It has the same effect as slowing the target down in the eyes of the missiles. A large enough target will always take maximum damage from all missiles, regardless of how fast it is moving.
• Bazzaaaaaaaaa

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  Quote from: Keo on April 28, 2012, 07:51:26 pm

  Now you come along as the lord high poobar of Tengu fitting and yell insults at people:
  

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  LOL this is horrific advice even from someone like you.
  
  'don't use target painters, use more tank'
  
  are you totally retarded?

  
  It's taken you a year to get this boat worked out...congrats. You make some good points but you sound like a dick when you yell at someone because they don't do it your way. Chill the    out.
  

  that's because for a pve ship i can't see any reason to add more tank and reduce dps because it makes the ship less effective and more time consuming and i have fun from being efficient and doing things the best i can. i don't yell at someone for not doing it my way, i yell at people for doing things that are quite simply just bad ideas. for example i don't like HAM tengus and i wouldn't fly one but i +1'd Grimme's fit because i accept that it's effective and some people might prefer to fly their tengu in that style.
  
  but this isn't a matter of how you fly your tengu or opinion on how to make it most effective. it's a simple fact that if you replace the TPs with tank modules, it will do less damage and you will go through missions slower and i don't enjoy being less efficient than i can be.