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• Mindless Indulgence

  May 24, 2010, 06:25:45 pm

  
  

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  mmmm....expensive. Too expensive.
  
    people will try really hard to kill your ship that costs twice as much as a carrier and will likely drop lots of expensive loot.
• Zen66

  May 24, 2010, 06:33:08 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Mindless Indulgence on May 24, 2010, 06:25:45 pm

  mmmm....expensive. Too expensive.
  

  
  Thank you for your input.  Of course it is expensive.  It is a machariel.  They are expensive.  I did tag this as an expensive fit.
  
  Please put the isk aside - i will be flying a machariel for PVP as that is what i am choosing to do.  Comments on the actual fit?
  
• Alxea

  May 24, 2010, 06:35:58 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Mindless Indulgence on May 24, 2010, 06:25:45 pm

  mmmm....expensive. Too expensive.
  
    people will try really hard to kill your ship that costs twice as much as a carrier and will likely drop lots of expensive loot.
  

  
  It costs more then a carrier, but you'd have to be out of your mind to solo with a carrier without support ships. Atleast pirate faction boats can solo and they are worth it.
• Mindless Indulgence

  May 24, 2010, 06:47:10 pm

  
  

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  Yeah sorry about that obviously its expensive I just dont understand you mach pilots. Looks like you could kill some shit just fine.
• Zen66

  May 24, 2010, 06:50:19 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Mindless Indulgence on May 24, 2010, 06:47:10 pm

  dont understand you mach pilots.
  

  
  HA
  
  Machs are big and cool and fast.  They dwarf most other battleships - i love em
• Nick Parker

  May 24, 2010, 06:58:03 pm

  
  

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  I would worry about a curse with that fit. also low EM resists on sheilds is risky. A 'geddon or a apoc couldn't track you, but a zealot or abso could, and could tank you. Granted most zealots won't be able to tackle you, but a abso could take you out, if you had a bad warp in, or they had a bit of luck.
  Lastly, if your going to tag a ship as expensive, at least put a caldari navy/dg invulnerability field on it. Drop a core defence field extender for a anti-em screen.
  
  EDIT. FOrget what I said about a zealot. It could tank you for a salvo or two. I still think a abso could hold you there long enough for calvary to arrive......if you had a streak of bad luck.
• shenryyr

  May 24, 2010, 07:00:07 pm

  
  

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  selling yourself short by not fitting at least one tracking enhancer
• Zen66

  May 24, 2010, 07:13:44 pm

  
  

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  Nick - I agree about the Caldari IE Field, and will make that change for sure.  I agree on the risks about going up against certain ships.  I really would prefer to have a small gang with me to assist with webbing the target and to lay down additional dps to kill the targets quicker.  I defo will be flying 'safeish' with this.
  
  Shenryyr, I was looking at a TE or maybe even a tracking computer in the Mid's (maybe drop the LSE II??)  What do you think?  Take a hit to the DPS with a TE or a hit to the buffer with computer?  What do other people think on the tracking?  Will the 800's need tracking help at nearly 2000 m/s?
  
  Keep these comments coming - this is helping a lot
• Darquesun

  May 24, 2010, 07:21:16 pm

  
  

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  not really....i fly a 4 billion isk Nightmare for pvp....this isnt all that expensive imo....
• Cixelsyd13

  May 24, 2010, 07:36:02 pm

  
  

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  If you add tracking enhancers to the lows you can orbit and kill stuff from a lot further.
• Mad Hops

  May 24, 2010, 08:57:03 pm

  
  

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  Looks great. I may go with with a DG invul, but overall it looks good. +1
• Zen66

  May 24, 2010, 10:09:48 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Cixelsyd13 on May 24, 2010, 07:36:02 pm

  If you add tracking enhancers to the lows you can orbit and kill stuff from a lot further.
  

  
  For the purpose of this fit, I don't really need any additional range, as it would then be outside of my Warp Disrupter and Heavy Neut range.
  I am interested however to see if put a tracking mod on will infact allow me to lay down more DPS onto the target whilst in my orbit
• Corollax

  May 24, 2010, 11:23:16 pm

  
  

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  If you've got the guts to fly the thing, this is how I'd do it...
  
  Balls of steel, I swear.
• Krinkles619

  May 24, 2010, 11:45:51 pm

  
  

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  i would drop the DCII for a faction TE then drop an OIS for another nanofiber... this ship's strong point is that it can move really freakin' fast and can align like a cruiser.
  
  if you're worried about the massive drop in ehp don't be; the fact that you've been caught and you're out of shields means you're dead and butt-raped anyway so the DCII isn't going to help any more than a plate or something equally useless
• dA_hAmbUrglA

  May 25, 2010, 06:30:22 am

  
  

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  Totally understand the concept of it, but if, perchance, you are about to take on 2 close range gank bses (which in theory you would be able to) and a vigil/other fast frig warps in and scrams you... Well.... Its bye bye 1.5bil machariel.
  800s wont need tracking help vs other bses (I'm guessing) but if you're trying to take a skilled cruiser pilot, I wouldn't count on them hitting him with no tracking mods.
  
  If you've got balls of steel though, then go for it. +1
• Nick Parker

  May 25, 2010, 04:05:28 pm

  
  

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  OOC what sort of fall off and range you getting? And I agree with Krinkles about dropping the OIS for a nano. You want the agaility and will get a speed increase. As for dropping the DCU for a TE that is up to you. Granted your going to get better hits against cruisers, but I like having a DCU2 on. Helps your shield resists, and if it came down to the wire, it does make a difference.
  
  Still waiting on you to switch the IF for a cal navy/dg IF so I can give you a +1
• Zen66

  May 25, 2010, 05:23:23 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Nick Parker on May 25, 2010, 04:05:28 pm

  Still waiting on you to switch the IF for a cal navy/dg IF so I can give you a +1
  

  
  Changed loadout to show the CN IF.
  
  The range with RF Phased Plasma is 3km + 36km 
  
  I am looking into dropping an OIS for a nano.  The effects on stats are:
  
  2 x OIS and 1 x Nano = 1978 m/s and 9.8sec align
  2 x Nano and 1 x OIS = 1930 m/s and 8.5sec align
  
  My honest preference would be to keep the DCUII - BUT i have had few conversations in reference to dropping it for a TE - maybe the way to go, but am still unsure.
  
  Also, a friend actually suggested dropping the LSE II for a True Sansha web, to help me keep range against multiple targets.  Thoughts on that?
• Amarrian Cynicism

  May 25, 2010, 06:27:14 pm

  
  

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  I hate to say this, but drop the damage control and fit up a tracking enhancer. Play at your optimal ranges and stay out of scramming range and this ship would murder a lot of things. It's a really knifes edge fitting, but I like that. +1
• Raelyf

  May 25, 2010, 06:38:08 pm

  
  

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  Fit 2x Gyro, 2x TE, 2x Nano in your low. Downgrade the MWD to a T2 - the ridiculously expensive one isn't doing anything for you, considering the only thing your running that takes significant cap is the mwd AND you have a heavy booster. Use the cash to buy a set of snakes if you feel like the extra 150m/s from losing the ODs is going to matter. Ditch the shield extender for another invul field (more EHP, +overloading).
  
  A couple of tracking enhancers make all the difference in the world.
• Zen66

  May 25, 2010, 07:23:14 pm

  
  

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  Hey Raelyf - I think the X-Type MWD is a win tbh.  Is causes significantly less penalty to your sig radius (+411% compared with +500%) and, not only does it have less activation cost (600 against 792) it has 0 penalty to your capacitor capacity (T2 has a -17% amount).  With regards to cap, the Heavy Neut does take a fair amount to run coupled with the MWD.  With replacing the MWD with the T2 variant, I instantly lose the cap stability (yes i know this is PVP and not PVE, but, I see it as a massive benefit to have the cap stability, especially as I not sacrificing too much in any other area to have so) with cap lasting 8mins - if I were to then also add the 2nd Invuln Field (which i do like the idea of ) cap then goes down to 6mins or 4mins 45 with my skills. - so that is my reasoning behind that.  (Also X-Type is 160mil on contracts atm - so not that expensive)
  
  I would think that I would keep the 3rd Gyro to keep my DPS above the 1000 mark, but as it is becoming clear, I do need to fit a TE, so I guess it is bye bye to one of the OIS
  
  
• archiebald hornby

  June 13, 2010, 12:21:45 pm

  
  

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  i recently came up against these alot with my allaince. using a nano gang with vaga's n cynbabals. these ships are massively effective, i like this fitting alot.
  
  seems to fill the criteria i used when fitting mine. and in reply to those saying it is more expensive, in an active ppv environment. every pvper knows, the more you spend the more you get from your ship.
  
  i would recommend that anyone who can afford to faction fit a mach not to buy one, the risk of losing it is already great enough, if not stick to a nano phoon or something else.
  
  but 2-4 bil to a 0.0 pvper is nothing,
  
  nice fit
• Zen66

  June 29, 2010, 05:35:33 pm

  
  

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  This loadout has been updated
• Zen66

  June 29, 2010, 05:37:46 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Zen66 on June 29, 2010, 05:35:33 pm

  This loadout has been updated - details of edit in the loadout description
  
• DoomspikE

  June 30, 2010, 01:38:52 pm

  
  

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  Expensive, as any faction battleship should be, and ridiculous stats, as any faction battleship should have. Of course it's gonna get primaried, of course there's certain things that would spell bad news for this, but overall, great fit! Mean, fast, and hard hitting. If you're gonna fly faction, I definitely feel you should go all the way and faction/deadspace fit. Well done. +1
• Leyo

  September 06, 2010, 03:56:53 am

  
  

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  i don't agree with speed tank for bs size. neither for the cruiser size btw.
  I did test it on those ships since i left the dramiel in station. Speed only allows you to escape the fight, it will never reduce considerably the damage you take on Angel cartel ships since it's not a dramiel.
  NOt convinced by a passive tank on those ships, i started to think about active tank (but with faction stuff of course); then i saw the last el'tar video, and throw off the snake implant for crystals one. And i must admit that i don't miss speed at all.
  so mix the distance and the active tank and you can tank largely more than if you orbit targets with a macha. Also, your dps will increase considerably.
• proud182

  December 06, 2010, 10:10:00 am

  
  

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  OMG Darwin fit
• Zen66

  December 06, 2010, 04:59:50 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: proud182 on December 06, 2010, 10:10:00 am

  OMG Darwin fit
  

  Darwin fit?  Nice -1 for no reason
• LailaK

  January 02, 2011, 12:28:58 am

  
  

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  I'm really not sure how you expect to speed tank with a BS when your sig over 2km wide. Even a vaga can be hit by a BS with autocannons because of the huge sig radius from a MWD, and it orbits twice as fast as your fit's maximum speed, with half (ideally much less than half) the sig radius. With the MWD on people will be landing wrecking blows on you pretty easily and that's the opposite of speed tanking.
  
  MWD on BS are for closing into tackle range, or kiting, not for speed tanking.
• Mad Hops

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  Quote from: LailaK on January 02, 2011, 12:28:58 am

  I'm really not sure how you expect to speed tank with a BS when your sig over 2km wide. Even a vaga can be hit by a BS with autocannons because of the huge sig radius from a MWD, and it orbits twice as fast as your fit's maximum speed, with half (ideally much less than half) the sig radius. With the MWD on people will be landing wrecking blows on you pretty easily and that's the opposite of speed tanking.
  
  MWD on BS are for closing into tackle range, or kiting, not for speed tanking.
  

  
  Speed tanking is not the same as sig tanking. The point of the mwd in this case is to keep range, making blasters and many AC's useless. This ship can effectively use all of its dps at 20km or more, so this will destroy anything it can orbit. If you want to sig tank, use a cruiser in an AHAC gang.
• LailaK

  January 06, 2011, 11:18:22 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Mad Hops on January 02, 2011, 09:29:05 am

  Quote from: LailaK on January 02, 2011, 12:28:58 am

  I'm really not sure how you expect to speed tank with a BS when your sig over 2km wide. Even a vaga can be hit by a BS with autocannons because of the huge sig radius from a MWD, and it orbits twice as fast as your fit's maximum speed, with half (ideally much less than half) the sig radius. With the MWD on people will be landing wrecking blows on you pretty easily and that's the opposite of speed tanking.
  
  MWD on BS are for closing into tackle range, or kiting, not for speed tanking.
  

  
  Speed tanking is not the same as sig tanking. The point of the mwd in this case is to keep range, making blasters and many AC's useless. This ship can effectively use all of its dps at 20km or more, so this will destroy anything it can orbit. If you want to sig tank, use a cruiser in an AHAC gang.
  

  
  I must misunderstand the meaning of the term then, since when I hear speed tanking I think of dramiels and vagas orbiting their targets to keep a high radial velocity. Using speed to keep distance I've always seen referred to as kiting as it is in other games when you're maintaining distance between yourself and your target.
  
  Oh well, my bad. For kiting, yeah, the MWD on a machariel is great.
• Mad Hops

  January 06, 2011, 11:43:26 am

  
  

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  Quote from: LailaK on January 06, 2011, 11:18:22 am

  Quote from: Mad Hops on January 02, 2011, 09:29:05 am

  Quote from: LailaK on January 02, 2011, 12:28:58 am

  I'm really not sure how you expect to speed tank with a BS when your sig over 2km wide. Even a vaga can be hit by a BS with autocannons because of the huge sig radius from a MWD, and it orbits twice as fast as your fit's maximum speed, with half (ideally much less than half) the sig radius. With the MWD on people will be landing wrecking blows on you pretty easily and that's the opposite of speed tanking.
  
  MWD on BS are for closing into tackle range, or kiting, not for speed tanking.
  

  
  Speed tanking is not the same as sig tanking. The point of the mwd in this case is to keep range, making blasters and many AC's useless. This ship can effectively use all of its dps at 20km or more, so this will destroy anything it can orbit. If you want to sig tank, use a cruiser in an AHAC gang.
  

  
  I must misunderstand the meaning of the term then, since when I hear speed tanking I think of dramiels and vagas orbiting their targets to keep a high radial velocity. Using speed to keep distance I've always seen referred to as kiting as it is in other games when you're maintaining distance between yourself and your target.
  
  Oh well, my bad. For kiting, yeah, the MWD on a machariel is great.
  

  
  Yeah, dramiels and vagabonds do speed tank (kiting), and they can also sig tank, since they're small. But with blown up sigs from shield tanking and using mwd's, sig tanking isn't the correct term. Speed tank refers to speed and radial velocity, not sig radius management.