Comments

• Gunjob

  November 16, 2010, 01:31:31 am

  
  

  Ensign

  
  

  Reputation: 147

  

  
  

  

  Got the PWG for HAMs? all things considered its better dps, you can shoot out to 44km and your gunna have to keep close to the loki which is gunna have to get stuck in with autos anyways.
• rockashadow

  November 16, 2010, 02:29:39 am

  
  

  Ensign

  
  

  Reputation: 81

  

  
  

  

  I would fit a deadspace shield transporter
• Shingorash

  November 16, 2010, 02:52:50 am

  
  

  Lieutenant Commander

  
  

  Reputation: 153

  

  
  

  

  I'd probably go with this...
  
  [Tengu, RR Tengu]
  Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
  Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
  Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
  Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
  Damage Control II
  
  Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
  Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
  Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
  Republic Fleet Target Painter
  Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
  
  Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
  Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
  Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
  Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
  Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
  Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
  
  Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
  Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
  Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
  
  Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
  Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
  Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
  Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
  Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
  
  
• Gorre

  November 16, 2010, 03:11:46 am

  
  

  Crewman

  
  

  Reputation: 2

  

  
  

  

  Why would anyone use a deadspace transport again?
• Apocal

  November 16, 2010, 03:12:19 am

  
  

  Crewman Recruit

  
  

  Reputation: 12

  

  
  

  

  Quote from: Gunjob on November 16, 2010, 01:31:31 am

  Got the PWG for HAMs? all things considered its better dps, you can shoot out to 44km and your gunna have to keep close to the loki which is gunna have to get stuck in with autos anyways.
  

  
  HAMs fit comfortably, even with poor fitting skills
  Terror Jav: 492 DPS at 45km
  T1 Terror: 547 DPS at 30km
  Terror Rage: 700 DPS at 27km
  
  Of course, this is paper DPS and the actual Incursion rats seem to sig-tank like beasts, combined with penalties to your missile's exp radius/vel. Will have to see how well HAMs work out first-hand before I can make a judgement on HAMs vs. HMLs.
  
  EDIT: Also depends on the how usable T2 missiles are. Right now, you need reduced speed/increased sig like you need another hole in the head. And the proposed cap recharge penalty, ugh.
  
  

  Quote from: rockashadow on November 16, 2010, 02:29:39 am

  I would fit a deadspace shield transporter
  

  
  There are no deadspace large shield transporters. The Pithums take more CPU than meta 4 large shield transporters and won't fit at all on the Tengu. Gistums give stability meaning I can ditch the CPR, but I'm not able to fit anything good into that lowslot because CPU is too tight. At least not without fitting implants and I prefer to stay away from those.
  
  All of this of course at the expense of sheer repping power. None of the sites so far have been truly bonkers with alpha, but DPS is very well up there; in the 1400-1800 range. Ideally, I'd like the gang to be survivable with only three functioning T3s (considering the amount of jamming/neuting you can't count on everyone's reps) and even the deadspace shield transporters can't provide that kind of tank.
  
  EDIT: Also the range issue. With mediums, you're dealing with 6.5 for Gistums and up to 7.2 with Pithums. With large you get a bit under 8.5km. This is important because it allows you to expand your orbit as necessary to accommodate increased numbers without playing bumper cars at the wrong time. It doesn't seem like a huge difference, but in practice it's noticeable how many more you can stuff in gang with that extra kilometer of range.
• Steveo74

  November 16, 2010, 04:37:22 am

  
  

  Lieutenant, Junior Grade

  
  

  Reputation: 125

  

  
  

  

  Might as well go with a faction EM resist as well! Also, I'd be tempted to lose a bcu for a dcII....
  
  Anyway good fit +1
• Shingorash

  November 16, 2010, 08:59:34 am

  
  

  Lieutenant Commander

  
  

  Reputation: 153

  

  
  

  

  Just use medium reps, you shouldn't need large's...
• el sabor

  November 16, 2010, 11:01:01 am

  
  

  Master Chief Petty Officer

  
  

  Reputation: 14

  

  
  

  

  Large reps more... and more reps means you need less people!
  
  I havn't done an incursion yet. Are there any issues with massive alpha strikes like sleepers?
• Apocal

  November 16, 2010, 01:19:47 pm

  
  

  Crewman Recruit

  
  

  Reputation: 12

  

  
  

  

  Quote from: Shingorash on November 16, 2010, 08:59:34 am

  Just use medium reps, you shouldn't need large's...
  

  
  You need large shield transpos for the harder sites. Just finished testing on Sisi, even three large transpos can't keep up with the hardest sites. I personally don't have much high-class WH experience but the "Assault" sites seem harder than a C3/4. "Headquarter" sites are just absolutely, Nintendo-hard, so I'm not even sure if this concept is viable there.
  
  

  Quote from: Steveo74 on November 16, 2010, 04:37:22 am

  Might as well go with a faction EM resist as well! Also, I'd be tempted to lose a bcu for a dcII....
  
  Anyway good fit +1
  

  
  Thanks. I didn't go with a faction EM resist because they are either T2 with lower fitting reqs (DG/CN) or worse than T2 (Domination). I considered deadspace, but the price (100M or thereabouts for a Pith C-type) didn't justify the marginal performance increase.
  
  You're almost certainly right about the DC2 vice a 4th BCS, changing fit now.
  
  

  Quote from: el sabor on November 16, 2010, 11:01:01 am

  I havn't done an incursion yet. Are there any issues with massive alpha strikes like sleepers?

  
  The closest to a high alpha strike I've seen was a target-painting BS that fired torps, as long as we were on the ball things didn't get out of hand. That being said, I haven't yet run through the full complement of Headquarter sites and the DPS of those sites is very high, something around 2500-4000 DPS if I had to guess, along with almost obscene amounts of EWAR of all kinds.
  
  Thanks for the feedback guys and don't forget to rate!
• Apocal

  November 17, 2010, 02:22:10 pm

  
  

  Crewman Recruit

  
  

  Reputation: 12

  

  
  

  

  Just finished up some more testing. I'd assumed max skilled Kinetic missiles did more practical DPS but found that wasn't the case. EMP did the best. Just the ammo load changed, nothing else.
  
  Also, the "Override Transfer Array" site, replace target painter on one or two Tengus with codebreaker for hacking the logistic structure.
• Karochi

  January 30, 2011, 02:42:02 pm

  
  

  Member 3rd class

  
  

  Reputation: 3

  

  
  

  

  Quote from: Apocal on November 17, 2010, 02:22:10 pm

  Just finished up some more testing. I'd assumed max skilled Kinetic missiles did more practical DPS but found that wasn't the case. EMP did the best. Just the ammo load changed, nothing else.
  

  
  I keep hearing that Incusion baddies deal and tank Omni. Is it possible that they're fit like PVP ships, with wide-spectrum resists but still a lower resist somewhere in there?
  
  What about swapping the DCU for a coproc and using a T2 LST? Slight resist loss, lower EHP, shorter rep cycle.
• Apocal

  September 05, 2011, 10:34:56 pm

  
  

  Crewman Recruit

  
  

  Reputation: 12

  

  
  

  

  please delete this fit, its thoroughly obsoleted. was first made before people had figured incursions out