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Crunchbite36
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With therm/kin hardeners you should have no problems tanking a serp mission.
xXClideXx
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Also small note:
Right now I have maxed skills for t2 heavy missile launchers (was for my drake) but soon I will train for t2 heavy assault missiles
Magnarion
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Looks okay, but 1 Gist B Small might not be enough to rep up the occasional web/heavy dmg from certain missions. I used to the a setup similar to yours (dual Gist B Boosters), until i went for a single Medium complex booster. Its up to personal preference I guess ;)

Also, the TP cycling time is annoying! But since you mentioned youre going for HAMs, then its okay. Mine is fitted with Rigors and as such i cant switch out for HAMs for the occasional close combat fights...

Still good, abit different from the rest, +1
Mike712
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Reputation: 781

Loose the target painters, fit rigor catalyst rigs and invest in a second pith B-type small booster.

[Tengu, Tengu - Cheap - Heavy Missiles]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

This fit is cap stable with the implants 'Squire' CC4 and CR4 and tanks 450-500 DPS with faction specific resists.
xXClideXx
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Reputation: 2

Loose the target painters, fit rigor catalyst rigs and invest in a second pith B-type small booster.

[Tengu, Tengu - Cheap - Heavy Missiles]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

This fit is cap stable with the implants 'Squire' CC4 and CR4 and tanks 450-500 DPS with faction specific resists.

I do like your fitting however quick question. Why not drop the cap recharger for a TP and switch a rigor rig for a CCC? would keep tank but u cud kill frigs easier. Should still b cap stable too
Mike712
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Reputation: 781

I have a feeling rigor rigs are more effective than target painters and of course you don't have to deal with the 10 second cycle time.
Mad Hops
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Reputation: 1036

I have a feeling rigor rigs are more effective than target painters and of course you don't have to deal with the 10 second cycle time.

I agree here, though if you're in a typhoon or raven or something, tp's would also help drones a bit. So I might personally use TP's on a BS. But since you have no drones here, rigors are just easier. Also, how does the gist c-type medium shield booster compare in defence, cost, and cap to dual smalls?
xXClideXx
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Reputation: 2

I have a feeling rigor rigs are more effective than target painters and of course you don't have to deal with the 10 second cycle time.

I agree here, though if you're in a typhoon or raven or something, tp's would also help drones a bit. So I might personally use TP's on a BS. But since you have no drones here, rigors are just easier. Also, how does the gist c-type medium shield booster compare in defence, cost, and cap to dual smalls?

Those are semi hard to find. The reason I go dual is because it helps with power grid and cpu problems
Mike712
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Reputation: 781

They are less than 350 mil on contracts, about the same as 2 pith B-type boosters, combine the C-type with a t2 boost amp and you get a stronger tank than with dual small boosters.
xXClideXx
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KilllRot
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Reputation: 4

The thing about Target Painters on a Tengu is that, the Tengu has a ridiculous missile ROF. Quite often you will find yourself "waiting" for your TP to catch up with your kill target due to the cycle time.

Keep in kind TPs also require cap (very little but its still cap :P), what you couldve done is fill your rig slots with Rigor rigs, and the med slots for Shieldboost amp since youre already using the amp subsystem. That leaves you with 1 more "free" medium slot, where you can either put in a cap recharger, another Photon Hardener (for omni missions like WC), a web? or even another TP. But bewarned tho, fitting 3 Rigor rigs can be quite taxing on CPU.


However, with that being said, again its personal preference. They are both just as effective when it comes to killing things in level 4 missions.
Mike712
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Reputation: 781

loose the bay loading accelerator, it only gives 10 DPS after stacking with 4 BCU's.

If you're only going to use 1 booster it needs to be a pith A-tupe med or you are going to struggle for tank, that means fitting t2 rigs also:

The Right Way to Fit a Tengu

xXClideXx
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Reputation: 2

loose the bay loading accelerator, it only gives 10 DPS after stacking with 4 BCU's.

If you're only going to use 1 booster it needs to be a pith A-tupe med or you are going to struggle for tank, that means fitting t2 rigs also:

The Right Way to Fit a Tengu



My problem with this is that it needs a 1% PG implant. I already have that slot filled with a 5% cap implant. I really want a fitting like that but with a different shield booster to keep from needing that implant (and preferably t2 rigs)
xXClideXx
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Also note that this set-up would be used in fairly 'light' level 4 missions. The idea is ones without a lot of BS or something along those lines. What would cross my mind is a lot of the drone missions and just other BS light missions
xXClideXx
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Any suggestions?
lcasado
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Reputation: 0

This is my current Tengu fit. It screams thru level 4's and has plenty of tank.

vicror
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Reputation: 123

This is my current Tengu fit. It screams thru level 4's and has plenty of tank.


with a sig rad that big might as well be in a bs.  how you plan on repping w/o sb?
vicror
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Reputation: 123

this looked pretty good.  I'm not any kind of expert with missiles to know if rigor or tp work best.
Tengu PVE 800/800 DPS
lcasado
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re: vicror

I havent been in a level 4 yet that got my shields down below 59%, with that high of res and 230k ehp it takes them a loooong time to chew thru, just switch out the em hardner for mission specific one or drop the em hardner and go with a gist "a" type med and still be cap stable with a "eft def" of 500 but it drops your ehp down to 172k. I do agree with you about the sig rad tho, chaulk that up to the t2 missilies, lse II, and rigs...cheers
xXClideXx
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Reputation: 2

I'm pretty sure that the fit right now should work for the lighter level 4 missions that I will use it for. With the speed, the sig radius, and a tank of around 250 it should be enough. The gank should be enough to take out the initial large dps plus you will be moving so fast that BS can barely hit you.
vicror
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Reputation: 123

re: vicror

I havent been in a level 4 yet that got my shields down below 59%, with that high of res and 230k ehp it takes them a loooong time to chew thru, just switch out the em hardner for mission specific one or drop the em hardner and go with a gist "a" type med and still be cap stable with a "eft def" of 500 but it drops your ehp down to 172k. I do agree with you about the sig rad tho, chaulk that up to the t2 missilies, lse II, and rigs...cheers
no rigor rigs or tp is crap.  even if you can tank it.  isn't it better to be able to kill the rats faster?  that's the main goal of any mission boat. 
xXClideXx
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with HAMs you cant use rigor rigs...
lcasado
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vicror, as i said before, this set up screams thru lvl 4's, i ahve never used tp's, i know they help alot with heavies and toprs, but hams cycle so fast i dont have any problems. 
greengimp
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vicror, as i said before, this set up screams thru lvl 4's, i ahve never used tp's, i know they help alot with heavies and toprs, but hams cycle so fast i dont have any problems.

^^ is just ignorant logic

The Rof of has nothing to due with weather or not a TP is going to help you, sure a faster RoF means you might have a few unbonused volleys here and there, but TP's still make a huge difference
Aurora2012
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Reputation: 1

I use the Gistum A-Type Med Booster with a Pith A-Type Amplifier. The Gistum reps a lot less than the Pithum Booster but is a lot better on cap. If you use the Gistum you can then fit 2 CCC and 1 Rigor Rig and the TP, so you do max dmg to frigs.
xXClideXx
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I use the Gistum A-Type Med Booster with a Pith A-Type Amplifier. The Gistum reps a lot less than the Pithum Booster but is a lot better on cap. If you use the Gistum you can then fit 2 CCC and 1 Rigor Rig and the TP, so you do max dmg to frigs.

I was going to do this but I could not find that shield booster in the contracts when I was going to buy the fitting, so I came up with this instead, and this does damn near close or maybe max dmg to frigs anyway

lvl 4 tengu

xXClideXx's Tengu built 2010-01-01

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Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
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Could still use some EFT stats if someone is willing

I know this is similar to a lot of other tengu set-up  but I guess my big question is if this is enough tank for level 4's?

If this has enough tank then i think this cud b a nice ship to go with my cruise cnr.

Thanks for any help

Edit------
Due to Mike's advice I took out the TP's and 2 CCC's and added another pith b-type shield booster, a cap recharger, and 2 rigor rigs
Super Edit-----
-Switched to heavy assault missiles even though I can't use them I decided that heavy missiles just didn't do enough dps anyway
- So because of that I switched the rigs as well. One to increase ROF and another CCC
- Took out a cap recharger and added a TP. Cap can be made up by using CR8 and CC8 implants
- Switched back to one shield boost but upgraded to pith a-type small
-Should still be cap stable and all that
Edit-----
-still trying to get the right fitting..
-switched out the acceleration bay for an anti-EM rig to help with tank

Targeting

Maximum targets 5
Maximum targeting range 117.1875 km
Scan resolution 293.75
Sensor strength 35 0 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 647.13
Inertia modifier 0.26123
Signature radius 154.28 m
Cargo capacity 0 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 2070.31 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 3 minutes 50 seconds
Powergrid 675.2 / 750MW
CPU 478 / 635 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 4562.5
Shield recharge time 20 minutes 22 seconds
Shield resistances 65.08% 78.93% 87.36% 91.57%

Armor

Armor hit points 3062.5
Armor resistances 50% 10% 62.5% 86.25%

Structure

Structure hit points 2076.25
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 0 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 0 m3
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[Tengu, lvl 4 tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Item Quantity Value
Tengu 1 157,588,000
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile 1 69
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 4 89,162,000
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner 1 62,739,000
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field 2 303,001,000
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster 1 97,042,000
Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile 1 31
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II 6 999,980
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node 1 53,749,000
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 1 50,900,000
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 58,129,700
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay 1 58,144,000
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 1 55,000,000
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I 1 375,000
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 1 1,500,000
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 1 119,615
Republic Fleet Target Painter 2 22,850,000
Total 1,609,636,295
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