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dA_hAmbUrglA
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Overtanked for level 4s, and cant do most l5s due to neut towers. Oh and 4.5bil with the crystal set and since my mael does l4s faster than this and costs 150mil I think that deserves a -1
DeathMedic
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Reputation: 6

is it cap stable enough?
Desty
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Reputation: 52

"(Yes the fitment has alot of complex and faction gear but affordable)"
wait......3.5bio Isk? ...affordable? -.-
Steveo74
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Reputation: 125

The fit itself is really cool and the numbers are great. But it IS a lot of isk for what it is. I'm not going to -1 it though like everyone else because I do think it's a cool loadout.
Towkin
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Reputation: 87

The problems with this fit are numerous, but let's take an obvious failure with the fitting:

It is way overtanked for level 4s, and aren't able to tank level 5 missions because of neut towers. (the actual tank is a bit to low for level 5s aswell imo - EDIT: scrap this last thing. I saw he used his Omni-tank number... :-\\)

When you're doing a loadout (for PvE), and the price of the beauty reaches above one billion ISK, consider if it's not possible to use other modules or another ship to get the same effect. In this case, a T3 would be in it's place. Most fittings with a price above a billion can be better if they're on a T3-ship.
Desty
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Reputation: 52

I'll fix that for you:
"But it is a lot too much Isk for what it is". (Also what you get tbh)

i don't have negate this only cause of the price.
My suggestions are:
AB, Large Booster, moar BCU, TP and Salvager =)
AB is worth more than every isk put into factiontankmods
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

Your all pretty retarded, my golem fit is twice that, and I regularly PVP with ships around this price tag, or more.

Stop crying about your wallet when considering a fit, its the most rage inducing retarded thing ever to constantly occur with this forum.

"Im a cheap dirty jew, so I'm going to comment over and over again on what you should and shouldn't do with your money"

What is the fitting on this, i.e CPU and PG?  Your not soloing lvl 5's in this (at any reasonable rate of speed), So what I'm wondering is do you use a cap buddy of some kind for support/dps, or how exactly you work around the neut towers?  Could you swap out the recharger for a medium/small injector?
KILLAMANJARO
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Reputation: 624

Kryus, we can whine about the price tag when the fit is horrid. And by your logic, saying I fit a mach with all officer gear, you wouldn't cry about the price tag, would you now?
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

no, i wouldn't, but we'd probably try to kill it and loot you.


judging a fit bad only based on price is retarded, there's no other word for it.

If pirate implants bother you, then stop reading threads when you see they include them.

Seems pretty easy. 
KILLAMANJARO
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Reputation: 624

Fine, he has 3 pdu's on there, that's why it sucks. happy?
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

No?
KILLAMANJARO
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Reputation: 624

He'll get much more performance out of a passive tank.
Desty
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Reputation: 52

cmon Kry, stop trolling. The title itself is the begin of a horrible fit/explanation.
This fit can't get better only cause of the high prized factionmods. It sucks with T2, so he needs that much factionstuff to make it "useable", n that's fail.
End of story
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

Are you really arguing that fitting a faction tank that doesn't work when its t2 is bad?


Really?

I mean, that looks like the basis of your argument there (pityatypemediumshieldbooosteristhespoiler)
Desty
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Reputation: 52

Yes, i think factionstuff is to IMPROVE a fit, and not to make it flyable.

btw cause of your "pityatypemediumshieldbooosteristhespoilerblabliblablupp",
you noticed that there is a X-Large Booster, right?
Rhetoricus
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Reputation: 0

Due to all the trolling this fitting as i stated in my notes is for "SOME" lvl's 5's which dont have neut towers in them, also i might add this setup works in full T2 and cap stable, yes the numbers arnt as big but it works.

This fitting being compaired to passive tanks and such is stupid. The fitting itself was made for an "OPTION" to take rather than going passive. However if i must go into full detail i have 2 nh's i use one passive fit and this fitment i swtich out as i see fit for "speed" of clearing the missions.

So trolling over the fact is has faction mods, or that its not passive is just stupid lol.

But if you must continue please do so.
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

Yes, i think factionstuff is to IMPROVE a fit, and not to make it flyable.

btw cause of your "pityatypemediumshieldbooosteristhespoilerblabliblablupp",
you noticed that there is a X-Large Booster, right?

Ok, so your saying that all those golems running around with pith a type medium shield boosters are poorly fit, thats my point.

Your arguing that using a faction tank thats unuseable in a t2 version is bad.

I'm countering with the argument that most well fit golems, are running pith a type medium shield boosters, which, oddly enough, will NOT work tank wise in with a t2 medium shield booster.

Basically, I'm telling you your wrong, and that you don't "get faction fits", they are not serving the sole purpose of improving a fit, they allow fits that normally aren't possible, or even functional when in t2 form.
Desty
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Reputation: 52

Lol, you're funny, a Golem with Med Factionbooster IS a Improved fitting, normal BS-Size is X-Large, you know? So maybe it got the same tank but better dps/capstability.
But this one, you know, is ways overtanked for 4s, even with a T2 X-Large it would be. And you can't fly most lvl5 with this, due to heavy neut. Yeah, maybe with backup. But then, why capbackup and not Buffer w/ Shieldbackup? Neut in wrong moment and 3.5bio are gone.
So, once again, it's just a waste of isk.
I only can repeat me:
"AB is worth more than every isk put into factiontankmods"
If you think it's a good thing, just +1 it -.-
KILLAMANJARO
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Reputation: 624

This thread is dead, stop postying kyrus
Grath Telkin
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Reputation: 25

This thread is dead, stop postying kyrus

No?
MINA123
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Reputation: 65

Kryus. I mean no disrespect when saying this. but it must be considered that when you say moaning about price is retared, usually this is true (because usually the ships used a for PvE) however in this case i believe this price is just to high when you consider that other ships (The Golem comes to mind) can do the job better than this with only t2. I have no problems with expensive setups. but i feel you have to take into consideration why people are saying the fit is too expensive.

As for my views I`d use a t2/Faction version of this for LvL4s with TP`s and more BCU`s.
For LvL5`s i`d say roll with a passive tank so you can warp into any of the missions without fer of nuet towers

Nighthawk: LvL 4/5 High end perma tank.

Rhetoricus's Nighthawk built 2010-08-08

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Cap Recharger II
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
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High End Perma-Tank Nighthawk fit, the fitment is used for level 4/5 missions with an effective defence of 952 without impants and with crystal set and some extra hardwires can be increased to 1405. (Yes the fitment has alot of complex and faction gear but affordable)

Shield Boost:
487.2 Boost / 3.2sec (without implants)
748.5 / 3.2sec (with implants)

Damage:
Great DPS and volly also sitting at 545 DPS / 2,371 Volly (5.1sec RoF) Without implants.

593 DPS / 2,489 Volly (4.8sec RoF) With implants.

Note: This is my actually mission fitment and works as said above with very high resistances and very good tank.

Implants:
Slot 1 - 6 (FULL Crystal set)
Slot 7 - Zainou "snapshot" ZMH2000
Slot 8 - Zainou "deadeye" ZMA1000
Slot 9 - Zainou "gnome" KYA2000
Slot 10 - Zainou "deadeye" ZMM1000

Note: Not fully tried yet in all level 5 missions but the ones i have done so far the tank can handle it. (However this is subject to change, do not fully quote me on this for all level 5 missions)

Targeting

Maximum targets 9
Maximum targeting range 100 km
Scan resolution 243.75
Sensor strength 24 0 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 175
Inertia modifier 0.43875
Signature radius 285 m
Cargo capacity 700 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 4069.78 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 3 minutes 3 seconds
Powergrid 723 / 1552.87MW
CPU 607.75 / 700 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 8188.24
Shield recharge time 13 minutes 16 seconds
Shield resistances 75.73% 68.75% 81.25% 87.5%

Armor

Armor hit points 4000
Armor resistances 50% 10% 62.5% 86.25%

Structure

Structure hit points 4625
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 25 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 25 m3
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[Nighthawk, Nighthawk: LvL 4/5 High end perma tank.]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Cap Recharger II
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
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Heavy Missile Launcher II
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Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


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Item Quantity Value
Nighthawk 1 281,421,000
Cap Recharger II 1 437,990
Heavy Missile Launcher II 6 1,000,000
Hornet II 1 259,989
Scourge Fury Heavy Missile 1 289
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 2 1
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1 305,800,000
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster 1 125,211,000
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field 1 77,620,000
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 1 139,883,000
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II 2 15,800,000
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System 3 22,900,900
Total 1,036,935,970
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