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Warde Guildencrantz
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power diagnostic system=bad
signal amplifier=worse

dual tank= now you are just trolling

EDIT: JUST SAW AMARR DRONES, KILL IT WITH FIRE
Szilardis
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power diagnostic system=bad
signal amplifier=worse

dual tank= now you are just trolling

EDIT: JUST SAW AMARR DRONES HYBRID TANK, KILL IT WITH FIRE

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bwc.bl3h
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Power Diag is for the grid, so it fits.
Signal amp is so you can actually target as far as you can shoot.

Dual tank???  This is purely active shield tanked.... is it because I added some buffer?

Amarr drones is because this particular fit was against Sansha.

Who's the troll?
Warde Guildencrantz
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Power Diag is for the grid, so it fits.
Signal amp is so you can actually target as far as you can shoot.

Dual tank???  This is purely active shield tanked.... is it because I added some buffer?

Amarr drones is because this particular fit was against Sansha.

Who's the troll?

1. It probably would fit with powergrid implants
2. You should have an afterburner on a damn machariel, so you dont have to ever have something be out of your range cause you can burn into your targeting range. Plus, you should have A SHITLOAD of targeting range if your skills dont suck. Nothing is going to be 200km off in a mission, save for really specific ones that are not even worth doing. (I guess a microwarp can work as well but that's just reducing your total cap which is sort of undesirable.)
3. YES, IT IS
4. Amarr drones are horrible, you are better of with thermal drones even for sansha. 
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Seranova Farreach
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with 4/3 gyro and Tracking, and 800mm ACs you should beable to hit out to like 120km with falloff (depending on skills and hardwires) and do much more dps.
bwc.bl3h
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Switched the drones to hobs, and rigs to CCCs.  The MWD is purely for the fun of going 1505.  I've never had a problem with cap.  I stay at 70k - 80k so I'm not hurting my damage by being at the edge of my falloff.  Not sure where you got 200k from.
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with 4/3 gyro and Tracking, and 800mm ACs you should beable to hit out to like 120km with falloff (depending on skills and hardwires) and do much more dps.

Arty is for the Volley. DPS doesn't matter when you single shotting battle cruisers and 2 shotting BS.
lixxi
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I don't see the problem with power diag for sure - i hate using plugs to fit ships, more benefit from other plugs. I would agree if it was reactor control that does nothing but add grid, but power diag is great for shield tank - gives shield recharge & shield hp in addition to cap & grid - MUCH better than wasting a plug just for fitting (train your fitting skills).

you can't really compare arty with ac as this is an ARTY fit - arty is fun, ACs boring IMHO.

AB vs. MWD: why not MWD if it's not hurting the rest of the fit - if you can get away with it, use MWD, turn it off when you hit the desired range to drop the sig penalty. missions will go faster with MWD, no doubt.

think outside the box and if the boat does what it's intended for and is fun to fly, then smash the box. so many cookie cutter fits here, +1 for doing something different that works.

o ya, i don't see the issue with the LSE - with the MWD, your sig is already through the roof, so no penalty there and if you've actually run missions, sometimes heavy dps pours in while killing tacklers - the extra buffer is good until you can get range.
Mike712
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Mixed buffer and active tank -1

Needs more damage/tracking mods.




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Needs more damage/tracking mods.
Tracking is not a problem when everything is chasing you.  You can swap out the power diag for a 4th damage mod, and have it require a plug, but that gets a bit silly if every boat requires different plugs.
dasrufken
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even if you cant use the T2 guns always slap them on, it gives a nice baseline view on performance.

not sure if correct words...
jowilkin
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Autocannons.
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Autocannons

No.
Ceno
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Autocannons

No.
Yes.

Along with losing the signal amp and shield extender.

Also, idle ATS in the highs.
Warde Guildencrantz
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Autocannons

No.
Yes.

Along with losing the signal amp and shield extender.

Also, idle ATS in the highs.

personally i would throw a heavy NOS on with a large booster, due to the incoming NOS buff...but yeah. What you said is standard good.
Ceno
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Autocannons

No.
Yes.

Along with losing the signal amp and shield extender.

Also, idle ATS in the highs.

personally i would throw a heavy NOS on with a large booster, due to the incoming NOS buff...but yeah. What you said is standard good.
Has the NOS buff been confirmed? Szilardis enlightened me that it was only conceptual a while ago.
bwc.bl3h
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Autocannons

No.
Yes.

Along with losing the signal amp and shield extender.

Also, idle ATS in the highs.

I don't enjoy AC.  I like the Alpha of Arty.  The signal amp is so I can target past 77... which I guess is a personal preference.  I don't like shooting at the edge of my targeting.

ATS is a great idea!
Count Chamberlain
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autos..
i meen really...this is worse than my fits :/
Ceno
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^lol'd.
bwc.bl3h
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autos..
i mean really...this is worse than my fits :/

*shrug*.  I really enjoy flying it.  It goes super fast, has a huge volley, and can solo L4s with ease.  None of those things are bad.  =)
Warde Guildencrantz
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autos..
i mean really...this is worse than my fits :/

*shrug*.  I really enjoy flying it.  It goes super fast, has a huge volley, and can solo L4s with ease.  None of those things are bad.  =)

Except that it does them around 33% slower than an autocannon fit...sorry but I prefer ISK than artillery.
Szilardis
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I don't get it. Why even post a fit if you're not looking for feedback?
Astroniomix
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I don't get it. Why even post a fit if you're not looking for feedback?
Bruce Kemp
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-1,

hybrid tank....No
PDS....No
Signal amp!!...NO

Autos...\o/...Yes

Auto Mach is loads better.
VeniVediVici Alto
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Machariel is FAST! This ship was not ment to stay still and fire artillery [personal opinion]. Being fast you can get in range /falloff of AutoCannons and destroy anything with it in really fast.

I tried arti mach and auto mach in missions, auto mach is superior!!!!
cpt.Tomik
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Auto mach can Solo the Angel Extra in like 6-7min, doubt that Arty can do the same...
VeniVediVici Alto
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Contract me the mach for 500 mil isk without the modules [you can keep them don't care] if you don't know how to pilot it! :D
isturiel
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Arty on a mission ship with Fall-Off Bonus...

You want to shoot them at 70-80km and target even further. How do you do that in a mission? Go in, burn 60km and then start shooting? After you're done you're burning back to the next gate? You're investing twice the time for a mission to complete just for the fun? And yet I doubt you're hitting anything with that tracking. AC-Machas will prolly still be able to kill a target of ANY size faster at 60km than this fit.

The 1st thing to exchange would be the LSE for a targeting computer in my eyes.

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I don't see the problem with power diag for sure - i hate using plugs to fit ships, more benefit from other plugs. I would agree if it was reactor control that does nothing but add grid, but power diag is great for shield tank - gives shield recharge & shield hp in addition to cap & grid - MUCH better than wasting a plug just for fitting (train your fitting skills).
PG plug-in is slot 6. You won't find much usefull there until you're using a set. So it can be used without compromizes.




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bwc.bl3h
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Dropped the buffer tank & added a resist and cap for basically the same end result.

Machariel: Arty Solo L4 Kite

bwc.bl3h's Machariel built 2012-02-27

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Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist B-Type EM Ward Field
Gist B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Power Diagnostic System II
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Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation
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Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Here is the T2 version of the ship I fly (works great for all L4 missions)

MWD to 60k-80k and stop or coast.  Pick off the frigs, cruisers, then the BS (Basically whatever is fastest goes first since your not really taking damage).

All skills @ 5:
Range : 39km+108km
Volley: 13069
Speed : 1505 m/s
Targeting range: 101
(I typically stay at 70k - 80k to avoid damage)

Against worst (Blood Raiders):
581 defense
39.5k shield EHP (71.6k total)

Against best (Angels):
770 defense
52.3k shield EHP (89k total)

Drones are just for tacklers since you'll be 65k+ away from everyone.

Targeting

Maximum targets 10
Maximum targeting range 121.875 km
Scan resolution 175
Sensor strength 0 26 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 1505.31
Inertia modifier 0.0648
Signature radius 1865.5 m
Cargo capacity 665 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 7155.75 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 8 minutes 6 seconds
Powergrid 24532.5 / 23783.75MW
CPU 749.5 / 750 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 12232.5
Shield recharge time 28 minutes 35 seconds
Shield resistances 66.54% 62.5% 55% 73.23%

Armor

Armor hit points 11562.5
Armor resistances 60% 10% 25% 35%

Structure

Structure hit points 10325
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 100 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 125 m3
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Power Diagnostic System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist B-Type EM Ward Field
Gist B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Auto Targeting System I
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


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Item Quantity Value
Machariel 1 418,456,000
Auto Targeting System I 1 553
Power Diagnostic System II 1 677,400
Tracking Enhancer II 2 736,000
Hobgoblin II 1 414,715
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II 7 3,943,800
Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation 1 2,763
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I 1 177,775
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 3 52,105,000
Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster 1 35,499,000
Gist B-Type EM Ward Field 1 40,000,000
Gist B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field 1 13,500,000
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive 1 106,244,000
Republic Fleet EMP L 1 1,250
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 3 7,768,500
Total 823,672,555
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