Loadout: Caldari Navy Hookbill: The Fookbill
Caldari Navy Hookbill: The Fookbill
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Ship fitting - Built on August 30, 2010
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I'm not here to argue about the best way to fit this thing. Because this is the best way ;)
Anyone who doubts that just hasn't flown this ship, or doesn't know what they are talking about. No stats from EFT at the moment as I am posting from work, May add that later. But if you have any questions about how to fly this just ask and I will answer, (long day ahead) If you want to see some of the results look up my char: Zach Donnell EDIT: THIS FIT IS NOW (SOMEWHAT) OBSOLETE Well, really you just don't need the second web. I have yet to fly this post rocket buff, but I would just try to find something to put in place of the second web and keep everything else the same :) |
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August 30, 2010, 01:16:22 pm
Master Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 72
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=11154581
That's pretty impressive. All we need is a rocket boost and I'd have a new favorite frigate. -
August 30, 2010, 01:18:27 pm
Captain
Reputation: 632
Needs DCII, instead of that overpriced one. -
August 30, 2010, 01:19:53 pm
Commander
Reputation: 438
looks pretty good for a hookbill.
129 dps faction kinetic, 147 dps rage kinetic. bearing in mind that's rocket dps so meh.
alsoQuoteEstimated total value: 72,814,649 ISK
holy crap
A rocket fix would make the vengeance, malediction and this ship really awesome, I'd love that -
August 30, 2010, 01:22:16 pm
CommanderReputation: 223
Exported to EFT to see the stats. It looks okay, and I seen your killboard. Had to skip to the second page as you've been using a flycatcher lately. Well, you have proof that the fitting works, damage is low, but the rest seems fine.
So, based on the proof of combat, and overall design, it's enough to +1. -
August 30, 2010, 01:31:37 pm
Crewman Apprentice
Reputation: 14
I really don't want a rocket fix after flying this (and the flycatcher, but shhh about that ship) because it will become all too popular.
It's truly amazing how underestimated this ship is, and I have got a lot of great fights with it, because of that.
Edit: and sorry T2 DC won't fit as its already maxed out on cpu (100% iirc) Yes, it is expensive for a frig but its very capable and can disengage basically every 1v1, and often even outnumbered. I have lost a handful, often just to being stupid though, not due to lack of ability from the ship
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August 30, 2010, 01:41:02 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
looks pretty good for a hookbill.
129 dps faction kinetic, 147 dps rage kinetic. bearing in mind that's rocket dps so meh.
alsoQuoteEstimated total value: 72,814,649 ISK
holy crap
A rocket fix would make the vengeance, malediction and this ship really awesome, I'd love that
I should add, that dual webbed most targets will be getting hit for full damage, you will lose a slight amount obviously with the exp velocity only being about 120ish I think, (most dual webbed frigs will be 150-200 with ab on) but its not bad, and no worse then the occasional tracking issues you would have on a turret ship imo.
Oh and don't use rage, ever, on a frig sized ship on a dessy it may work alright though.
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August 30, 2010, 02:11:03 pm
CommanderReputation: 438
yeah, dual web is what's stopping me shouting "ROCKETS SUCK DON'T USE THEM"
A rocket fix will convince me to train t2 rockets, but right now I don't think it's worth it for me, I like the malediction and vengeance, but guns just work better on them
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August 30, 2010, 02:16:53 pm
CommanderReputation: 322
Pretty much textbook Hookbill tbh. +1'd. -
August 30, 2010, 02:17:35 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
I flew it for quite a bit with arbalests and rockets IV hehe, was still plenty effective. Remember that dual webs aren't just for the roflkets, they aid in keeping range, and its a key concept to why the ship works. -
August 30, 2010, 02:35:37 pm
Lieutenant Commander
Reputation: 333
looks solid +1 -
August 30, 2010, 03:27:10 pm
Lieutenant
Reputation: 240
Awesome fitting. Shame you can't fit a t2 damage control to drop the price a bit, IFF's are pretty expensive. It kind of makes me want to train t2 rockets, but then I remember how bad they are most of the time, this being one of the few exceptions +1
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August 30, 2010, 03:27:30 pm
Petty Officer 1st. Class
Reputation: 11
ehp: 6537
resists: 38/29.2/46.9/55.8
dps: 129 with navy thorn
speed: 1339 m/s
the only impressive thing about it is how many +1s it got. -
August 30, 2010, 03:31:48 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Dorian, I take it you don't get it
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August 30, 2010, 03:39:16 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
yeah i dont -
August 30, 2010, 03:47:27 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
I thought about writing up the basic tactics to use with this ship but decided against it because I figured most would understand.
It is definitely not a high DPS gank and please consider another option, thanks! ship. This should be clear, it is a very effective 1v1 lowsec combat frig. I'd argue one of the best to be honest, obviously the dramiel is king but don't get me started on that OP ship.
You can handle multiple opponents too but it is situational, and often you will need to create the situation yourself.
But more to the 1v1 aspect which is where it really shines. yes you only have 130ish dps. But you get total range control, very few turret based ships will be able to effectively apply dps to you at 8-10km (which is where you should be flying), rail and arty fits may, but you simply get in close and orbit. You will need to watch out for mwd + disruptor fits (basically the slicer) but that should be obvious as well. Thats not to say you can't catch one of guard of course, if you do get in close and orbit with ab overloaded.
Also as I mentioned it can get away from pretty much anything with a scram, I engage dramiels regularly because of this, they usually edge me out, and once I am convinced I cant win, I overload the webs and ab and align out for warp.
I could go on, but if you can't see the effectiveness yourself. I'm not sure my explanation will help any
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August 30, 2010, 03:48:36 pm
Crewman Recruit
Reputation: 2
if you use arbs launchers with faction missiles will you not save enough cpu to fit a tech2 dcu while not reducing the dps much? -
August 30, 2010, 03:52:52 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
I am not sure (don't think so), but it would certainly then fit a Pseudoelectron Containment field, and can save you about 10m with a tick less EHP -
August 30, 2010, 04:06:13 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
[Jaguar, New Setup 2]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
131 dps
939 m/s
9654 ehp
93/79/52/42 armor resists
34 sig (yours is like 50)
and it has a neut
its better and costs way less than yours so yeah dont know why they like your fit so much when it costs like 80 mil
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August 30, 2010, 04:10:29 pm
CommanderReputation: 438
a caldari faction frigate is not a t2 minmatar assault ship. very different skill sets, a jag isn't going to do 130 dps up to the edge of your point/web range.
your fit is a lot slower.
not really a proper comparison anyway lol -
August 30, 2010, 04:24:01 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
I was just using a ship that I fly. complaining abut range? load barrage in kid. the fookbill has 4 or 5 hundred more speeds. impressive, but when you add it all up its not really worth the price. a taranis would kill you before you could get away too same with a harpy and ishkur and even a wolf (and theyre all way cheaper)
sigh -
August 30, 2010, 04:52:40 pm
CommanderReputation: 438
not everyone is so worried about the isk they spend ingame, don't be so concerned over other people's wallets. he's getting worth while kills out of it, solo... as caldari, and he's not in a drake(!).
it's a good fit, for an underestimated ship.
it's odd for a 16 year old boy to be throwing the word "kid" around also lol
barrage isn't gonna get you near 130 dps at 8-10km. -
August 30, 2010, 04:56:19 pm
CommanderReputation: 322
Out of interest I just checked it, above fit gets 50 dps at 10km with barrage. -
August 30, 2010, 05:08:11 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Hehe, 50 dps...
Dorian, you clearly haven't flown this ship so don't try and tell me those ships are going to kill it before it can get out of range, blaster ranis is probably one of the easiest things to kill. But there is no reason to argue, kid. The less people who fly them, the better for those of us that do
(gotta love those cocky rifter pilots) -
August 30, 2010, 06:58:35 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 234
This is pretty awesome. I'm a rapier pilot and people who say twin webs aren't useful clearly haven't learned The Secret. Same for people who automatically knock AB fits vs MWD fits and don't understand sig radius. &0M is steep for a frigate, but people fly Dramiels and Daredevils all the time; if its effective and you can fly it, then do it.
Only thing you'll have trouble with are properly flown missile frigs (kiting disruptor kessie would be a pain), the odd Sentinel pilot, and perhaps a double-webbing hyena which can just please consider another option, thanks!. Its a small list! -
August 30, 2010, 07:18:25 pm
Ensign
Reputation: 109
Pretty much how a hookbill should be fitted...
now for that rocket buff...
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August 30, 2010, 07:42:21 pm
CaptainReputation: 632
Still needs DCII >< -
August 30, 2010, 07:50:24 pm
CommanderReputation: 438
t2 isn't gonna fit. anything to free up enough cpu to use a dc2 would cost more than the meta4 dc. -
August 31, 2010, 04:36:14 am
LieutenantReputation: 132
Good web range kiting hookbill, +1
I would like to see your flycatcher fit though, I'm guessing its like this just with no BCU and 2 rails in the free highs? -
August 31, 2010, 05:35:10 am
Petty Officer 3rd. Class
Reputation: 6
Nice fit +1 -
August 31, 2010, 08:02:05 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Good web range kiting hookbill, +1
I would like to see your flycatcher fit though, I'm guessing its like this just with no BCU and 2 rails in the free highs?
Pretty much the same you're right, but I really want to keep that thing a secret for as long as possible It's also much cheaper then the hookbill.
You can just look up my losses as I have lost a few hehe... -
August 31, 2010, 08:16:19 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 0
Many Dramiel pilots don't even want to fight Zach's Hookbill in Gallente/Caldari lowsec because they know that he can just disengage if he can't win. It's extremely effective and does full damage with two webs compared to the terrible damage drop of autocannons in deep falloff (lol 40-50 dps at 10k). As far as I know, he has also killed a few dramiels with it. -
September 01, 2010, 02:07:36 pm
Crewman
Reputation: 11
Can't you fit T2 stuff man? I mean seriously... -
September 01, 2010, 04:30:42 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
nope, we have a hater it appears
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September 03, 2010, 08:15:57 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 0
Can't you fit T2 stuff man? I mean seriously...
Have you looked at it in EFT? He needed to fit all that best named stuff because there is no way it can fit with T2. And anyway, best named uses less cap. -
September 03, 2010, 08:49:26 am
CommanderReputation: 322
Can't you fit T2 stuff man? I mean seriously...
Open up EFT and look at the CPU on this ship.
Yeah, that's why. -
September 03, 2010, 10:04:51 am
LieutenantReputation: 177
Can't you fit T2 stuff man? I mean seriously...
Learn something about fitting ships before you rate fits. kthxbai -
September 03, 2010, 06:36:24 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
well, i got my cousin to fight me in this fit, and he faceraped my jaguar. dont i look like the :censored: ing asshole? ill crawl in my hole now..
dont feel bad for me... im already dead. also +1d -
September 03, 2010, 07:02:43 pm
Rear Admiral
Reputation: 495
I've seen you around and know you fly this thing well +1. -
September 03, 2010, 07:05:23 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
well, i got my cousin to fight me in this fit, and he faceraped my jaguar. dont i look like the
ing asshole? ill crawl in my hole now..
dont feel bad for me... im already dead. also +1d
Haha, we forgive you
And ty crunch, idk who you are though wave next time!
EDIT: nvm, saw the sig, figured it out heh... -
September 06, 2010, 08:25:54 am
Member 5th Class
Reputation: 0
Just built and tried it out. Great stuff. +1 -
September 06, 2010, 05:46:42 pm
Member 3rd class
Reputation: 1
+1. Initial results AWESOME! -
September 08, 2010, 05:28:44 am
CommanderReputation: 119
+1 tactics make this fit good. -
September 08, 2010, 05:43:16 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 4
-1 because this should be kept a secret :p
...ok +1 then, because i fly the same fit, just a little less pimped. most awesome frig evar! -
September 08, 2010, 05:54:13 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 4
cheaper version for those of us that don't want to spend 30m for marginal gains Cheaper hookbill -
September 09, 2010, 11:32:07 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/41582-Caldari-Navy-Hookbill-1V1-PVP.html
oh copycat here, this guys a phony, a big fat phony ! lol i dont know how to link -
September 09, 2010, 12:36:09 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Power diagnostic is lol -
September 09, 2010, 01:07:29 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
doesnt change the fact my son
lol -
September 09, 2010, 01:52:56 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Change what fact, I don't get what you are talking about? -
September 09, 2010, 02:02:07 pm
CaptainReputation: 632
I think he means it's not original -
September 09, 2010, 03:13:29 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
A fit is only unique for one person, one time... the odds that you create something that has never been done before are so incredibly slim its really irrelevant.
I never once claimed that this is somehow a never before seen fit, or that all credit should be directed towards me. I was well aware of that fit before I created this one.
It's what I flew, I had success, it wasn't posted here so I posted it. End of story. Dorian can troll elsewhere
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September 09, 2010, 04:57:32 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 11
but it WAS posted here lmfao. sorry i hurt your feelings, i was trying to make fun out of it, wasnt being serious. can we be friends lol but ill be damned if im gonna sit here and let you talk that way about trolls
edited for spelling oops -
September 11, 2010, 08:08:37 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 10
CHOCOLATE
I love it. It's true. I just proposed, and the fitting said "yes".
+1 -
September 17, 2010, 11:52:44 am
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Reputation: 225
but it WAS posted here lmfao. sorry i hurt your feelings, i was trying to make fun out of it, wasnt being serious. can we be friends lol but ill be damned if im gonna sit here and let you talk that way about trolls
This dude is just SEARCHING for things to get at you about lol. Its an awesome fit just use it or STFU. Doesnt matter if its been posted before. And the fit you linked didnt even have a BCS. Its necessary for the DPS.
edited for spelling oops -
September 17, 2010, 11:53:28 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
Anywho +1'd. -
September 17, 2010, 11:58:46 am
Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 40
Many Dramiel pilots don't even want to fight Zach's Hookbill in Gallente/Caldari lowsec because they know that he can just disengage if he can't win.
Not decent dram pilots I take it.
As for the fit, its what the hookbill needs +1 -
September 18, 2010, 04:26:34 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
I can run from any scram dramiel. Which I think was more his point, but either way thanks. -
September 28, 2010, 12:08:48 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
works great +1 -
October 21, 2010, 11:04:46 am
Member 2nd Class
Reputation: 2
ZACH you DILDO!!!!!!!! Now you've given away our secret fit. OH NOES!!!!!! Now people will know the fit and never fight me again. =S I lost one today btw my webs wouldn't engage i dunno y. -
November 02, 2010, 09:39:12 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 2
Drop dcu for an Overdrive.
Drop Medium Anc for a second extender rig.
Upgrade webs to Tech II
Upgrade scram to DG
Downgrade AB to Corelli c-type.
Fit has 0 cpu left over with max fitting skills 0.4 grid iirc.
Cheaper, Faster with a bit more shield and full tackle out to 10km
Of course you lose the structure buffer.
You can go patterned stasis webs if you cant fit t2 due to cpu. -
November 02, 2010, 10:01:47 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
looky dropping the dc would cripple this fit. it's the only type of resist it has left besides the one em rig -
November 02, 2010, 10:11:15 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 2
Your swapping 10% extra resists on the Shield for 15% extra buffer 15% extra recharge.
I dont have the eft numbers , but the total ehp cant be more than 10% less and you'll have slightly more ehp on the primary buffer.
The reason I prefer OD over DCU is it enable dual 60% webs and 10km scram.
You can orbit faster 1km further out thus reducing incoming dps
60% webs will enable more rocket damage too against your target. -
November 03, 2010, 03:42:30 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Out of spite, I'd like to -1 because all I ever saw this guy do was sit in his Vaga saying "FIGHT ME." to frigates back in militia. I'll +1 though, I like this fit regardless. -
November 04, 2010, 01:10:57 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Haha quite the selective memory you have there.
I think I flew a vaga for 1-2 weeks and that was about it, you happened to be in the one frigate gang that I asked to fight me. Of course you all ran
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November 08, 2010, 07:26:09 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
+1 good fit and a good pilet. -
November 16, 2010, 03:03:11 pm
Crewman Novice
Reputation: 49
I'm now flying this fit with arbies (training T2 now) and i gotta say THIS ROCKS! Got a cruiser and a wolf kill in this on the first day
+1 from me
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November 25, 2010, 01:05:01 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
I like this fitting. It's hard to get tech 2 parts to fit. On mine, the CPU/PG are both right up to the rim. In EFT, I can get some better parts, more exact the OP's fitting, if I have Weapon Upgrades 5 and Advanced Weapon Upgrades 4. So I plan to train those up asap.
I tested this fitting out on some rats just to see how well the double web works, the range of the rockets etc......it kicks ass. I like being able to keep my opponent at bay and slowed down to a crawl while I orbit at over 1000m/s. I can't wait for the upgrades to to the Rocket stats in the upcoming expansion.
This is a fun ship to fly.
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November 25, 2010, 01:12:09 am
CaptainReputation: 632
CPU problems. -
November 25, 2010, 07:59:25 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 333
Can't you fit T2 stuff man? I mean seriously...
>_<
edit: okay the forums are messed up. It is showing me a comment by ADIGA from september 1st as the most recent -
November 27, 2010, 01:04:05 am
Member 4th Class
Reputation: 1
+1 I love it
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November 30, 2010, 10:08:45 pm
Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 41
tested the hookbill, now i know what to dump the xmas skillpoints into -
December 01, 2010, 01:20:11 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
This loadout has been updated -
December 01, 2010, 02:00:11 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 333
maybe a TD? -
December 01, 2010, 02:04:40 pm
LieutenantReputation: 240
Hows the fit running now with the Rocket buff? Haven't had a chance to get online and do a good rocket test, been busy working
Would be interesting to see how much of an affect just a single web has now with the increase in explosion velocity, I'll probably have a go in the next couple of weeks. -
December 01, 2010, 02:11:56 pm
CommanderReputation: 322
Hows the fit running now with the Rocket buff? Haven't had a chance to get online and do a good rocket test, been busy working
Would be interesting to see how much of an affect just a single web has now with the increase in explosion velocity, I'll probably have a go in the next couple of weeks.
I've been messing with it on sisi and it's working really well for me but no info on tranq yet. -
December 01, 2010, 03:25:38 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
maybe a TD?
It's something I looked into but you will be hurting on CPU, probably have to drop the DC for an overdrive or nano (not necessarily a bad thing)
I personally will probably be using a Dual Prop one most likely. But I have seen others now use a magnetic scattering amp (EM Passive resist mod) for that extra mid. -
December 05, 2010, 04:55:21 pm
Member 3rd classReputation: 1
this fit is garbage unless its for lowsec only -
December 06, 2010, 08:51:39 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
zach have you been flying this around PB recently? intel has buzzed about a hooky running around
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December 06, 2010, 08:53:46 am
CaptainReputation: 632
Roflket buff! I must now get one. -
December 06, 2010, 11:34:54 am
CommanderReputation: 438
zach have you been flying this around PB recently? intel has buzzed about a hooky running around
I saw zach in a raptor a few times in PB area lol, haven't seen a hookbill tho -
December 06, 2010, 12:35:57 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
Yeah seen his raptor as well but yeah, i heard about a week ago, a small gang was out with a hookbill as tackle. i figured someone was taking advantage of the rocket buff.zach have you been flying this around PB recently? intel has buzzed about a hooky running around
I saw zach in a raptor a few times in PB area lol, haven't seen a hookbill tho -
December 07, 2010, 01:56:03 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
this fit is garbage unless its for lowsec only
Well thank you for your insightful comment good sir!
Yeah seen his raptor as well but yeah, i heard about a week ago, a small gang was out with a hookbill as tackle. i figured someone was taking advantage of the rocket buff.zach have you been flying this around PB recently? intel has buzzed about a hooky running around
I saw zach in a raptor a few times in PB area lol, haven't seen a hookbill tho
Haha, yeah I scoot around PB a lot now, but no hookbill as of yet (though I am thinking I may soon)
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December 08, 2010, 03:09:05 am
Crewman NoviceReputation: 49
I would keep the dual web if i were you, rather than dual prop. The webs really help you control the fight, which is what makes this ship so strong. Maxing out the dps from rockets before the buff was more like a beneficial side affect. -
December 08, 2010, 08:26:29 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
I would keep the dual web if i were you, rather than dual prop. The webs really help you control the fight, which is what makes this ship so strong. Maxing out the dps from rockets before the buff was more like a beneficial side affect.
This. Dual web allows you to keep things like dramiels and inties in check. -
December 08, 2010, 01:27:33 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
Yeah, I had similar thoughts.
A hookbill with mwd + dual webs should be able to edge out a dual prop dram (until he overloads AB, then he has the speed advantage). I already have a dual prop one fit, but I will try both. -
December 08, 2010, 04:20:52 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
This text glows -
December 08, 2010, 08:41:26 pm
CaptainReputation: 632
I need to train T2 rockets. :s -
December 10, 2010, 10:08:30 pm
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 2
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=11154581
Incursion: It boosted them rockets.
That's pretty impressive. All we need is a rocket boost and I'd have a new favorite frigate.
Thus this fit wins. +1 -
January 04, 2011, 05:20:00 pm
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 4
The second web is just fine.
It allows you to dictate range against other frigs and stay well outside their optimals. -
February 04, 2011, 12:10:18 am
Member 1st Class
Reputation: 4
i has question.. is cap conduct needed?? just asking cause i have 79% stab when i fit this... -
February 04, 2011, 12:23:55 am
CommanderReputation: 438
i has question.. is cap conduct needed?? just asking cause i have 79% stab when i fit this...
that's a powergrid rig. -
February 21, 2011, 06:43:58 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
Why Rockets?, and for about the same price of your DCU I can fit the cheaper pirate web/scrams. I'm minus 5% speed and a little DPS; but I have more range, bigger buff, much bigger alpha, better thermal resist (hobbies being most common drone) and I can kite at a greater distance those desties out hunting frigs like yours.
Plus I don't have to train rockets, which I think would only ever be used on this specific rig.
Low
Micro B66 Core Augmentation
DC 2
Mids
1MN AB 2
med F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Dread Guristas Warp Scram
Dread Guristas Stasis Web
Supplemental Thermal Barrier
Highs
Standard Missile launcher 2 x3 - Caldari Bloodclaw Missiles
Rigs
Small core Defense Field Extender x2
Small Anti-EM Screen
Edit: I think if I kept your damage control I could change the scrambler into a disruptor, drop the thermal barrier and add another webber making MY optimal range 13k without heat. Adds a bit to the price tag but now even rail fits are in falloff. -
February 21, 2011, 10:16:36 am
CommanderReputation: 438
Why Rockets?, and for about the same price of your DCU I can fit the cheaper pirate web/scrams. I'm minus 5% speed and a little DPS; but I have more range, bigger buff, much bigger alpha, better thermal resist (hobbies being most common drone) and I can kite at a greater distance those desties out hunting frigs like yours.
Plus I don't have to train rockets, which I think would only ever be used on this specific rig.
Low
Micro B66 Core Augmentation
DC 2
Mids
1MN AB 2
med F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Dread Guristas Warp Scram
Dread Guristas Stasis Web
Supplemental Thermal Barrier
Highs
Standard Missile launcher 2 x3 - Caldari Bloodclaw Missiles
Rigs
Small core Defense Field Extender x2
Small Anti-EM Screen
Edit: I think if I kept your damage control I could change the scrambler into a disruptor, drop the thermal barrier and add another webber making MY optimal range 13k without heat. Adds a bit to the price tag but now even rail fits are in falloff.
because when you are in web and scram range, you are in rocket range. they are easier to fit and do more dps.
the strength of the hookbill is the ability to shield tank and fit two webs, while still being a fast frigate - you have complete range control on pretty much everyone (except 90% web bonused and perhaps neut frigs)
tl;dr everything you just said made no sense -
February 21, 2011, 01:51:12 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
because when you are in web and scram range, you are in rocket range. they are easier to fit and do more dps.
the strength of the hookbill is the ability to shield tank and fit two webs, while still being a fast frigate - you have complete range control on pretty much everyone (except 90% web bonused and perhaps neut frigs)
tl;dr everything you just said made no sense
No sense?
How about this: My range is longer than your range.
Just because rocket range is the same as the web range is not a good reason to use them. Last I checked missiles don't do less damage because their too close.
as for the other, if you're dedicated to 2 webs; as I said you could switch the damage control 2 back to the over priced one above pull the thermal shielding off and fit another webber.
I was using the Dread Guristas web and scram to increase the OP's range from 10K to 13K. his range made him vulnerable to railguns, mine makes it less so.
makes sense to me -
February 21, 2011, 02:08:07 pm
CommanderReputation: 438
because when you are in web and scram range, you are in rocket range. they are easier to fit and do more dps.
the strength of the hookbill is the ability to shield tank and fit two webs, while still being a fast frigate - you have complete range control on pretty much everyone (except 90% web bonused and perhaps neut frigs)
tl;dr everything you just said made no sense
No sense?
How about this: My range is longer than your range.
Just because rocket range is the same as the web range is not a good reason to use them. Last I checked missiles don't do less damage because their too close.
as for the other, if you're dedicated to 2 webs; as I said you could switch the damage control 2 back to the over priced one above pull the thermal shielding off and fit another webber.
I was using the Dread Guristas web and scram to increase the OP's range from 10K to 13K. his range made him vulnerable to railguns, mine makes it less so.
makes sense to me
your range is scram range. having more range than that doesn't matter, you just have less dps and less range control with your fit
and as for vulnerable to rails, lol. have you used hybrids? there are few effective railships, and the ones that exist (taranis etc) are either avoidable or killable, the hookbill is very capable fitted with two webs -
February 22, 2011, 12:38:23 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 14
because when you are in web and scram range, you are in rocket range. they are easier to fit and do more dps.
the strength of the hookbill is the ability to shield tank and fit two webs, while still being a fast frigate - you have complete range control on pretty much everyone (except 90% web bonused and perhaps neut frigs)
tl;dr everything you just said made no sense
No sense?
How about this: My range is longer than your range.
Just because rocket range is the same as the web range is not a good reason to use them. Last I checked missiles don't do less damage because their too close.
as for the other, if you're dedicated to 2 webs; as I said you could switch the damage control 2 back to the over priced one above pull the thermal shielding off and fit another webber.
I was using the Dread Guristas web and scram to increase the OP's range from 10K to 13K. his range made him vulnerable to railguns, mine makes it less so.
makes sense to me
I'm not sure if I should be responding to someone whose username is an email address...
But you take a look at a hybrid ship you can spot rails or blasters, hell you can even wait for damage notifications if you don't have time to take a peek first. If they are using rails you move in close and orbit. Vulnerability gone. -
February 22, 2011, 01:32:30 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 333
because when you are in web and scram range, you are in rocket range. they are easier to fit and do more dps.
the strength of the hookbill is the ability to shield tank and fit two webs, while still being a fast frigate - you have complete range control on pretty much everyone (except 90% web bonused and perhaps neut frigs)
tl;dr everything you just said made no sense
No sense?
How about this: My range is longer than your range.
Just because rocket range is the same as the web range is not a good reason to use them. Last I checked missiles don't do less damage because their too close.
as for the other, if you're dedicated to 2 webs; as I said you could switch the damage control 2 back to the over priced one above pull the thermal shielding off and fit another webber.
I was using the Dread Guristas web and scram to increase the OP's range from 10K to 13K. his range made him vulnerable to railguns, mine makes it less so.
makes sense to me
I'm not sure if I should be responding to someone whose username is an email address...
But you take a look at a hybrid ship you can spot rails or blasters, hell you can even wait for damage notifications if you don't have time to take a peek first. If they are using rails you move in close and orbit. Vulnerability gone.
BURNED -
March 31, 2011, 09:02:48 am
Crewman NoviceReputation: 1
Yeah this fit is pretty shit.. Besides, zach is a crappy pilot -
March 31, 2011, 10:57:47 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
Yeah this fit is pretty shit.. Besides, zach is a crappy pilot
And you're a turrible troll. PCAO plax -
April 06, 2011, 10:11:32 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 4
been flying the cheap version of this since day one after dominion +1^100
still prefer dual x5 webs and j5b to keep the losses cheaper xD -
April 10, 2011, 03:29:40 am
CrewmanReputation: 21
Why the Cap rig? I fly the same ship just with 2x Extender Rigs and 1x EM Rig and was 63% Cap Stable. Killed a Dram pilot who was a 2004 Char in mine Man he was pissed.
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April 10, 2011, 09:54:54 am
CommanderReputation: 438
Why the Cap rig? I fly the same ship just with 2x Extender Rigs and 1x EM Rig and was 63% Cap Stable. Killed a Dram pilot who was a 2004 Char in mine
Man he was pissed.
it's a powergrid rig, reading is your friend. -
April 11, 2011, 11:07:58 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 333
Why the Cap rig? I fly the same ship just with 2x Extender Rigs and 1x EM Rig and was 63% Cap Stable. Killed a Dram pilot who was a 2004 Char in mine
Man he was pissed.
it's a powergrid rig, reading is your friend.
I lol'd
speaking of which, I had a brain fart yesterday when my friend mentioned "needing an ACR" in the context of Modern Warfare 2. -
December 24, 2011, 07:48:54 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
You could probably get a few more dps points if you use Dread Guristas thorn rockets. They're a little pricey, but if you're shelling out this much already, why not I suppose? -
December 24, 2011, 08:55:08 am
CommanderReputation: 322
QuoteThey're a little pricey, but if you're shelling out this much already, why not I suppose?
... Because it costs 39 million isk for 500 of them at Jita prices.
That is why not. -
January 16, 2012, 05:46:45 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 46
Edit:
Here's your stats:
ehp: 6537
resists: 38/29.2/46.9/55.8
dps: 129 with navy thorn
speed: 1339 m/s