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• Kushan

  April 01, 2010, 11:09:43 pm

  
  

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  you need sentries, and lots of them.  heavy drones do more dps on paper but in practice the dps is much lower- their dps vs a lot of things sub-bs is bad, and they have to fly to the target (slow)
  
  I'd switch out the drone nav for omni link
  
  switch out the gun for a maser or civ laser
  
  the rest of the fit doesn't matter a whole lot so long as you avoid dying.  i did it with 2x eanm, dcu, and 1 rep... cos I'm far too lazy to switch hardeners
• Short_Round

  April 01, 2010, 11:20:07 pm

  
  

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• sabre906

  April 01, 2010, 11:25:36 pm

  
  

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  Consider losing dc for another hardner, or cap. A drone link could be useful. Sentry is a good idea, but Omni link not very useful, Sentries track large targets fine, small drones take care of small targets, and a fast Ishtar with ab can scoop and redeploy if necessary. Sentry damage rig would be more useful. Instead of a civ blaster, a functional short range gun may be useful for orbiting frigates, if there's spare room left for fitting, may save you the hassle of scooping sentry/heavy and deploy smalls for them.
• Short_Round

  April 01, 2010, 11:27:39 pm

  
  

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  Thanks for the info Kushan. I swapped out the drone nav for omni link and added some Garde IIs. If possible, could you explain why I should switch out the gun for a maser or civ laser? Just curious what was wrong with the railgun. (I originally added it just to grab aggro). Sabre are you suggesting I drop the aux nano pump or the ccc for the sentry damage rig? Also don't have the cpu (did you see that coming?) for a drone link augment if I want to keep the tractors/salvagers (which I would prefer).
• sabre906

  April 01, 2010, 11:32:42 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Short_Round on April 01, 2010, 11:27:39 pm

  Thanks for the info Kushan. I swapped out the drone nav for omni link and added some Garde IIs. If possible, could you explain why I should switch out the gun for a maser or civ laser? (Just curious what was wrong with the railgun.)
  

  
  Nothing wrong with it. It's for saving ammo and fitting room, I suppose. If it's just for aggroing, it's as good as anything else. Although if you have spare fitting room that's wasted anyway, consider a short range functional gun with good tracking that can hit the annoying frigates.
  
  As for rig, that's your choice. Tbh it doesn't make a whole lot of difference which one you drop, or just keep it as is, which is fine too. Typical tradeoff between defence and offense.
• Short_Round

  April 01, 2010, 11:40:46 pm

  
  

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  Switched out 125mm railgun for light ion blaster II
• Sendell

  April 02, 2010, 12:31:29 am

  
  

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  -1 as it doesn't have enough drone upgrades. Level 4 efficiency is all about maximising real DPS. If you're using sentries then you need at least two omnis and a sentry damage rig or two. For heavies you need at least two navcomps and an Omni, preferably two. AB and mission knowledge takes care of the rest of the tank.
• Short_Round

  April 02, 2010, 12:47:31 am

  
  

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  This loadout has been updated
  
  Thanks for the advice Sendell. This is now a purely sentry drone ishtar. as per previous comments above to drop the heavies and go for sentries instead. had to drop one each of tractor/salvager because of crap cpu on ishtar. 525 dps now with ~580 m/s. Pardon my newbness to loadouts.
  
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• Sendell

  April 02, 2010, 12:56:34 am

  
  

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  Yeah, looks better. +1
• Short_Round

  April 02, 2010, 01:01:08 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Sendell on April 02, 2010, 01:56:34 am

  Yeah, looks better. +1
  

  
  Thank you. Sendell, do you have any suggestions on the low slots? I think I want to keep the 2 EANMs, but is there something else I could put in place of the hardener or leave as is?
• Kushan

  April 02, 2010, 01:02:45 am

  
  

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  maser for low fitting requirements and no ammo, I am lazy
  
  omni is huge for sentries.  Why?  A lot of BS will orbit in Garde falloff, reducing your DPS.  With 2 omnis your optimal is 40km-ish.  Also, Gardes have pretty awesome tracking and can even  hit close-orbiting cruisers.  However, they won't do full DPS... but omni increases the actual DPS they can do to smaller orbiting targets. 
  
  You will want some small drones too, for pesky frigs, the occasional cruiser gardes can't hit (mercs) and for the fly-between-gates missions where you don't want to drop sentries right away. 
• Sendell

  April 02, 2010, 01:05:57 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Short_Round on April 02, 2010, 01:01:08 am

  Quote from: Sendell on April 02, 2010, 01:56:34 am

  Yeah, looks better. +1
  

  
  Thank you. Sendell, do you have any suggestions on the low slots? I think I want to keep the 2 EANMs, but is there something else I could put in place of the hardener or leave as is?
  

  Maybe could do with a CPR instead of an EANM. It's more important for your tank to keep the AB running than it is for high resists, and you don't want to cap out on that repper either.
• Short_Round

  April 02, 2010, 01:13:50 am

  
  

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  Just fyi this build is stable at 31%, but if I drop 1 EANM for a CPR II, I can easily change out the ccc for another sentry damage rig to be cap stable at 48% with 568 dps but my ehp drops to 19.5k. Thoughts?
• Sendell

  April 02, 2010, 01:22:01 am

  
  

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  Sounds good as long as you're properly cap stable. Usually that means 39%+ in reality.
• Mad Hops

  April 02, 2010, 05:57:06 am

  
  

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  Looks pretty good. Just a few things to say:
  
  Don't omni tank. Use mission specific hardeners (3 of them). Drop the damage control for either a nanofiber internal structure or a CPR so you can drop a cap recharger for a drone navigation computer or something else.  OR even drop the damage control for a CPR and drop the CCC for another sentry drone augmentor.
• sabre906

  April 02, 2010, 10:14:52 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Kushan on April 02, 2010, 01:02:45 am

  maser for low fitting requirements and no ammo, I am lazy
  
  omni is huge for sentries.  Why?  A lot of BS will orbit in Garde falloff, reducing your DPS.  With 2 omnis your optimal is 40km-ish.  Also, Gardes have pretty awesome tracking and can even  hit close-orbiting cruisers.  However, they won't do full DPS... but omni increases the actual DPS they can do to smaller orbiting targets. 
  
  You will want some small drones too, for pesky frigs, the occasional cruiser gardes can't hit (mercs) and for the fly-between-gates missions where you don't want to drop sentries right away. 
  

  
  You don't need 2 omnis. The rats orbit your ship, not your sentries. AB is part of the tank for an Ishtar. Staying still next to your drones and it may not have enough tank for harder lvl4s or if they accidentally hit a trigger. Sentry does instant dps. Neither the extra tracking or range is necessary. Garde is not the only one to use, it's just happen to be the one with least range. It's better to change drones according to rat type. Sentry is at a stage where drones of different factions became more balanced, and even Amar drones become viable.
  
  Instead of dropping more tank for a second sentry damage rig, drop an omni for one. And yeah, time to lose the dc for a specific hardner.
• Sendell

  April 02, 2010, 11:29:06 am

  
  

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  The Omni also increases the optimal significantly though, so it is pretty useful.
• Short_Round

  April 02, 2010, 11:53:49 am

  
  

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  This loadout has been updated
  
  Ok made the changes that you all suggested, and after getting the damage ratios put into eft for various factions I think I've finally got a good fit. My original dps is up from 490 --> 568, plus my EHP jumped about 10k (for Serpentis as an example), and 42% cap stable.
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• Mad Hops

  April 02, 2010, 12:15:15 pm

  
  

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  Yup, basically a cheap version of the recommended version.
  
  Ishtar: Lvl 4 max sentry
  

  

  
  
  I could have just linked this, but I figured I'd explain all of the changes first.