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• Sennka

  November 08, 2009, 10:13:55 pm

  
  

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  Very nice loadout!  Trying to get a nice setup like this myself to run with.  Tank and gank all the way!
• Rokano

  November 08, 2009, 10:16:50 pm

  
  

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  This loadout has been updated. Accidentally put in a 100mn AB, whoops! What do you all think of swapping the EM hardener for a EANM?
  Don't forget to rate if you like!
• CygnusRising

  November 08, 2009, 10:22:53 pm

  
  

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  Take all of my following advice with the following grain of salt: I don't run WH space, so I may just be talking out of my ass.  I'm just making general fitting comments. 
  
  I would say Auto-Cannons may be a better choice... The Myrm gets no ship bonuses, so unless there's a really -good- reason to be running the rails, I would drop them for auto cannons.  Doing so may allow for dropping either a Cap Recharger, or a Rig for something a little more useful, such as a resistance rig, range rig, or Drone Mod... 
  
  Other then that, I may consider changing up the lows slightly, such as Kin+Therm+EANM+Magnetic Field Stabilizer/Gyrostabilizer, or even Kin+Therm+2 damage mods?  I don't know how super-important squeezing every little drop into resists is worth, even at the expense of damage, although the Myrm does most of it's damage with drones...
• Memitim901

  November 08, 2009, 10:47:39 pm

  
  

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  looks good for gang use, although I would definitly switch to minmatar drones, they do less damage but are faster, lets them actually have a chance to get back to you when the sleepers start swatting at them.  Also if you drop the rails for autocannons, you could drops the specific hardeners for EANMIIs X3 and a gyroII, then you could drop 2 cap rechargers for a web and something else (tracking computer?)  Overall though it looks good +1.
• dA_hAmbUrglA

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  Quote from: Memitim901 on November 08, 2009, 10:47:39 pm

  looks good for gang use, although I would definitly switch to minmatar drones, they do less damage but are faster, lets them actually have a chance to get back to you when the sleepers start swatting at them.  Also if you drop the rails for autocannons, you could drops the specific hardeners for EANMIIs X3 and a gyroII, then you could drop 2 cap rechargers for a web and something else (tracking computer?)  Overall though it looks good +1.
  

  What he said about the drones and the autos.
• Senso

  November 09, 2009, 12:23:49 am

  
  

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  hf with a myrm in a wh
• Rokano

  November 09, 2009, 12:47:38 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Memitim901 on November 08, 2009, 10:47:39 pm

  looks good for gang use, although I would definitly switch to minmatar drones, they do less damage but are faster, lets them actually have a chance to get back to you when the sleepers start swatting at them.  Also if you drop the rails for autocannons, you could drops the specific hardeners for EANMIIs X3 and a gyroII, then you could drop 2 cap rechargers for a web and something else (tracking computer?)  Overall though it looks good +1.
  

  
  Alright I will consider swapping out the hams for valks , as that is a good point. Do keep in mind though that this is one of the main reasons I bring rep drones. Usually after each site I will rep the hams that got hit with the rep drones. What about the hobs though? They are fast enough as it is, so I don't think it would be necessary.
  
  Also, to everyone who is saying I should switch to autos, I am purely gal/hybrids atm so I cannot even use autos. Most sleepers outside of frigs are long-ish range so I found rails work good. I will try bringing some blasters next time around and get back to you. Hobs make quick work of frigs anyways.
  Thanks for all the comments so far! Keep the +'s coming!
• Eljared Crescent

  November 09, 2009, 01:28:52 am

  
  

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  well a all V isnt a proof, stats are low for WH. (resist seems good for some (above70%) and limite for other) tanking? (amount repaired?)
  gang ok solo probably not. maybe in cls 1-2, classe 3 are mostly soloable in hac or strategic cruiser ( and even they tank and gank better than BC and need less skills than All V to do it)
   maybe a command ship for solo (EOS for drone junkie is a good option or just an Ishtar for the purpose you need a passive shield fit like som eof the lvl5 solofit)
  
  otherwise for gang it looks good and as said upper projectile turret and eanm II, arty can be good too have to try i guess
  
  i run mostly in WHspace in a legion dualrep (aux nano pump and nano accelerator rigged no ccc and capstable at 48%)(resist around 78/89% all) pulse ranged never try other than this maybe i will considere a puls/abso or a zealot for more sport'n fun ^^
  
  taged expensive fitting ?  well a t2 complete isnt that expensive (okok im out of there legion are outpriced (SC generaly) i know)
• Rokano

  November 09, 2009, 08:14:52 am

  
  

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  Quote from: Eljared Crescent on November 09, 2009, 01:28:52 am

  well a all V isnt a proof, stats are low for WH. (resist seems good for some (above70%) and limite for other) tanking? (amount repaired?)
  gang ok solo probably not. maybe in cls 1-2, classe 3 are mostly soloable in hac or strategic cruiser ( and even they tank and gank better than BC and need less skills than All V to do it)
   maybe a command ship for solo (EOS for drone junkie is a good option or just an Ishtar for the purpose you need a passive shield fit like som eof the lvl5 solofit)
  
  otherwise for gang it looks good and as said upper projectile turret and eanm II, arty can be good too have to try i guess
  
  i run mostly in WHspace in a legion dualrep (aux nano pump and nano accelerator rigged no ccc and capstable at 48%)(resist around 78/89% all) pulse ranged never try other than this maybe i will considere a puls/abso or a zealot for more sport'n fun ^^
  
  taged expensive fitting ?  well a t2 complete isnt that expensive (okok im out of there legion are outpriced (SC generaly) i know)
  

  Yeah, I have just under 15mil SP and here are my numbers.
  
  30,859 Effective HP (5,860 armor)
  77.5% EM | 70.8% THERM/KIN | 59.5% EXP
  83.8 (turret) + 161.2 (drone) = 245 DPS
  396 m/s
  cap stable at 46%
  
  I would NOT recommend trying this in anything above class 2. I have been using it in class 1 and 2 in a gang with another BC and it has been working well. For class 3 wormholes you should really be looking at other ships (HACs or T3 cruisers?) As with my last reply, do not NOT rate this based on me using hybrids. I do not have any projectile skills so hybrids are what I use. For those trained for autocannons, go for it! Hopefully within the next week I will have time to try some T2 heavy neutron blasters. o7
• Pitt Bull

  November 09, 2009, 09:08:27 am

  
  

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  You need to fill the explosive hole. Sleepers do omni damage so all your resists are effectively your lowest resist. I'd suggest an anti-explosive pump in your rigs if possible, or just use different hardeners.
  
  Swap the EM hardener for an EANM II that might help the most.
• Eljared Crescent

  November 09, 2009, 01:14:37 pm

  
  

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  i keep my +1 nice answer from rok
  
  stated as above explo is weak (a legion 1 eanm II has 89 explo armor resist but SC are in general case tanking beast)
  
  stats from riotrick solo cls3 legion (mine is a little under but not so much)
   
  this will solo class 3 wormholes with ease. An anomaly takes me between 15 and 20 minutes with this setup. You can tank all the spawn without any problems.
  
  Cap stable @ 41%
  
  478 dps 11km optimal with navy multifreq
  319 dps 23km optimal with navy standard
  381 dps 34km optimal with scorch
  
  Add a lancer g2 gamma hardwiring for 5% extra dps
  
  745dps tank,
  85.7 / 81.4 / 79.6 / 89.1 resists
  4625 hp armor
  
  not saying you should go for a proteus or a legion but to show resists and dps anyway your myrm is nice (used  myrm for lvl4 never tried in WH but since im almost skilled for Zealots/sac and after Absolution/Damnation i stick on my little too expensive friggin cute ship
• Rokano

  November 09, 2009, 04:00:31 pm

  
  

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  Alright, after looking at your comments and the numbers a bit more the EM/ENAM swap was justified. I also went in and added a beefier description to help address other issues people have brought up.
  
  

  Quote from: Pitt Bull on November 09, 2009, 09:08:27 am

  You need to fill the explosive hole. Sleepers do omni damage so all your resists are effectively your lowest resist. I'd suggest an anti-explosive pump in your rigs if possible, or just use different hardeners.
  
  Swap the EM hardener for an EANM II that might help the most.
  

  
  This is a really good point! I am looking at swapping a CCC rig for the explosive pump. This def brings a slew of new numbers for me to look at. I could take my EANM back out for the EM or just swap the rigs. Give me some time to think about it though. The good thing is that even if I did swap the rig I am still stable at 39% with my skills.
• Rokano

  November 14, 2009, 12:01:21 pm

  
  

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  I finally have this thing done! (I hope) Looking at all tanking combos in EFT, this is the best uniform tank for sleepers I could come up with. I hope you all like it thus far and make sure to re-read the description, as I added some more stuff. I will try to get my close range myrmidon done asap, but for now I shall enjoy dis one! Don't forget to rate and leave comments if you have any suggestions!
  
  Edit: Swapped the Anti-Explosive pump for Auxiliary Nano pump. Gave me even better defense! This loadout just keeps getting better! 
• Yabba Addict

  December 01, 2009, 07:07:22 am

  
  

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  The only thing i'd do is swap out the sisters launcher for a basic one. that's quite a pricey mod there and while i do have one on my covops having it on a BC in a place where roaming gankage is likley seems...well, it's not a good idea
• theMaudDib

  December 01, 2009, 10:49:33 am

  
  

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  With a WH I would normally say only think of your turret dps.  Some sites insta-lock your drones the moment they deploy, sometimes they dont lock drones at all.
  
  88 dps is a bit small, unless you have a fleet with you, so I am wondering how many are in your fleet, and what class are you using this in?
  
  Also, I will post it later, but I made a passive shield tank myrm, with blasters, that has MWD to get up close, and a NOS to be 38m stable with the MWD off. Its dps is 314 turret and 415 w/HobII or 476 w/HamII. Its a damn good fit imo and handles c1-3 solo.  But your fit with a fleet would do well I am sure. +1
• FoundInTheFlood

  January 02, 2010, 06:32:43 am

  
  

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  Sorry, but why the cloak? you move with like 10 meters per hour, and if s1 scans you youre dead. If youre plexing sleeper sites why do you need a cloak? I think drone control range would serve a little better. But i'm eager to understand why you put in the cloak.
• CygnusRising

  January 03, 2010, 04:12:03 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: FoundInTheFlood on January 02, 2010, 06:32:43 am

  Sorry, but why the cloak? you move with like 10 meters per hour, and if s1 scans you youre dead. If youre plexing sleeper sites why do you need a cloak? I think drone control range would serve a little better. But i'm eager to understand why you put in the cloak.
  

  
  Because being hidden can be helpful.  If you're at a site already, they'll be scanning you down anyways when they scan the site. 
• Rokano

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  Quote from: theMaudDib on December 01, 2009, 10:49:33 am

  With a WH I would normally say only think of your turret dps.  Some sites insta-lock your drones the moment they deploy, sometimes they dont lock drones at all.
  
  88 dps is a bit small, unless you have a fleet with you, so I am wondering how many are in your fleet, and what class are you using this in?
  
  Also, I will post it later, but I made a passive shield tank myrm, with blasters, that has MWD to get up close, and a NOS to be 38m stable with the MWD off. Its dps is 314 turret and 415 w/HobII or 476 w/HamII. Its a damn good fit imo and handles c1-3 solo.  But your fit with a fleet would do well I am sure. +1
  

  
  Usually a fleet with a friend of mine in a drake. Class 1 and 2s. Did you ever get that passive myr loadout done?
  
  

  Quote from: FoundInTheFlood on January 02, 2010, 06:32:43 am

  Sorry, but why the cloak? you move with like 10 meters per hour, and if s1 scans you youre dead. If youre plexing sleeper sites why do you need a cloak? I think drone control range would serve a little better. But i'm eager to understand why you put in the cloak.
  

  
  Drone control would be dangerous b/c if they aggro getting them back from 65km away would be a nightmare. Cloak is better cause if others ships fly in you can go cloak somewhere and hideout for a bit. Also, while my partner is grabbing his salvager I will often sit cloaked at our sites making sure no one ganks our shit.
• Rannug0

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  i would put gardes on there
  1. 3 garde I will do 225 DPS at max skills
  2. sentries don't get aggro that fast
  3. you can scoop em fast
  
  EDIT: I currently fly this with an RR and lazers as I stay in the WH fo qiute some time
• Rokano

  April 18, 2011, 11:48:30 am

  
  

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  This loadout has been updated
• Vasaramies

  April 19, 2011, 02:22:43 am

  
  

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  Sentries will have trouble tracking smaller sleepers, as in C1&C2 the sleepers are mainly frig size with some cruisers.
  
  I have had good experience with passive shield autocannon myrm. Just dont use T2 drones, use T1 drones and think of them as ammo, they are expendable. Myrm has good drone bay for extra drones. Still the managing of drones is pita.
• Rakkeer

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   Its an ok build at best. Doesn't use the ship bonuses save for armor rep. Rails suck in level 1/2's as your not hitting the frigs with them worth a piss. That DPS in eft means squat against sleeper frigs. I'll take my bonused drones with an Omni/augmentor any day. They can actually apply DPS to all targets in your locking range. And save me the sleepers eat drones bit, maybe in 3/4's and up. Not in 1/2's. You'll have plenty of notice if your drones are taking damage if your even semi awake at the KB. Your trying to make a blaster boat out of a drone boat. Just buy a Brutix with this build. It's cheaper and will be more effective.
  
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• silentshot

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  as someone that farms WH's i would say drop that active armour tank and go with a passive armour tank with teck 2 auto cannons ontop. u will find that the passive shield tank up to at least lvl 3's and beyond in some cases will easly hold up to multible cruisers/ frigates and can hold up against a battleship for a bit(at least long enough for u to decide if you want to stay and fight or grab your salvadge and run. also i dont run with a cloak on the bases that usually in WH when you get jumped you are in a situation where you cant cloak. so instead throw a salvadger on there and be a one man cleaning show.
• someone special

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  dual web and a full wrack of medium electrons or any medium weapon as its a myrm for that matter is so nice for 1/2 volley popping those frigs leaving your drones to work on cruisers etc. looks like it would still work, if you have support like you said hence why you dont salvage which would be epicly slow on a combat ship anyway why do you have a probe launcher? just doesnt make sense to me, send in a prober before hand, scan the whole system down and then move your gang in. +1 anyway as it will work good for c1/2.
• Mike712

  October 10, 2011, 03:06:14 am

  
  

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  I'd personally prefer a drake, just because sleeper AI and drones don't mix well.
• CygnusRising

  October 11, 2011, 07:29:31 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Mike712 on October 10, 2011, 07:06:14 am

  I'd personally prefer a drake, just because sleeper AI and drones don't mix well.
  

  
  This.  Ideally, train up to something like a Nighthawk, then you can go into C3s with ease as well.  And you'll blaze through C1s and C2s.
• Twistedheart

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  Don't sleepers neut so you need a passive tank? Might be a noob q, since I am quite new, but just wanted to ask before I build this.
• CygnusRising

  October 20, 2011, 04:56:06 pm

  
  

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  Quote from: Twistedheart on October 19, 2011, 01:42:27 pm

  Don't sleepers neut so you need a passive tank? Might be a noob q, since I am quite new, but just wanted to ask before I build this.
  

  
  Sleepers don't neut until the higher class Wormholes.  I think C4?  I might be wrong, it might be C3.  I know for a fact that they don't it C1 and C2, which is where this Myrm would be. 
• Unkle Tickles

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  Quote from: CygnusRising on October 20, 2011, 08:56:06 pm

  Quote from: Twistedheart on October 19, 2011, 01:42:27 pm

  Don't sleepers neut so you need a passive tank? Might be a noob q, since I am quite new, but just wanted to ask before I build this.
  

  
  Sleepers don't neut until the higher class Wormholes.  I think C4?  I might be wrong, it might be C3.  I know for a fact that they don't it C1 and C2, which is where this Myrm would be. 
  

  
  Most sleepers in C2's won't neut but in radar and magnetometric sites especially some will.  If you're worried about being neuted check http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceeve-survival.org to see what to expect in a site.
• Mournful Conciousness

  December 17, 2011, 03:03:24 am

  
  

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  This works for c1 & 2, but for c3 you may get more mileage here
• LazorHurricane

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  You have to pay attention with this fit. I have an AFK wormhole myrmidon that performs great.
• Yamadog

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  Quote from: LazorHurricane on January 27, 2012, 10:20:53 am

  You have to pay attention with this fit. I have an AFK wormhole myrmidon that performs great.
  

  
  Paying attention is what you need to do in a WH
  
  
• Mournful Conciousness

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  Quote from: Yamadog on January 28, 2012, 06:19:22 pm

  Quote from: LazorHurricane on January 27, 2012, 10:20:53 am

  You have to pay attention with this fit. I have an AFK wormhole myrmidon that performs great.
  

  
  Paying attention is what you need to do in a WH
  
  
  

  
  Nicely put.