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Crunchbite36
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+1
Mike712
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Edit: The tracking comp can be swapped for a web on mission where the rats engage at short range (angels)
aka Hideo San
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+1
Mike712
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Going to bump this since there are no other good PvE hype fits on battleclinic and as such this needs more +1's
shenryyr
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+1 looks good

T2 CCC + AN repper for the connoisseur, with SS magstabs of course
StormMyke
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I'll +1 it,cos you asked nicely.

I'd use diffrent ammo depending on the situation,I use lead for it's neutral range and it's less cap use bonus so you can hit out at it's optimal which is about 50k if memory serves me,and switch to anti's when they are closer in.I'd go with a faction rep.I use my hype vs angels but I use blasters rather than rails for that.

I'd also say that if your cap last longer than 15 minutes with everything running,thats more than enough tbh

if your talking implant's I use these in my PVE clone,and I'd reccomend them

6 :zet 1000 5% reduction in repair duration
7 :gunslinger AX-2 5% tracking
8 : CC8
9: CX-2 5% to turret damages
10 :ZGL100 3% to large hybrids
Silentskills
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Going to bump this since there are no other good PvE hype fits on battleclinic and as such this needs more +1's

you lie! dig deeper

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/17161-LVL-4-PVE-Hyperion-425mm.html
Mike712
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Sorry buddy, I gave it a +1 no idea how it got -3 though it's as perfect as mine.

Everyone go +1 Silentskills fit too, it seems there are 2 decent mission hype loadouts on battleclinic.   
Atlanic
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Only problem i see with this is that it's a armor tank and yet does nothing about the explosive resist it so desperately needs. 
Mike712
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Quote
441 DPS tank against Angel with 1 EANM and 2 EXP hardeners

That would only be an issue if you are fighting rats that deal explosive damage(Angels and Minmatar navy) in that case you would simply change hardeners as I said in the OP.
AeonOfTime
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Only problem i see with this is that it's a armor tank and yet does nothing about the explosive resist it so desperately needs. 

... what about reading the OP's description?

Quote from: Mike712
653 DPS tank against guristas with current hardener setup.
522 DPS tank against surpentis with 1 kin and 2 thermal hardeners.
584 DPS tank against sansha 530 against blood with 1 EM and 2 thermal hardeners.
441 DPS tank against Angel with 1 EANM and 2 EXP hardeners

I think that explains it pretty clearly.

+1 from me, nice fit.
Amarrian Cynicism
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+1 from me, good fitting Mike.
Rokano
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Can someone tell my why 350mm Railgun II is better then 350mm protos?
Mike712
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Because the large railgun spec skill gives you an extra 2% damage per level resulting in 10% more damage at lv5 than 350 protos.
Sarah Norbulk
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Not bad for a hype, but it's still outclassed by a sentry domi.
Mike712
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yeh but a domi, ugh :P
Msgerbs
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No dual reps?
Crunchbite36
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Unnecessary.
Sarah Norbulk
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No dual reps?

Dual reps are a waste of slots as a single rep will tank a properly managed L4 fine.
benscho
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what do you think about swaping the aux nano pump for a hybrid metastasis adjuster as the hyperion doesnt have any tracking boni?
KILLAMANJARO
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That's what the TC is for.
LegionPothIX
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It's not a bad fit, but I can't in good faith +1 it without seeing a comparison of the CCC riggings against the Memory Cell riggings. Anyone who's read anything of mine knows it's my biggest bitch about cap stability arguments.
I don't care for rails, despite the knowing how effective they are (just not my style), but i truly disdain CCC riggings because of all the automatic nay-saying of any other rig that they generate.
KILLAMANJARO
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Just quit.
KILLAMANJARO
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Go ahead and fit AC's on here and ignore the damage bonus. CCC's increase recharge, you want recharge, not max cap ammount.
LegionPothIX
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Just go ahead and double or triple post all you want. It totally makes you look cool. You don't seem to realize that your cap is a formula of Amount over Time. True efficiency requires balancing the formula with as much as you can get out of the ratios.
I'm just looking for some simple math to prove proof of concept.
KILLAMANJARO
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And you don't understand cap recharge. Also, 6M of cap is perfect for missions. Because all you do is kill everything and pulse your booster. Learn something before posting on fit.
vicror
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ccc > smc.  only use smc rigs if you also fit a cap booster and no gank rig would be better.
don't need any "simple" math to figure that out. 
ccc rigs have been and always will work just fine for missions.
KILLAMANJARO
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^ That.
karathkasun
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Agreed on the CCC issue.

As for the fit...
After experimentation with a Rokh, you need two TC's to really be effective in some situations.  You could also use metastasis rigs, as the T2 ones are pretty damn cheap as far as T2 rigs go.

It seems that the tier 3 ships do better in missions when you can ignore cap modules and have a Tier 1/2 BS with you sporting a cap transfer in the utility high slot(s).   If the bigger BS gets aggro, just throw the cap transfer on it.

This also allows you to free up more rig slots.  Which in turn lets you lay down even more DPS or be more effective at doing so.

For solo work I definitely recommend sticking to tier two ships, theyre way more efficient.

Gonna +1 this, as its pretty much the best that can be done for solo w/o a cap booster.
Seranova Farreach
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
karathkasun
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it suffers from the same problem.  Lack of tracking for rails.  this is why the mega is superior for missions.  That nice fat tracking bonus.
vandhleer
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nice fit+1.
KILLAMANJARO
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like
Mike712
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like

Rokh is freakin' fail in missions unless you spend a few billion on it and then it's hardly what you'd call economically viable, I have a multi billion isk rokh that I use, it's nice to be able to use a rokh semi effectivly, but it's pretty shite compared with anything else of the same cost.
KILLAMANJARO
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like

Rokh is freakin' fail in missions unless you spend a few billion on it and then it's hardly what you'd call economically viable, I have a multi billion isk rokh that I use, it's nice to be able to use a rokh semi effectivly, but it's pretty shite compared with anything else of the same cost.
Cap booster, pulse'd X-L (CN or better), 3 mag stabs, 2 TE's. Problem solved.
Mike712
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like

Rokh is freakin' fail in missions unless you spend a few billion on it and then it's hardly what you'd call economically viable, I have a multi billion isk rokh that I use, it's nice to be able to use a rokh semi effectivly, but it's pretty shite compared with anything else of the same cost.
Cap booster, pulse'd X-L (CN or better), 3 mag stabs, 2 TE's. Problem solved.

It still does terrible DPS.

Mine has 4 faction mag stabs, 2 tracking comps and I use javlin for close stuff, I have near perfect gunery skills and it's still very mediocre.
KILLAMANJARO
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like

Rokh is freakin' fail in missions unless you spend a few billion on it and then it's hardly what you'd call economically viable, I have a multi billion isk rokh that I use, it's nice to be able to use a rokh semi effectivly, but it's pretty shite compared with anything else of the same cost.
Cap booster, pulse'd X-L (CN or better), 3 mag stabs, 2 TE's. Problem solved.

It still does terrible DPS.

Mine has 4 faction mag stabs, 2 tracking comps and I use javlin for close stuff, I have near perfect gunery skills and it's still very mediocre.

Oh, you're using railguns. I was talking about a blaster rokh. I agree, that when using rails, a mega or hyperion is far better. And that is what I use. But I had used a blaster rokh for angel ratting.
Mike712
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if only you could do somethign like this to a ROKH...
You can, I have a fit too if you'd like

Yep blaster rokh will work for angels, but it's not viable for most level 4s.

Rokh is freakin' fail in missions unless you spend a few billion on it and then it's hardly what you'd call economically viable, I have a multi billion isk rokh that I use, it's nice to be able to use a rokh semi effectivly, but it's pretty shite compared with anything else of the same cost.
Cap booster, pulse'd X-L (CN or better), 3 mag stabs, 2 TE's. Problem solved.

It still does terrible DPS.

Mine has 4 faction mag stabs, 2 tracking comps and I use javlin for close stuff, I have near perfect gunery skills and it's still very mediocre.

Oh, you're using railguns. I was talking about a blaster rokh. I agree, that when using rails, a mega or hyperion is far better. And that is what I use. But I had used a blaster rokh for angel ratting.
KILLAMANJARO
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Did you forget to type something? I too have near perfect. The only thing not 5 is falloff and damage skill. And spec isn't at 5. But it's damn well close enough at 4. Besides, I'd rather train AWU 5 or something before surgical 5. I only have 26M sp atm. 8 of that in gunnery.
Mike712
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Did you forget to type something? I too have near perfect. The only thing not 5 is falloff and damage skill. And spec isn't at 5. But it's damn well close enough at 4. Besides, I'd rather train AWU 5 or something before surgical 5. I only have 26M sp atm. 8 of that in gunnery.

Oops srewed up there somehow, I've tried a blaster rokh too and yes it works fine for angels, but a torp raven would be better for ratting and a blaster rokh is pretty terrible in most lv4s.
KILLAMANJARO
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It's not too bad. I don't have good missile skills, and angels hit across the board. The rokh has the shield resist bonus which is great. As for now though, I use a mael with scout 800's. I think the boost ammount per level beats shield resists any day.
leo14262333
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+1 :D
I use this Fitting and it´s absolutely Nice :D
I LOVE it ^^
leo14262333
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+1 :D
I use this Fitting and it´s absolutely Nice :D
I LOVE it ^^
SydneyACE
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This is a good conservative/safe fit.

It could be much faster though w/425s, another TC and an AB.

With 2 Optimal-Range scripted TCs you can do big damage w/Anti all the way out to max targeting range.
The AB is more of a preference thing, but it does speed things up a lot.
KILLAMANJARO
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This is a good conservative/safe fit.

It could be much faster though w/425s, another TC and an AB.

With 2 Optimal-Range scripted TCs you can do big damage w/Anti all the way out to max targeting range.
The AB is more of a preference thing, but it does speed things up a lot.
425's don't fit.
SydneyACE
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This is a good conservative/safe fit.

It could be much faster though w/425s, another TC and an AB.

With 2 Optimal-Range scripted TCs you can do big damage w/Anti all the way out to max targeting range.
The AB is more of a preference thing, but it does speed things up a lot.
425's don't fit.

They fit great with an Ancillary Current Router, and Faction Lows.
When I was fitting my Hype for lvl4s, I spent lots of time figuring-out what worked best.
425's are quite a bit more veratile. (More DPS, more Range) and with the dual TC's you have better tracking too.
This is how I fit mine:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/54717-Hyperion-Memphis-T2-425mm-865DPS-LVL4.html

I will be the first to admit that this fit is better than mine in a couple of missions. (Worlds collide)
It has better tank, and cap life. I actually use a set-up like this for that mission (w/faction rep and an extra hardener or two).
But in 75% of lvl4s, you don't need that much tank.

The diff in DPS is very substantial though:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/sydneyACE/350vs425.jpg

200dps more at 50km
350dps more at 70km
This saves a TON of time on missions where the rats are spread-out.
benscho
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This is a good conservative/safe fit.

It could be much faster though w/425s, another TC and an AB.

With 2 Optimal-Range scripted TCs you can do big damage w/Anti all the way out to max targeting range.
The AB is more of a preference thing, but it does speed things up a lot.
425's don't fit.

They fit great with an Ancillary Current Router, and Faction Lows.
When I was fitting my Hype for lvl4s, I spent lots of time figuring-out what worked best.
425's are quite a bit more veratile. (More DPS, more Range) and with the dual TC's you have better tracking too.
This is how I fit mine:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/54717-Hyperion-Memphis-T2-425mm-865DPS-LVL4.html

I will be the first to admit that this fit is better than mine in a couple of missions. (Worlds collide)
It has better tank, and cap life. I actually use a set-up like this for that mission (w/faction rep and an extra hardener or two).
But in 75% of lvl4s, you don't need that much tank.

The diff in DPS is very substantial though:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/sydneyACE/350vs425.jpg

200dps more at 50km
350dps more at 70km
This saves a TON of time on missions where the rats are spread-out.
more dps but are you going to hit properly ? i mean how many bs compared to bc and c do you have in a lvl 4 - so i would go for the 350s and if you compare your 425 fit to mine http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/43544-Hyperion.html you see that i ll use a damage rig for the 350s too and have the two tracking comps. i think overall the 350 fit is smoother and as you used a bunch of faction - you can have this in your 350 too even without using ancilliary router which i dont like to use in mission ships in general.
SydneyACE
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more dps but are you going to hit properly ? i mean how many bs compared to bc and c do you have in a lvl 4 - so i would go for the 350s and if you compare your 425 fit to mine http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/43544-Hyperion.html you see that i ll use a damage rig for the 350s too and have the two tracking comps. i think overall the 350 fit is smoother and as you used a bunch of faction - you can have this in your 350 too even without using ancilliary router which i dont like to use in mission ships in general.

Your fitting is the best PVE Hype fitting I've encountered! It deserves more thumbs-up.

For some reason ACRs seem to have this big stigma about them. Like you're "wasting" a Rig Slot by using them or something. The thing to remember is: More PG translates into more fitting options, AND ACRs have no drawback. Your DMG Rig is stacking with your Mag Stabs and if you use a Tank Rig it slows you down.

ACR=More PG
More PG=Bigger Guns
Bigger Guns=More dps AND More range
So:
ACR=More DPS and More Range

Having said all that...
You have a very valid point with regards to your fitting.
When you're shooting at an AB-fit cruiser rat with a slight transversal, the 350s(+DMG rig) do slightly more DPS under 35km. (A max of 30 more.)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/sydneyACE/350dmgvs425.jpg
These are identical, I just swapped the 425s to 350s and swapped the ARC to HCA.

Anything over 35km though and the 425s out-damage the 350s on anything cruiser and up.
This is why I like fitting the AB on mine, I'm actually faster than most cruiser-rats, so I can match speed/direction with them and shoot with almost 0 transversal. Remember the 350s and 425s have the SAME signature, so the only thing that helps is the higher tracking-speed. The only reason yours hits better than mine <35km is because you fit 2 TCs, almost nobody else does that. (I'm trying to "convert" more people every day.)

One more reason I like having the "slot wasting" ACR on there...
I prefere a DPS tank on 70% of lvl4s (2-3 hardeners and 3-2 mag stabs).
There are a few though that you want more tank.
The "slot wasting" ACR allows you to drop down to 350s and fit a HUGE, dual-rep, cap-boosted, tank if you are doing a tricky mission (worlds colide comes to mind).
You can't fit the cap-booster without the ACR, and a dual-rep that only lasts 2m24s isn't all that great.

That might sound overkill, but my point is:
It's possible to fit big gank OR big tank on the same ship when you have an ACR fitted.
Without that extra PG, you have to choose one or the other.
It's all about versatillity.

Sorry for the wall of text!
I feel like an ACR cheer-leader DAMN!

Hyperion: Lv4 Mission fit

Spaceship
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Empty
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Modulename
I am making this fit because as with the raven some people seem to be struggling with adequately fitting their Hyperion for PvE.

Personally I feel that the hype is outclassed by the Megathron for this purpose but with the right fitting it can be done.

This fit is cap stable with the implants 'squire' CC4 and CR4 but if you wanted to free up either of those slots for turret implants you could simply use 'squire' CC8 or CR8 and have enough cap with everything running for over 30 mins.

Stats:

509 turret DPS with antimatter at 27km(31km with optimal range scripts)

381 turret DPS with thorium at 47km(54km with optimal scripts)

653 DPS tank against guristas with current hardener setup.

522 DPS tank against surpentis with 1 kin and 2 thermal hardeners.

584 DPS tank against sansha 530 against blood with 1 EM and 2 thermal hardeners.

441 DPS tank against Angel with 1 EANM and 2 EXP hardeners

If you feel you need more tank you are going to have to splash out for a faction rep, loosing damage mods is not an option.

However 'squire' CC8 and CR8 will be needed for cap stability with a navy rep.

Also slot 9 'noble' ZET can also be used to boost tanking performance with no extra cost to cap.

Comments and suggestions are welcome also please rate.





Targeting

Maximum targets 7
Maximum targeting range 75 km
Scan resolution 137.5
Sensor strength 0 0 23 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 150.94
Inertia modifier 0.07952
Signature radius 485 m
Cargo capacity 675 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 9000 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 5 minutes 32 seconds
Powergrid 14557.6 / 20000MW
CPU 681 / 750 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 9375
Shield recharge time 31 minutes 15 seconds
Shield resistances 0% 50% 40% 20%

Armor

Armor hit points 10000
Armor resistances 50% 10% 84.73% 70.75%

Structure

Structure hit points 10625
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 125 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 175 m3
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[Hyperion, Hyperion: Lv4 Mission fit]
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Empty

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II
350mm Railgun II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II
'Augmented' Warrior
Item Quantity Value
Hyperion 1 215,000,000
Antimatter Charge L 1 187
Tracking Computer II 1 969,997
Cap Recharger II 4 549,253
Hammerhead II 1 696,995
Hobgoblin II 1 414,715
Large Armor Repairer II 1 1,098,800
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 2 985,000
Armor Kinetic Hardener II 2 1,463,000
Armor Thermic Hardener II 1 1,650,000
350mm Railgun II 8 2,012,310
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I 1 14,384,000
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 2 7,768,500
'Augmented' Warrior 1 36,639
Tracking Speed Script 1 9,000
Total 272,988,825
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