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• sangren

  November 29, 2009, 01:14:44 pm

  
  

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  rigor rigs, target painter, 3 BCUs and 2 flux coil
• Mike712

  November 29, 2009, 02:04:54 pm

  
  

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  Here's my fit:
  
  Raven Navy Issue: (Faux Golem)
  

  

  
  
  It works pretty much just as well with t1 rigs and t2 hardeners and damage mods.
  
  Lose the smartbomb it'll only get you concorded.
  
  Use Gallente light and medium drones.
• vicror

  November 29, 2009, 02:26:14 pm

  
  

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  I recently sold my cnr that I had for about 1.5 yrs.  It was fitted and used as the one I posted(carebears wet dream).  Similar to yours with 3x ccc rig, 1 being t2.  Still trying to decide if I will buy another one or not.  Would give the rigor rigs a try next time.
• Comodore John

  November 29, 2009, 03:03:55 pm

  
  

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  Another fit:
  
  Raven Navy Issue: Minimum CNR L4 setup
  

  
• Wicked-Prayer

  November 29, 2009, 03:45:49 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Comodore John on November 29, 2009, 03:03:55 pm

  Another fit:
  
  Raven Navy Issue: Minimum CNR L4 setup
  

  

  
  

  
  This, however i have semi conductors n CDcap safes for rigs and a navy booster + amps
• Sarah Norbulk

  November 29, 2009, 04:01:51 pm

  
  

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  You at least need a target painter or rigor rigs after the Apocrypha changes to cruise missiles, preferably both.
  
  Should have at least 3 damage mods as well.
• Phoenic

  December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  
  

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  People fitting two shield boost amplifiers - Just no! This doesn't increase your hitpoints as another invul would and gives you no extra defence than it either.
  People with 4 ballistic control units - On my stats the 3rd one adds +50, the 4th gives about +7, worth it? Not really imo.
  
  My smartbomb would only get me concorded if someone was cloaked within 5k of me during a mission in which i'm swarmed by drones as thats the only time I use it. (And its not a big rangey one) Potentially drone augmentor will become a lot more useful with the extra drone cap of the CNR with dominion changes. Only about 5days training from a full load of heavy t2's.
  
  
  A 200mil fit to a 500mil ship, with only 3minutes of cap sounds like you should be using a normal raven not the CNR. Thought I made it pretty clear what type of fit this was and the defense would be staying guys, I asked for improvements maintaining defense/cap stability that could increase DPS but apparently you were all to interested in voicing your own opinions to help.
  
  Target painter is about the only useful advice you've given. Or maybe just no-one bothered to read the initial comments?
• Phoenic

  December 01, 2009, 07:08:32 am

  
  

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  Actually to be fair I will mention, thanks Mike I like the faux golem and its one of the fits I noticed months ago when I was starting out on the path to CNR.
  
  The only thing i'm hesitant to do is rely on implants to give me the stat boosts required to maintain cap stability as they reduce flexibility with different ships etc, but i've not really utilised my extra implant slots yet so I may look into it. Also i'm a while away from being able to afford another CN invul fields
• Mike712

  December 01, 2009, 07:11:54 am

  
  

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  Just no! This doesn't increase your hitpoints as another invul would and gives you no extra defence than it either.

  
  No, your wrong, EHP is irrelevant, the SBA gives more extra tank at less cap use.
  
  CNR's without rigor rigs are pretty rubbish, and I've flow both so I know the difference is astonishing, combine that with only having 2 BCUs and it's pretty much a fail fit.
  
  So fit rigor rigs and a 3rd BCU...seriously.
  
  Also you only need to worry about cap stability if you disconnect or crash allot, 3 mins of cap is fine there is absolutely no need to perma run an XL booster.
  
  If you want to stay cap stable use my fit.
  
  Also about the smartbomb, it will get you killed, there are these things in mission plexes(small collideable objects) basically space junk and it can be hard to see, for some unbeknown reason concord doesn't like you shooting at this floating space trash and they will blow you up for doing so.
  
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• greengimp

  December 01, 2009, 07:48:43 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Phoenic on December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  People fitting two shield boost amplifiers - Just no! This doesn't increase your hitpoints as another invul would and gives you no extra defence than it either.
  

  
  You are right in that fitting a shield boost amp doesn't increase your hitpoints, that is because that is what LSE's do.  What a shield boost amp will do though is increase the amount of hp your shield booster gives you per rep.  Having 2 of them will indeed give you a better tank, if you don't believe this try putting it in eft, it will show you what everyone is telling you.
  
  

  Quote from: Phoenic on December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  People with 4 ballistic control units - On my stats the 3rd one adds +50, the 4th gives about +7, worth it? Not really imo.
  

  
  For one thing you should be using faction BCU's, there is no reason not to as they are pretty cheap, they provide a good increase in damage and you are flying a half bil isk ship.
  
  Don't know where you are getting your numbers from but a 4th CN BCU is going to give you an extra 6.7% missile dps.  Depending on your skills it should give an extra 25-40 dps.
  
  

  Quote from: Phoenic on December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  My smartbomb would only get me concorded if someone was cloaked within 5k of me during a mission in which i'm swarmed by drones as thats the only time I use it. (And its not a big rangey one) Potentially drone augmentor will become a lot more useful with the extra drone cap of the CNR with dominion changes. Only about 5days training from a full load of heavy t2's.
  

  
  
  Either a tractor or drone link is going to be far better than a smartbomb.  As soon as someone scans this ship and realizes that you are missioning in with a smartbomb in a CNR they are going to scan you out and cloak up in range of you for when you turn on your bomb.  At least that is what I would do as it is an easy way to get some free loot from someone.
  
  Not to mention the number of missions that the smartbomb is actually going to be useful is very small.
  
  

  Quote from: Phoenic on December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  A 200mil fit to a 500mil ship, with only 3minutes of cap sounds like you should be using a normal raven not the CNR.
  

  
  Just so you know 3 mins of cap on a properly gank fit CNR really is overkill.  The amount of incoming dps a CNR can knock out in 3 mins is simply ridiculous.  If you need to pulse a booster for longer than 3 mins when running a gank ship in L4's you need to learn how to pull agro and get your kill orders fixed as you are doing something wrong to need more tank than that.
  
  Also if you are going to fit a CNR like this, you might want to consider going back to a normal raven.
  
  

  Quote from: Phoenic on December 01, 2009, 07:03:51 am

  Thought I made it pretty clear what type of fit this was and the defense would be staying guys, I asked for improvements maintaining defense/cap stability that could increase DPS but apparently you were all to interested in voicing your own opinions to help.
  

  
  The problem here is that you are over tanked, anything over 500 dps tank is just a waste, for people that know what they are doing anything over 400 dps is a waste.
  
  The more dps you do the less you need to tank, this is true because dead rats don't hurt you.  Not to mention that more dps on your ship means more isk/hr you are going to make.
  
  DC's on pve shield tankers are pretty much useless.  This is because damage mods or cap mods are in the end going to help you much more than a DC ever could.  Damage mods are going to help your dps which is always good and cap mods are going to let you boost longer which in the end should give you more tank than a DC (and X-L boosters are not meant to be perma-run).
  
  As far as hardeners go, either use 2 mission specific and 1 invuln or 2 CN invulns.  Then put on as many shield boost amps as you want (should have at least 1 and 2 is good if you want more tank).  You should never have 4 or more hardeners on a ship as it is just going to give you a smaller tank.
  
  To give an example of this, if you replace the T2 invuln on your current fit with a CN shield boost amp, your tank would go up to 648 but you will use less cap.  If you where running a non-cap stable tank (which is what you should be doing with that booster) the extra cap would let you boost a little longer.
  
  Keeping most of the tanking mods you have on here already this is what you should prolly be doing, or something close to it:
  
  [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1]
  Power Diagnostic System II
  Ballistic Control System II
  Ballistic Control System II
  Ballistic Control System II
  Ballistic Control System II
  
  Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
  Photon Scattering Field II
  Heat Dissipation Field II
  Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
  Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
  Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
  
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
  [empty high slot]
  
  Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
  Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
  Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
  
  Hammerhead II x5
  
  
  Your current fit only does 459 missile dps while this one would do 545 dps and with the addition of the rigor rigs you are going to almost twice the damage to smaller ships which is huge in terms of mission completion times.  If you go get CN BCU's (which you should) your dps would go up to 580.
  
  As for the tank it has a 567 omni tank and the cap last for 6 minutes.  This is way longer than you should ever need it to last, if you can't mission with this, eve is not for you.
  
• vicror

  December 01, 2009, 08:40:30 am

  
  

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  Quote from: greengimp on December 01, 2009, 07:48:43 am

  For one thing you should be using faction BCU's, there is no reason not to as they are pretty cheap, they provide a good increase in damage and you are flying a half bil isk ship.
  
  

  Agree on the using them part.  But, not on the pretty cheap part.  I sell them for 100m each.  3 or 4 of them would take a good amount of time before they turn more profit from using them instead of cheapo ones.  Say you run missons 5 minutes or so faster per hr, which is on the high side.  That's about an additional hr of missioning per/12hrs.  At that rate would take you about 120hrs. of play to get that isk.
  But, please buy and fit them as I do need the isk.  This ship is naked w/o them.
• SgtRaider

  December 04, 2009, 11:27:48 pm

  
  

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  Good feedback greengimp!
• Phoenic

  December 10, 2009, 10:56:01 am

  
  

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  I think people heva missed some pretty clear points:
  A) This is not a super fast high dps mission fit, not all raven fits have to be. If you don't read the explanation, your going to post rubbish.
  B) If you make lets say 30mil an hour, 2 billion takes you 66 hours to come up with. If I had a 2billion ISK ship with a 3minute tank, then I assume a less than 1.5% chance per hour of being disconnected whilst being warp scrambled. This is just plain BS - especially with the new patches randomly disconnecting me and half my corp all of the time now (presumably while they iron out bugs).
  C) How are you going to remain cloaked within 5k, when i'm swarmed by close range drones? (Which is the only time i'd use the smartbomb). The fact its only used when i'm being swarmed pretty much avoids cloaked ship issues.
   
  I've thought about it long and hard - the drone augmentor - I don't need the extra range, if your using drones past 40k (my current range) they'll take all day to come back and could easily be taken out by new spawns.
  The tractor - completely useless for me, my raven salvager has plenty with the same range and it offers a 0 speed increase given this.
  
  You also completely ignore the fact that this is a 'lazy fit' (its in the name ffs people), and yet all of you seem to insist I go for a 'quick missioning fit' that requires 'constant attention'. You have failed to read.
• Phoenic

  December 10, 2009, 11:04:27 am

  
  

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  Also - its a large shield booster, not XL. Please remember to read things properly first.
  
  And there really is no need to be a-holes to anyone who fits a raven in a lazy way. It seems to be the same people posting on battle clinic to almost all the raven fits, and you guys really don't like having a perma-tank with 600defence for the laziness apparently.
  
  I value the safety and ease, over the speed of missioning, that can't be that difficult to see can it?
• vicror

  December 10, 2009, 11:53:51 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Phoenic on December 10, 2009, 11:04:27 am

  
  I value the safety and ease, over the speed of missioning, that can't be that difficult to see can it?
  

  then why would you have a smartbomb on your mission boat.  btw, if you want to perma run.  atleast do it right with xl gist.  not much more expensive than large.
  Raven Navy Issue: CAREBEARS WET DREAM
  

  
• Phoenic

  December 14, 2009, 08:36:08 am

  
  

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  That fit has more thumbs down than even mine has! 800mil omni tank great until you get some high EM enemy.
  And as explained its nigh on impossible for that smartbomb to backfire.
  
  Think i'll stick with this thanks
• vicror

  December 14, 2009, 02:03:40 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Phoenic on December 14, 2009, 08:36:08 am

  That fit has more thumbs down than even mine has! 800mil omni tank great until you get some high EM enemy.
  And as explained its nigh on impossible for that smartbomb to backfire.
  
  Think i'll stick with this thanks
  

  you're so right.  what was I thinkin.  my ship that does more damage and tanks a hell of alot more couldn't possibly be better than your P.O.S.?
  
  BTW, if you take the adverage my ship is -2 as yours is -5.  not that it matters what others opinons are.  especially those that don't understand something like the way in which you used it and the ship was pre-missile nerf, etc.
   
• Phoenic

  December 16, 2009, 05:01:05 pm

  
  

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  * Phoenic is pwned....

  
  Wasn't questioning the higher stats, but its hardly worth it for the difference in money. Your fit is >50% more expensive than mine and I wouldn't say 50% better, your basically just proposing I use CN ballistic controls and two boost amps instead of mission specific fittings. Most people even on here agree the CN upgrade gives you little advantage, and the 400mil CN Invul field just to get away with 2 boost amps seems like overspend.
  
  But hey if you want to be a child about things then the internets the place to do it 'eh. Man its tempting to delete this post and just go for the 'Are you 15?' cliche response