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KILLAMANJARO
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Speed + armor tank = big no no
Sykars
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i dont know.. i mean the benefit of 800mm + a speed over 600 means that when you do get hit.. it wont cripple you, unlike a completely plateless fit.. i mean you are always gonna get hit..

I know its not 100% armor tank, or speed tank, but it hink for this frig it works.. grey area?
petit.padavoine
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Speed + armor tank = big no no
It's not a kiting fit, so even though you're right that the speed rigs are unnecessary here, it's not because he's armor tanking.

To the OP: most cruisers fit MWDs, you won't catch them if they don't come close. That's not a problem since you have Scorch.

But if they do come close, you'll have easy range control without the aux thrusters because of the AB. So I'd fit trimarks.

Nice tank and gank Omen which will kill bad MWD Thorax pilots, +1, although I recall it getting better stats.
KILLAMANJARO
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Speed + armor tank = big no no
It's not a kiting fit, refrain from posting.

To the OP: most cruisers fit MWDs, you won't catch them if they don't come close, and if they do, you'll have easy range control without the aux thrusters because of the AB.


So I'd fit trimarks.

Nice tank and gank Omen which will kill bad MWD Thorax pilots, +1, although I recall it getting better stats.
Would you shut up once in a while? You're not always right. Go back to your bridge.
petit.padavoine
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Would you shut up once in a while? You're not always right. Go back to your bridge.
>generic sentence implying that even though you have nothing to answer, you don't wanna be wrong, so you call me a troll.
>oh my, i'm sad :(
Szilardis
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Speed + armor tank = big no no
It's not a kiting fit, refrain from posting.

To the OP: most cruisers fit MWDs, you won't catch them if they don't come close, and if they do, you'll have easy range control without the aux thrusters because of the AB.


So I'd fit trimarks.

Nice tank and gank Omen which will kill bad MWD Thorax pilots, +1, although I recall it getting better stats.
Would you shut up once in a while? You're not always right. Go back to your bridge.

"Hello pot, my name is kettle."
KILLAMANJARO
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You're going to be in scram range and webbed by mostly everything. Adding more buffer will safe you more than 50 m/s more speed while you're webbed. AB works well in Ahac gangs where you're on an anchor. But fitting an AB solo just allows other people to dictate range.
petit.padavoine
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You're going to be in scram range and webbed by mostly everything. Adding more buffer will safe you more than 50 m/s more speed while you're webbed.
I'm not sure what you were trying to say, can you rephrase?

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But fitting an AB solo just allows other people to dictate range.
And we all know how vulnerable the Omen is to kiting, lol.
Fitting an AB solo allows you to dictate range against a gank cruiser (ie your typical short range MWD cruiser that fights within scram range).
Also, you're implying that if it had an MWD, it would catch ships that want to kite it...
Finally, try fitting a decent armor buffer Omen with an MWD.
And please don't quote just that last sentence, post some random mediocre MWD Omen fit, and happily tell me "so there!" while ignoring the rest of my post.
Sykars
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This loadout has been updated.. trimark added, comments updated.
KILLAMANJARO
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I havent posted random fits? Oh right, I havent.

Here's your "reprhase":

Speed + armor tank = big no no.
petit.padavoine
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I havent posted random fits? Oh right, I havent.
I've noticed a lot of people on BC just hang on to a thread of something to contest and ignore the read of the post. I was just "inb4ing", just in case you did that.

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Here's your "reprhase": Speed + armor tank = big no no.
He was wrong about the aux thrusters, but not because of some imaginary SPEED + ARMOR TANK IS BAD rule, but because pretty much all cruisers are MWD fitted and he doesn't need the extra speed to control range with an AB within scram range.
KILLAMANJARO
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Well if it's not a bad thing to do. Explain why people fit shield canes?
petit.padavoine
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Well if it's not a bad thing to do. Explain why people fit shield canes?
I didn't say fitting for speed while armor buffered was a great idea.
I said him being armor fitted had nothing to do with the reason why aux thrusters aren't a good idea on this fit.
KILLAMANJARO
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, but not because of some imaginary SPEED + ARMOR TANK IS BAD rule
You're implying that armor + speed tank is a good idea
petit.padavoine
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, but not because of some imaginary SPEED + ARMOR TANK IS BAD rule
You're implying that armor + speed tank is a good idea

I used the word imaginary because to you it's some rule set in stone that applies to everything (even though it didn't here).
I'm not saying GOGO, FIT SPEED ON YOUR PLATED SHIPS. Quote me out of context some more if you enjoy doing that though.
Exoth3rmic
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+1

Good for cheap fleet/ FW throw-away fun.
saileng
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i like it, dictating range in a cruiser fight is a good thing.
KILLAMANJARO
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You quote me out of context all the time petit.
petit.padavoine
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You quote me out of context all the time petit.
Please, feel free to show me a single time I did (and did it on purpose, fully realizing that the only reason what I was saying worked was because I ignored the context, like you just did).
KILLAMANJARO
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Every time on the 0 tank omen.
petit.padavoine
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Every time on the 0 tank omen.
I'm waiting for a quote and an explanation of what I didn't take into account considering context.
KILLAMANJARO
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Not to get a reaction out of you, not worth it.
petit.padavoine
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Not to get a reaction out of you, not worth it.
>implying you could if you wanted to
>implying you've above that sort of stuff, after telling me I always quote you out of context

 ::)
Szilardis
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Holy shit, shut the balls up and stop stealing the thread asshats.  Bridge is that way -->
petit.padavoine
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He started it  >:(
Also, don't pretend it matters that there's a few posts that aren't directly relevant to the fit, I doubt anyone is screaming in horror and tearing their eyeballs out because of it.
Szilardis
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He started it  >:(
Also, don't pretend it matters that there's a few posts that aren't directly relevant to the fit, I doubt anyone is screaming in horror and tearing their eyeballs out because of it.

I count 15. And I don't think I've heard "(s)he started it" since primary school.  Stop being asshats.

Fit looks fine for a cheap omen, trimarks are indeed the better rigs for this. +1
petit.padavoine
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I count 15.
Don't pretend it matters that there's FIFTEEN posts that aren't directly relevant to the fit, I doubt anyone is screaming in horror and tearing their eyeballs out because of it.
Fixed that for you, it still applies. All you have to do is scroll down. Incidentally, I count six, only the posts about quoting out of context etc are irrelevant.
The previous ones aren't about what to fit / what not to fit, they're about WHY not to fit x but fit y instead, which is just as important, if not more (give a man a fish etc etc).

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And I don't think I've heard "(s)he started it" since primary school.  Stop being asshats.
It was for lulz, I included the smiley just in case it wasn't obvious enough already. Maybe I should've put two smileys and written "JK LOL".
Netheran
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maybe you guys should stop trolling each other on a fitting forum and get to private messages instead, might get kinky in the end and dull both your edges

i agree with trimarks on this fit, and its a good cheap omen, tough ship to fit right imo
Stormscion
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looks solid
saileng
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you should be using warriors on this; the dps difference with 3 drones is negligible but the speed difference isn't.
petit.padavoine
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you should be using warriors on this; the dps difference with 3 drones is negligible but the speed difference isn't.
Speed? He's fighting within scram range, speed is irrelevant, no drone will fail to catch a scrammed and webbed cruiser.
Szilardis
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you should be using warriors on this; the dps difference with 3 drones is negligible but the speed difference isn't.
Speed? He's fighting within scram range, speed is irrelevant, no drone will fail to catch a scrammed and webbed cruiser.

the idea is to catch fast frigs
petit.padavoine
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the idea is to catch fast frigs
Frigs will just kill them, warriors or not.
Szilardis
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the idea is to catch fast frigs
Frigs will just kill them, warriors or not.

are you familiar with the concept of cycling drones?
petit.padavoine
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With 3 drones it's simply not enough against any decent frig.
And warriors will barely help, they have less EHP and are slightly harder to track, it pretty much cancels out.
Sykars
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i think the idea was to use warriors as ANTI-DRONE. The DPS boost is small.. so use them to kill any other drones... Thats what i think he means.
petit.padavoine
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He said for frigs.
And Hobs do barely better than Wars against other drones, IIRC.
Sykars
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 i was refering to saileng...
petit.padavoine
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He said speed, speed doesn't matter when you're trying to kill enemy drones since they're orbiting you and you're not very fast compared to a drone, so no, he probably didn't mean for drones shooting drones.
Really the only reason warriors might be better for drones shooting drones is tracking, and light drones all track ridiculously well anyway, so might as well use hobs.

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Sykars's Omen built 2010-09-21

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plated omen
Spaceship
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Empty
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Modulename
339/576 DPS

26.6 EHP
480 M/S speed
(Tri mark rigs) 26 mil fit cost

18.1 EHP
640 M/S speed
(Aux thrust rigs) 17 mil fit cost

17.1 mil cost according to BC.. less IMO, same for Tri mark fit.. probably less than what BC is telling me.




Targeting

Maximum targets 6
Maximum targeting range 68.75 km
Scan resolution 375
Sensor strength 0 0 0 15

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 662.22
Inertia modifier 0.29025
Signature radius 115 m
Cargo capacity 400 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 1843.75 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 6 minutes 34 seconds
Powergrid 813.5 / 1156.25MW
CPU 308.75 / 393.75 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 1500
Shield recharge time 15 minutes 37 seconds
Shield resistances 12.5% 56.25% 47.5% 30%

Armor

Armor hit points 7034.05
Armor resistances 73.44% 57.51% 60.17% 65.48%

Structure

Structure hit points 1875
Structure resistances 60% 60% 60% 60%
Drone bandwidth 40 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 40 m3
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Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Empty

Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
10MN Afterburner II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II
Item Quantity Value
Omen 1 9,000,000
Warp Scrambler II 1 1,219,900
Adaptive Nano Plating II 1 7,395
Damage Control II 1 448,449
Heat Sink II 1 749,927
Hobgoblin II 1 299,999
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 5 1,200,000
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator 1 177,777
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1 588,892
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates 1 261,000
10MN Afterburner II 1 2,139,200
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M 1 1
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I 3 1,800,000
Total 26,292,540
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