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Ship fitting - Built on July 28, 2009

Tengu, 129,890,000 ISK
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Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Ammo
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile, 220 ISK
Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile, 211 ISK
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile, 1,100 ISK
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[Tengu, The Right Way to Fit a Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

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[Tengu, The Right Way to Fit a Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

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Targeting Maximum targets 5
Maximum targeting range 117187.5 m
Scan resolution 293.75 mm
Sensor strength 35 0 0 0
Size/Movement Max velocity 647.13
Inertia modifier 0.26123
Signature radius 150 m
Cargo capacity 0 m3
Systems Capacitor capacity 2070.31 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 5 minutes 18 seconds
Powergrid 675.2 / 750 MW
CPU 533 / 635 tf
Shields Shield capacity 4562.5
Shield recharge time 20 minutes 22 seconds
Shield resistances 0% 50% 92.95% 80%
Armor Armor hit points 3062.5
Armor resistances 50% 10% 62.5% 86.25%
Structure Structure hit points 2076.25
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drones Drone capacity 0 m3
Drone bandwidth 0 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m
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Having seen fail fit after fail fit for t3 cruisers, I felt I should put my own Tengu up for people to see. Greengimp's setup is effective, but I use this setup to take advantage of the added DPS that rage missiles can give.

Of course I also put faction missiles :p

Note that this setup requires a 1% PG implant as well.

Changed rig sizes. Easier to get into EFT now hopefully...Also added Javelin missiles (628 DPS with 45.6km range) and this note:
If you are fighting Sansha/Blood exchange one of the CN invulns for an EM hardener if you wish - the tank is sufficient w/o the switch but it's more safe.

Major revision: changed medium booster into pithi a-type small - still FAR more than enough tank with AB running. This allows for the removal of the need for a 1% PG implant (yay) and also cap stability without rig support...now rigs could be used for Flares and Bay thrusters. Boost amp in place of target painter for anti-Sansha tank, which is shown. For Guristas and many other pirate factions the boost amp isn't necessary and the TP could stay. These revisions, I feel, streamline the ship and make it more practical for everyone to fly. It is the version I currently fly. If you are concerned about damage against smaller ships, I'll tell you that it does enormous damage against frigates and cruisers and higher rage HAMs hit at full damage (basically). That should solve some questions. Further revisions and suggestions will be tolerated :)
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  • July 28, 2009, 10:36:10 am

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    Looks good.
  • July 28, 2009, 10:50:24 am

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    i don't get it... does this get a range bonus or just 20 km ?
  • July 28, 2009, 10:52:25 am

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    "10% bonus to heavy missile and heavy assault missile velocity per level"

    from the accelerated ejection bay subsystem

    is that what you meant?
  • July 28, 2009, 12:04:52 pm

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    sangren what ranges do you get with javelins & CN ammo?
  • July 28, 2009, 12:08:19 pm

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    45.6 km w/ javelin and 628 DPS

    30.4 km w/ CN ammo and 803 DPS
  • July 28, 2009, 12:15:12 pm

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    wow 45km without rigs and at 628 dps 0.o i like target and shoot plus drones, perfect range XD
  • July 28, 2009, 01:41:59 pm

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    hehe can't update it to include that ammo, but I didn't know it was that good :D
  • July 28, 2009, 10:25:34 pm

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    you guys think this is good?  sheesh, i think it's expensive and ineffective.

    all of you rage about heavy assault missiles.  well, here are some basic facts  (these numbers are base without skills)

    Explosion Velocity:       Terror Rage:  101 m/s   Scourge Fury:  90 m/s
    Kinetic Damage:           Terror Rage:    90 hp      Scourge Fury:  102 hp
    Base Shield Damage:   Terror Rage:    94           Scourge Fury:  115.2
    Base Armor Damage:   Terror Rage:   67.5        Scourge Fury:  144

    hate to say this but Scourge Fury wins by a landslide.  plus it has the added range.

    next, the resistances here are the worst i've seen.  many tengus get into the mid 80's and low 90's  this is pitiful, bordering on noob.

    4 faction bc?  have you not heard of stacking penalties?  which are:

    1st  - 100% effective, 2nd 87% effective, 3rd 57% effective, 4th 28% effective.
    for 90 mil each?  the 4th is a waste of isk because it won't do much for damage.

    time to hit the books are rethink this fitting.
  • July 28, 2009, 11:44:01 pm

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    you guys think this is good?  sheesh, i think it's expensive and ineffective.

    all of you rage about heavy assault missiles.  well, here are some basic facts  (these numbers are base without skills)

    Explosion Velocity:       Terror Rage:  101 m/s   Scourge Fury:  90 m/s
    Kinetic Damage:           Terror Rage:    90 hp      Scourge Fury:  102 hp
    Base Shield Damage:   Terror Rage:    94           Scourge Fury:  115.2
    Base Armor Damage:   Terror Rage:   67.5        Scourge Fury:  144

    hate to say this but Scourge Fury wins by a landslide.  plus it has the added range.

    next, the resistances here are the worst i've seen.  many tengus get into the mid 80's and low 90's  this is pitiful, bordering on noob.

    4 faction bc?  have you not heard of stacking penalties?  which are:

    1st  - 100% effective, 2nd 87% effective, 3rd 57% effective, 4th 28% effective.
    for 90 mil each?  the 4th is a waste of isk because it won't do much for damage.

    time to hit the books are rethink this fitting.
                           HAM Launcher II        Heavy Launcher II
                           with Terror Rage       with Scourge Fury
    Duration:        6.4                              12
    Dam/Volley:   90                                102
    Dam/Sec:       14.0625                      8.5

    Scourge wins on volley, Terror wins on DPS by a landslide.
    Those are base numbers.
  • July 28, 2009, 11:53:32 pm

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    Also, that 4th bc adds 56 DPS. well worth the extra cost to complete missions faster.
  • July 29, 2009, 01:02:58 am

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    This actually looks really nice, the big question is , will it go faster then a golem in missions?
  • July 29, 2009, 02:06:13 am

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    That will depend on the mission. this boat will do a lot more damage to cruiser and smaller sized targets than a Golem, but the Golem (if fitted for gank) will kill battleships faster.

    The Golem has the advantage that it can salvage as it goes or pull salvage to a central spot making later salvaging fater.

    This has the advantage of enough speed to close with enemies that spawn at a distance rather than just waiting for them. It will also close the distance between gates faster.

    In short, missions with alot of cruisers and gates at a long distance from each other will be faster in this, while missions with little travel required and rats that spawn inside locking range will be faster in a Golem.

    Note: This is complete theory that has not been in any way tested other than through EFT.
  • July 29, 2009, 05:40:12 am

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    I'm going to start using terror javelins (longer range, DPS is still pretty high) and use rage HAMs to kill larger targets. For tougher missions though, I would definitely recommend a gank mission Golem - I use greengimp's setup - because it eats through battleships like they're made of paper.

    I always look up missions and predetermine what ship I use, although sometimes I do fail at that and use the wrong ship. When I'm in doubt, I use this ship - it's tank is great and DPS substantial as well.

    And don't even start with me about heavy missiles. Use a Cerberus if you want to use them. Or a Drake.
  • July 29, 2009, 05:51:09 am

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    you guys think this is good?  sheesh, i think it's expensive and ineffective.

    all of you rage about heavy assault missiles.  well, here are some basic facts  (these numbers are base without skills)

    Explosion Velocity:       Terror Rage:  101 m/s   Scourge Fury:  90 m/s
    Kinetic Damage:           Terror Rage:    90 hp      Scourge Fury:  102 hp
    Base Shield Damage:   Terror Rage:    94           Scourge Fury:  115.2
    Base Armor Damage:   Terror Rage:   67.5        Scourge Fury:  144

    hate to say this but Scourge Fury wins by a landslide.  plus it has the added range.

    next, the resistances here are the worst i've seen.  many tengus get into the mid 80's and low 90's  this is pitiful, bordering on noob.

    4 faction bc?  have you not heard of stacking penalties?  which are:

    1st  - 100% effective, 2nd 87% effective, 3rd 57% effective, 4th 28% effective.
    for 90 mil each?  the 4th is a waste of isk because it won't do much for damage.

    time to hit the books are rethink this fitting.
    Wow, this is one of the worst analyses I have ever seen. You really need to look at the whole picture. The individual damage of the missile means nothing alone. It's the DPS. And it's very, very high. Same for tank. Resists are not the only number here. It's dps tanked. This includes the eft numbers for defense as well as the damage reduction from sig + speed. Even against its worst resists, em/therm, it has 600 sustained tank, which is more than enough. Many tengus have higher resists because many tengu pilots are complete idiots and overtank them. That doesn't make this bad.
    So basically, you could not be more wrong even if you tried.
    And btw if you want to not make yourself look like a noob in the future, the base shield and armor damage of ammo is literally meaningless.
  • July 29, 2009, 07:40:32 am

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    the worst?  geeez, i didn't make up these numbers.  they are provided by eve as a means of judging which is a better ammo type.

    but let's get to what really counts here.  this ship is listed as a MISSION ship.  so cost of ammo is going to be a big factor in making the mission profitable to the runner.  with that said here are some base facts.

    1) with all level 5 skills, 5% rof implant and 3 bc's the rof of a ham II launcher is 2.00 secs.  a heavy II is 3.85 secs.
    this means the ham II is going to fire twice as much (rounding the math to the nearest number for ease) and use twice as many missiles.  for PvP, this wins hands down.

    2)  the cost of terror rage runs between 422 and 500 each.  scourge fury 390 - 500 (region dependent).  so let's use an average price for the two.  461 for rage and 445 for fury.

    3) if it takes me 20 volleys to destroy 1 battleship worth 500k then i've spent 1 min 20 secs to do so and used 120 missiles.  the ham II will have used 40 volleys or 240 missiles in the same time period.  my cost is 53,400 and the ham's is 110,640.  this doesn't include waste - those missiles that were launched and don't hit the target cause they were fired before the battleship was destroyed.  i'm running a higher profit per ship per mission.  now throw in a corp tax rate - which is going to lessen the profit to the mission runner even further.

    seems to me the scourge fury wins again.  plus the mission runner makes more isk per ship per mission.

     
  • July 29, 2009, 08:02:21 am

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    Let me make this very clear to you.

    HAMs do more DPS. Period. This is undebatable and absolutely true.

    45 km range is enough for all missions, especially for a cruiser that can permarun an afterburner and run around at 670 m/s. Heavies aren't going to cut it with a range advantage.

    The cost difference is absolutely negligible.

    If you are suggesting I use your pathetic passive wannabedrake-fit tengu then please don't 'suggest' something ever again.
  • July 29, 2009, 08:15:39 am

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    gavascon has no influence.

    rofl - who said i use the fitting i posted here?  this is a play toy arena for me.

    and btw - you are increasing the explosion velocity of the mission rats' incoming damage cause you're moving towards your target (which isn't time efficient).

    you're out of range getting into range taking damage without shooting while i'm sitting still taking out targets.

    profit + time efficiency = a great mission.

    with that said - enjoy.
  • July 29, 2009, 09:04:48 am

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    rofl - who said i use the fitting i posted here?  this is a play toy arena for me.

    and btw - you are increasing the explosion velocity of the mission rats' incoming damage cause you're moving towards your target (which isn't time efficient).

    you're out of range getting into range taking damage without shooting while i'm sitting still taking out targets.

    profit + time efficiency = a great mission.

    with that said - enjoy.
    Once again you show your lack of understanding of game mechanics. The direction you are moving has no effect on explosion velocity. It only matters that you are moving at all. And once again the tank doesn't matter. It has enough. More tank doesn't kill things faster.
    Whether range advantage actually matters is debatable. It depends on the mission. On most missions the greater dps of hams more than makes up for the lost range.
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    Sweet fit, pretty much exactly what I would go for if I could fly t3.

    I'd drop a TP to fill the EM res hole but other than that it's spot on +1
  • July 29, 2009, 09:27:06 am

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    lack of understanding?  quite the contrary.

    ham's = sophisticated rocket launchers.  substituting quantity for quality.
    put 2 or 3 in the air vs 1?  you bet you do more damage.  that makes sense.

    however, range has it's advantages too.  neither is wrong or improper - neither is correct or absolute.
    it's about personal preference.

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    oh last point -

    you said "The direction you are moving has no effect on explosion velocity".

    congratulations.   you have just rewritten the laws of physics.

    please take the time to do a google search for "force" or newtonian mechanics.  specifically newton's first, second and third laws.
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    eve doesn't follow the laws of physics
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    oh last point -

    you said "The direction you are moving has no effect on explosion velocity".

    congratulations.   you have just rewritten the laws of physics.

    please take the time to do a google search for "force" or newtonian mechanics.  specifically newton's first, second and third laws.
    CCP rewrote them, not me. You might wanna look at how eve works instead of just making assumptions.
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    Gentlemen please does it really matter its his fit.. Newtons 4th law if it aint broke dont fix it.....:)
  • August 03, 2009, 02:24:14 pm

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    Missle Damage is not affected by your speed, only guns work that way. Targets speed affects missle damage though... :P
  • August 05, 2009, 12:55:17 am

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    Well, I think this was enough on HAM vs Heavies.  I wanted to make a more general comment.  Sangren, if you made this post to get a simple "up or down" approval, then you get my up because it is hard to fit a ship with that many slots and excellent characteristics so that it doesn't work for pve.  You can put HAMs or heavies, put 5 bcu or 3 target painters - you will still kill rats fairly well. 

    However, considering the name under which you made this post ("the right way to fit a Tengu"), I believe you wanted something other than a general approval - you wanted recognition that this set up is eve-efficient, i.e. it utilizes the ship's capabilities well.  If that was your purpose, then I agree with gavascon's point regarding the fourth BCU.  You may cite additional dps that it provides, but that does not make it efficient because you are utilizing 28% (or thereabout) of the fourth low slot.  In addition, I would note that tengu's cost (even compared to T2 battleships) means that tengu's design should be that much more useful/efficient than T2 battleship or a command ship.  So, is it efficient to fly this ship to kill rats using this setup?  I can't say that it is.     
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    Well, I think this was enough on HAM vs Heavies.  I wanted to make a more general comment.  Sangren, if you made this post to get a simple "up or down" approval, then you get my up because it is hard to fit a ship with that many slots and excellent characteristics so that it doesn't work for pve.  You can put HAMs or heavies, put 5 bcu or 3 target painters - you will still kill rats fairly well. 

    However, considering the name under which you made this post ("the right way to fit a Tengu"), I believe you wanted something other than a general approval - you wanted recognition that this set up is eve-efficient, i.e. it utilizes the ship's capabilities well.  If that was your purpose, then I agree with gavascon's point regarding the fourth BCU.  You may cite additional dps that it provides, but that does not make it efficient because you are utilizing 28% (or thereabout) of the fourth low slot.  In addition, I would note that tengu's cost (even compared to T2 battleships) means that tengu's design should be that much more useful/efficient than T2 battleship or a command ship.  So, is it efficient to fly this ship to kill rats using this setup?  I can't say that it is.     

    This is a pretty poor arguement,

    This is a pve ship so with that in mind you fit the minimal tank needed to run missions after that you use ALL the rest of the slots you have left on your ship to fit for dps.  Who cares that the 4th BCU is getting a pretty big hit in the dps department, it is still increasing your dps therefor decreasing your mission time.  If you can already tank the mission, there is no reason to add more tank when you can add something else that makes the mission go faster.

    This is now the setup I am using on my own Tengu (I have switched from the Tengu that i have posted because after running it for awhile i have found that it really does have way to much tank and getting a 2nd TP on there is more than worth it for killing those elite frigs).


    A side note:
      -It may be kinda hard to believe for everyone that has never flown the Tengu in PVE but if already have a Pith-A type small shield booster you can use that instead of the medium on this loadout and it will let you get away with not using T2 rigs and it will still have more than enough tank for any of the L4's out there.  In fact you only need 2 ccc's to perma run it giving you a free rig slot to use for a T2 range rig for your HAM's or a speed rig or really anything else you wanna put there.
  • August 05, 2009, 04:04:52 am

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    *Laughs in the face of this flying arround at 4km/s. Otherwise this is one of the best t3 fits i can think up on my own. GJ
  • August 12, 2009, 07:45:39 am

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    one target painter and T2 heavy missiles not heavy assaults (just in my opinion that is what i definatly prefer when hunting sleepers) and try to make it cheeper 3.5 bil is alot for a Tengu i have seen some that are just as good at 1.5
  • August 18, 2009, 03:41:39 pm

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    +1  for that fit..

    anyway.. +1 forgringimp - u right...  rig for  hams range  will be great to kill faster and comfie..instead  1 of t1 ccc rig../ and small  pith - A.. is still more then enough for any lvl 4's.. with that resists and tiny sign radius and mobility+agility ..... ::)


    and   great dps 8)
  • August 30, 2009, 10:15:24 pm

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    Nice DPS. Lacking on EM res.
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    +1 from me

    Change the title and your writing style, it's very arrogant in tone and makes people angry enough to give you a - instead of a +
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    haha I realized that, mate. Thanks for the +1 btw

    The crowd here on BC is really pointed and critical. There's no real way to keep a moderate, conservative tone when they're bashing the fitting the way they are. I admit I do it to other fits too. A lot. But I've realized lately it doesn't help very much.

    And there are 2 reasons for the title. 1) because of the attention it's getting. It's a way of getting ppl to see the fit more and 2) I'm very confident in its capabilities and think that it really is one of the only ways to fit a Tengu and take advantage of its full capabilities.
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    I think gavascon tried a troll (i know better then you rage) and only proved what a noob HE was. Check your attitude it stinks you self rightious snob. this fit does what it says on the tin, so the take the fail rage home!
  • October 03, 2009, 03:24:24 pm

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    Sweet fit, pretty much exactly what I would go for if I could fly t3.

    I'd drop a TP to fill the EM res hole but other than that it's spot on +1
    Yet you told me mine need a damage control mod. This one certainly needs it more than mine...
  • October 03, 2009, 03:25:14 pm

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    lmao this is PvE not PvP.
  • October 17, 2009, 01:00:43 am

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    I like the base setup. Some pilots can use HAM or heavy, 2 painters or resist. Depends on situation and skills. I like heavy missiles and one painter since i use other accounts with marauder, so the title is a bit strong for me.
  • October 25, 2009, 06:58:39 am

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    This has the advantage of enough speed to close with enemies that spawn at a distance rather than just waiting for them. It will also close the distance between gates faster.

    Travel between gates faster in the Tengu, agreed.  Golem with cruise missiles will almost always be in range.  So locking and killing will go faster in Golem.  Plus Golem can fly a set of medium drones.

    I have Raven, Navy Raven, Tengu and Golem.  For PVE, level 4 missions, Golem wins.

    Tengu's strength is in its flexibility.  It can DPS like an uber-Cerb, tank like an uber drake, fly Covops, provide Logistics.  Just change the subsystems and fit for the role.

    THAT is why I laugh when I see "best fit" or "the only way..." on Tengu fits.
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    This has the advantage of enough speed to close with enemies that spawn at a distance rather than just waiting for them. It will also close the distance between gates faster.

    Travel between gates faster in the Tengu, agreed.  Golem with cruise missiles will almost always be in range.  So locking and killing will go faster in Golem.  Plus Golem can fly a set of medium drones.

    I have Raven, Navy Raven, Tengu and Golem.  For PVE, level 4 missions, Golem wins.

    Tengu's strength is in its flexibility.  It can DPS like an uber-Cerb, tank like an uber drake, fly Covops, provide Logistics.  Just change the subsystems and fit for the role.

    THAT is why I laugh when I see "best fit" or "the only way..." on Tengu fits.

    It's supposed to be able to fit all of those roles but the only area where the Tengu really shines is PvE. For every other role there are ships that do them better - in PvP it is outmatched by the Proteus, in cloaky PvP by the Loki, in Logistics by the Basilisk, in Warfare Command by both the Nighthawk and the Vulture, etc.

    However, the Tengu stands alone in PvE primarily because of it's ability to destroy smaller targets with ease.

    Of course with the exception of Marauders, which are designed for PvE. But this Tengu does very well in that role.

    So, in the end, if you're going to compare t3 to other ships, definitely other ships win. It depends on how you look at it. But I think the Tengu is almost exclusively a PvE platform and should be treated as such.
  • November 07, 2009, 10:01:08 am

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     :lol: people on BC never truly look at the broad scope of things. this ship is fast. does alot of damage. can tank alot of damage. and looks sexy while doing it. you will spend the same amount of isk on a golem fit yet will struggle with smaller targets. this struggles with nothing and tanks most everything. your argument that you need twice as many HAM as you do HM to kill a battleship is ludacris because the HAM does twice as much damage with only a little smaller damage radius. i admire someone who is brave enough to put themselves out there with their thoughts but please think them through before you put them on a global forum.  :police: plus 1 from me and yes the loki does own this in pvp. hands down.
  • November 15, 2009, 11:46:14 am

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    with right implants your dps could go over 1000.... +1 from me
  • November 22, 2009, 07:17:50 pm

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    Proteus could do what this does ten times better.

    -1 for noobism.
  • November 22, 2009, 07:25:49 pm

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    Proteus could do what this does ten times better.

    -1 for noobism.

    Wrong.

    This has far more range versatility as well as nearly equal DPS, more if implants are used. In fact, against Guristas the Tengu could field a massively superior tank while simultaneously fielding a full gank setup that would tear through enemies with far more efficiency.

    In addition, the Tengu is a shield tank, therefore increasing its versatility and appeal. Shield tanks are more effective and efficient, and more versatile, than armor tanks for far more reasons than I'm willing to list. I will list a few:

    1) more cap friendly
    2) more damage friendly
    3) crystal sets kick ass
    4) there are dozens more...

    And with these advantages the Tengu is better. The only downside to this setup is its lack of drones, although it's not that much of a problem given it can also field t2 precision heavies as an alternative setup and also the 2 target painters used in conjunction with faction HAMs allows far better hitting ability against elite frigs.

    Oh, please get a brain.
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    Why the  :censored:  has this setup got -17...anyone who has -1 this is an idiot :P
  • November 22, 2009, 07:29:38 pm

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    Why the  :censored:  has this setup got -17...anyone who has -1 this is an idiot :P

    Haha yeah it kind of disappoints me...I want to see this near the top so that ppl know not to spam BC with pointless 5 launcher heavy missile fits...
  • November 22, 2009, 07:47:19 pm

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    Haha yeah it kind of disappoints me...I want to see this near the top so that ppl know not to spam BC with pointless 5 launcher heavy missile fits...

    5 launcher fits will never die, unfortunately.
  • November 22, 2009, 09:03:48 pm

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    I said it in my above post, but I will say it again just to drive home the point.  While the HAM Tengu I posted is the highest rated one on BC, this is the HAM tengu i have ended up flying. This really is the best pve HAM tengu on BC.  If i could trade my rating on mine with you I would.

    Those saying this doesn't have enough tank need to stop playing eve in my opinion, this can easily tank anything in any L4.
  • November 22, 2009, 10:08:21 pm

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    Yeah, complaints about the tank is damn ignorant. With the speed ang sig rad., this has a quite larger tank then my golem (and my golem is built semi-conservatively)

    Cost of missiles...please...

    Cost of the tengu has dropped and will continue to...golem (1.2 bil just for the hull?)

    If I flew a tengu...this would be damn close to what I'd use. +1 (partially to make up for all the douchebags)

    BTW, if you have a different/better way of fitting a ship...POST IT
  • November 23, 2009, 05:32:56 pm

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    hehe thanks guys. It's great to know that ppl who know what they're talking about endorse this setup.
  • November 23, 2009, 09:07:53 pm

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    Hey, could you fix the rigs on the loadout so that it will export to EFT correctly? When the rig changes were made they all get changed to large instead of the correct size and EFT just leaves them off rather than doing the conversion.

    Thanks.
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    yeah..kinda lame that rigs dont export to eft with the loadouts
  • November 23, 2009, 09:49:56 pm

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    Hey, could you fix the rigs on the loadout so that it will export to EFT correctly? When the rig changes were made they all get changed to large instead of the correct size and EFT just leaves them off rather than doing the conversion.

    Thanks.


    You'll have to wait for the next version of EFT, or just do what everyone else does and add the rigs manually.
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    The current version of EFT supports diffrent sized rigs.

    The OP (sangren) could edit the loadout to use medium rigs and the export would work fine. Battleclinic put large rigs on all the old loadouts and that is what is screwing up the exports.
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    The current version of EFT supports diffrent sized rigs.

    The OP (sangren) could edit the loadout to use medium rigs and the export would work fine. Battleclinic put large rigs on all the old loadouts and that is what is screwing up the exports.

    Ah, well then I do not have the latest EFT. I fail. Thanks for the update however.
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    The current version of EFT supports diffrent sized rigs.

    The OP (sangren) could edit the loadout to use medium rigs and the export would work fine. Battleclinic put large rigs on all the old loadouts and that is what is screwing up the exports.

    Huh? didn't realize there was a new version with rig sizes, I was waiting for the dominion update of EFT...
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    The current version of EFT supports diffrent sized rigs.

    The OP (sangren) could edit the loadout to use medium rigs and the export would work fine. Battleclinic put large rigs on all the old loadouts and that is what is screwing up the exports.

    Huh? didn't realize there was a new version with rig sizes, I was waiting for the dominion update of EFT...
    lol, way to keep up with the times.  been out since the rigs changed.  if anyone would know that I thought you certainly be one of them.
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    OK I changed up the rig sizes and now they are accurate :D
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    +1 because of the arguments for -1
  • December 05, 2009, 04:12:00 pm

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    I like this setup so +1

    But just a question for one of greengimp's comments:
    You talked about using a Pith-A type small shield booster. I can understand how it would be able to tank enough with speed and all that but what would happen to your tank when you are being webbed? at that point is your tank actually enough?

    This might be kinda a noob question but i'd rather find out even if it is
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    I like this setup so +1

    But just a question for one of greengimp's comments:
    You talked about using a Pith-A type small shield booster. I can understand how it would be able to tank enough with speed and all that but what would happen to your tank when you are being webbed? at that point is your tank actually enough?

    This might be kinda a noob question but i'd rather find out even if it is

    Well obviously being webbed is going to hurt your tank a little bit, but your tank will easily last long enough for you to kill the webbing ship, which should take no longer than a few seconds.  After that it is back to a normal speed tank.
  • December 08, 2009, 05:19:18 pm

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    Second noob question:

    How important is using t2 missiles? Is it worth the extra isk because I was told that t2 missile ammo was not..
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    Second noob question:

    How important is using t2 missiles? Is it worth the extra isk because I was told that t2 missile ammo was not..

    To tell the truth faction missiles would do the job just as well but t2 missiles are for killing battleships and battlecruisers more easily because of dps advantages as well as using javelin for killing at longer ranges with pretty high DPS. They provide more versatility overall.
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    third question lol

    I have my missile skills maxed for the most part and can easily fit everything on here. But the skills for using t3 ships (caldari subsystem skills and all that), how high should they be?
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    third question lol

    I have my missile skills maxed for the most part and can easily fit everything on here. But the skills for using t3 ships (caldari subsystem skills and all that), how high should they be?

    I'd recommend at least lvl 4 or 5 each...3 if you really really want to get into a t3 fast.
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    training the subsystem skills to level 5 seems a waste to me considering the possibility of skill loss if you get ganked or opt to fly a t3 in PvP.
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    training the subsystem skills to level 5 seems a waste to me considering the possibility of skill loss if you get ganked or opt to fly a t3 in PvP.

    in this case it's pve mostly in high sec and that probability is quite rare. but yes, those considerations must be taken if you're flying in low sec or 0.0. in those cases i recommend only going after defensive and offensive subsystems and saving the others for later.
  • December 09, 2009, 01:22:50 pm

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    Nice looking ship, though I would never fly it.  I'm always in 0.0 so this ship is a bit too much to invest in a single cruiser sized ship (My Tengu is under 1bn) and there is too high a risk of getting neuts on you to run an active tank IMO.  Looks like a good carebear mission fit though. 
  • December 29, 2009, 05:52:42 pm

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    Nice fit, surprised it got so many -

    +1
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    Nice fit, surprised it got so many -

    +1

    All the -1's are from morons who think this doesn't have enough tank when in fact it really is over-tanked for almost every L4 in the game.
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    I'd use specific hardeners but other than that +1

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    couple random questions..

    1) What is the max targeting range?
    2) at what distance do you use the javes?
    3) When do you use the faction ammo?
  • January 05, 2010, 07:09:14 am

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    Great fit, I use almost the same fit but went for the cheaper pithum c-type and swapped out one of the TP's for a SBA, I realise its probably still overtanked but I like the peace of mind :D  +1
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    couple random questions..

    1) What is the max targeting range?
    2) at what distance do you use the javes?
    3) When do you use the faction ammo?

    Sorry for the late response, here's some answers:

    1) 117.19 km according to EFT
    2) I usually use them starting at 30 km up until around 42-43 km. EFT range is 45 but that's not accurate because real range is always smaller. I miss a lot with missiles though primarily because I sometimes don't pay attention lol but I base my ammo on the range given by EFT.
    3) I mostly use faction ammo against anything smaller than BC, then I turn to rage ammo. Sometimes I just stay with all faction ammo.
  • January 12, 2010, 01:22:33 am

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    Sangren, Thnx for posting this fit. I am a fairly new EVE pilot, with my eyes starting to drift towards the Tengu, hopefully within the next 3 months. To this end, I have spent the past week researching the top fits, and reading all of the comments. The goal of my Tengu will be mainly pve...missions as well as possible c4 sites (however, being in c4, there's always the possibility of sudden pvp). Because of the pvp possibilities, I am planning to train all the Tengu relevant skills only to 4. So, after that ramble, my noob question: Why did you (and Greengimp) choose the Augmented Capacitor Reservoir over the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix?

    Looking at the base numbers:

    ACR: 600MW PG, 1225 (+5%/lvl) GJ, 415s Recharge
    CRM: 825MW PG, 2100GJ, 415s Recharge (-5%/lvl)

    what is this noob missing?? lol

    BTW: +1 for what seems to me a very solid fit  :)
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    Sangren, Thnx for posting this fit. I am a fairly new EVE pilot, with my eyes starting to drift towards the Tengu, hopefully within the next 3 months. To this end, I have spent the past week researching the top fits, and reading all of the comments. The goal of my Tengu will be mainly pve...missions as well as possible c4 sites (however, being in c4, there's always the possibility of sudden pvp). Because of the pvp possibilities, I am planning to train all the Tengu relevant skills only to 4. So, after that ramble, my noob question: Why did you (and Greengimp) choose the Augmented Capacitor Reservoir over the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix?

    Looking at the base numbers:

    ACR: 600MW PG, 1225 (+5%/lvl) GJ, 415s Recharge
    CRM: 825MW PG, 2100GJ, 415s Recharge (-5%/lvl)

    what is this noob missing?? lol

    BTW: +1 for what seems to me a very solid fit  :)

    The reason for the augmented cap reservoir is that it gives us another launcher slot which increases our DPS and helps us finish missions faster. That 6th launcher is the first step in making an effective Tengu setup esp. for pve
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    "I see" said the blind man....errr noob :)

    Tyvm for the explanation Sangren.

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    gasgsm might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    did you always use kin missiles or it depends on given rat type?
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    did you always use kin missiles or it depends on given rat type?

    I use kinetic missiles against all enemies that I'm too lazy to check the resists for (EoM, Mordu, Mercs, etc) and also Guristas, Serpentis, and all empire factions. Other pirate factions I use respective missile damage types.
  • February 02, 2010, 07:47:05 pm

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    Could I request some mission running videos with this setup?
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    I really think in most missions you lose time against a rigor HML Tengu with the same price tag because HAM sucks against anything smaller than BC, you can't snipe, you'll have a hard time dealing with elite frigs.

    But I won't rate it, I understand why some people prefer that kind of fit.
  • March 17, 2010, 12:58:36 pm

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    firehelix might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. firehelix might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. firehelix might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. firehelix might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    Props to Sangren.  +1 for a solid fit, and for taking the time to explain your reasoning to the (non-fail) question askers.
  • March 21, 2010, 05:34:09 pm

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    Good fitting.
    And you fought off the trolls...
    +1
  • March 21, 2010, 08:52:04 pm

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    the only viable complaint is that it needs the implant

    I know it seems minor, but when that slot if filled for something worth a lot more isk, it kinda sucks lol
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    the only viable complaint is that it needs the implant

    I know it seems minor, but when that slot if filled for something worth a lot more isk, it kinda sucks lol

    I know it's a hypocritical thing of me to say right now but I currently use CN launchers on this ship. rage and jav weren't too effective might as well stick with faction....
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    Thats interesting.. I don't see why they wouldn't be effective. Also gimps the DPS which sucks cuz then its not as much fun
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    Thats interesting.. I don't see why they wouldn't be effective. Also gimps the DPS which sucks cuz then its not as much fun

    The high explosion radius isn't compensated well even by two target painters and therefore the ammo reloading was detracting from mission completion time. At least I thought it was - I was reloading a lot.

    In addition I need the Crystal Omega for some of my other ships so I can't keep that PG implant.
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    I assume then your talking about against frigs and cruisers? I cn't believe that you would need even one TP for BS or BC.. couldn't you just switch?
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    I assume then your talking about against frigs and cruisers? I cn't believe that you would need even one TP for BS or BC.. couldn't you just switch?

    no not for BC or BS primarily because of missions with a lot of cruisers and frigs

    although the primary reason i replaced the t2 is because i needed the omega implant.
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    Sangren, thank you for posting one of the best fits on BC. This is the exact fit I will be using on my Tengu. I cant believe it has so many negative ratings. I guess if it werent for morons, no one would know who the smart people were.
    Huge +1 from me
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    Sangren, thank you for posting one of the best fits on BC. This is the exact fit I will be using on my Tengu. I cant believe it has so many negative ratings. I guess if it werent for morons, no one would know who the smart people were.
    Huge +1 from me
    LOL, a SMART person knows how to turn thier sb on an off like it's suppose to be done.
    a SMART person know that a missiles that travels 44km rage or 74km jav. is more efficient that one that travels 27km rage or 45km jav.
    So, I ask you who's the SMART people around here.  Those that gave it a + or a -?
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    Sangren, thank you for posting one of the best fits on BC. This is the exact fit I will be using on my Tengu. I cant believe it has so many negative ratings. I guess if it werent for morons, no one would know who the smart people were.
    Huge +1 from me
    LOL, a SMART person knows how to turn thier sb on an off like it's suppose to be done.
    a SMART person know that a missiles that travels 44km rage or 74km jav. is more efficient that one that travels 27km rage or 45km jav.
    So, I ask you who's the SMART people around here.  Those that gave it a + or a -?
    Damn, lol, u mad?
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    Not at all.  I just find it funny how someone would call others a moron for voicing thier opionions by voting.
    The only morons are those that don't vote.
    For the record I was comparing HAM with HAM fitting range rigs instead of cap.
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    Not at all.  I just find it funny how someone would call others a moron for voicing thier opionions by voting.
    The only morons are those that don't vote.
    For the record I was comparing HAM with HAM fitting range rigs instead of cap.
    You know, i agree. No reason for me to call someone a moron for not liking a fit.
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    I actually did +1 it.  Then, looking at it again figured it was to carebearish w/ccc rigs and switched my vote.  Not that it's bad just needs different rigs and there is no option for neutral or delete previous vote.
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    What about adding flare rigs? Would that help against some of the faster frigs? Maybe something like this? Do forgive me if I'm making a stupid mistake here, as I normally use turreted ships.

    Needs a +1% powergrid and would benefit from a +3% (CC4) energy management implant.

    [Tengu, Flares]

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Republic Fleet Target Painter
    Republic Fleet Target Painter
    Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Ballistic Deflection Field II
    Heat Dissipation Field II

    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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    Flares are pretty crappy in general, that is why they are never used (especially when another mod can be used i.e. the TP)
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    I have a question wath you need for skill so that you can fly the Tengu fleet LOOK (EFT) lvl 5 waht for skill are mean
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    I have a question wath you need for skill so that you can fly the Tengu fleet LOOK (EFT) lvl 5 waht for skill are mean

    i dislike these types of questions because the answer is "get all relevant skills as high as you possibly can"

    i recommend subsystems at lvl 5 although lvl 4 would suffice
    i recommend most if not all missile skills be at lvl 5, especially range skills and damage skills
    i recommend all relevant shield skills at lvl 5 although 4 would suffice for some
    i think awu 5 is required...unless your implant extends beyond the need of that
    and if i missed anything please train them to lvl 5 asap thx

    ...answer your question?
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    bump because of MAJOR revisions

    Flares are pretty crappy in general, that is why they are never used (especially when another mod can be used i.e. the TP)

    I'm using flares because cap rigs are no longer necessary and they're the only rigs that really help with HAM damage output :/
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    bump because of MAJOR revisions

    Flares are pretty crappy in general, that is why they are never used (especially when another mod can be used i.e. the TP)

    I'm using flares because cap rigs are no longer necessary and they're the only rigs that really help with HAM damage output :/

    true
  • July 02, 2010, 06:28:36 pm

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    I approve, I definitely do, but honestly, I prefer long range and a heavy tank way more than a speed demon ship.  If I honestly wanted a speed demon ship, I'd get a loki or a vargur and some snake implants.  Even still, I like it, it forces people to think outside the box, something which a surprisingly small amount can do.

    I also get about 650 DPS with my heavy rages as well, though I will admit that it's tougher on the elite frigs.  But then I'm moving upto a golem here soon.  Cheaper and more effective.
  • July 06, 2010, 06:54:44 am

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    I always wanted to fit HAM's on my tengu to do some crazy damage in missions. I had to realize that for many lvl4 missions, the range of 30+ (~50 javelins) is not very effective, if you instead just could be orbiting the next gate or a jetcan and lay back with 100km+ scourge fury range, and shoot down frigs with precision (WAY cheaper than faction) and a single target painter. I just think, that the extra 200 DPS + more is lost in travel time... if you do not chose your missions very accurately or pay 100% attention to plan your routes the best as possible. But for the sheer DPS and the possibility to assist in lvl 5 missions I wanna give a +1
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    ^^you don't use a tengu cause it's better than a bs.  you use it cause either you're not completely skilled for a bs or just bored.
    as for speed demon and snakes imps for killing rats, why?
    range of golem(torps) isn't much better than this.  or are you one of those guys that would put cruise missiles on their golem?

    fyi, speed/sig. rad. is a far better tank than you'll get with any bs.
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    I always wanted to fit HAM's on my tengu to do some crazy damage in missions. I had to realize that for many lvl4 missions, the range of 30+ (~50 javelins) is not very effective, if you instead just could be orbiting the next gate or a jetcan and lay back with 100km+ scourge fury range, and shoot down frigs with precision (WAY cheaper than faction) and a single target painter. I just think, that the extra 200 DPS + more is lost in travel time... if you do not chose your missions very accurately or pay 100% attention to plan your routes the best as possible. But for the sheer DPS and the possibility to assist in lvl 5 missions I wanna give a +1

    650 m/s is actually rather impressive and can reach considerable distances in very little time. 50 km with javs is also basically torp golem range, and the ability to close range while shooting and then switch to high damage missiles that can outdamage some battleships - that's great, especially with a cruiser hull. that's what makes the tengu so great - it fields a BS tank on paper that is, in reality, much stronger than a BS tank b/c of the speed tanking capabilities. it also deals enormous damage :)

    snake implants are as effective as crystal implants probably if the tengu is flown correctly, and that'll increase speed dramatically :)

    200 DPS is a lot believe me
  • July 21, 2010, 02:58:26 pm

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    one target painter and T2 heavy missiles not heavy assaults (just in my opinion that is what i definatly prefer when hunting sleepers) and try to make it cheeper 3.5 bil is alot for a Tengu i have seen some that are just as good at 1.5
    LOOK AT ESTIMATED VALUE 1.5BIL
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    1.5 bil now, when this was posted almost a year ago, 3.5 bil was accurate
  • August 24, 2010, 03:15:41 am

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    Here's what I've got... :)

    108K EHP
    801 dps omni tank (cap stable at 38%)
    294mm scan res
    117km targeting range
    114 km missiles range with 790 dps (scourge fury) 2876 volley

    speed is only 213 ms but its enough with that range...
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    Here's what I've got... :)

    108K EHP
    801 dps omni tank (cap stable at 38%)
    294mm scan res
    117km targeting range
    114 km missiles range with 790 dps (scourge fury) 2876 volley

    speed is only 213 ms but its enough with that range...
    thanks for stats...we don't care
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    You don't have to... thanks for your comment :)
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    Here's what I've got... :)

    108K EHP
    801 dps omni tank (cap stable at 38%)
    294mm scan res
    117km targeting range
    114 km missiles range with 790 dps (scourge fury) 2876 volley

    speed is only 213 ms but its enough with that range...

    ummm and what fit are you referring to?
  • August 27, 2010, 01:10:49 pm

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    ok my tengu uses heavies and does 808 dps with scourge furies, it also has an ab, tp and medium shield booster. i dont have to run anything down, i just warp in sit there and blow stuff up. now i understand the point behind this fit, but i do not believe this fit is better then mine, because u cant make more lp per hour because u r chasing stuff down. that is why i prefer the tengu over the golem. if i wanted to blow stuff up and salvage at the same time, i would get a golem. But as of right now the tengu can complete most if not all of the lvl 4 missions in eve faster then a golem as long as it is fitted with isk not in mind : )
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    ok my tengu uses heavies and does 808 dps with scourge furies, it also has an ab, tp and medium shield booster. i dont have to run anything down, i just warp in sit there and blow stuff up. now i understand the point behind this fit, but i do not believe this fit is better then mine, because u cant make more lp per hour because u r chasing stuff down. that is why i prefer the tengu over the golem. if i wanted to blow stuff up and salvage at the same time, i would get a golem. But as of right now the tengu can complete most if not all of the lvl 4 missions in eve faster then a golem as long as it is fitted with isk not in mind : )

    A few things:

    1.  The tengu is not faster than a Golem.  Yes there are a few select missions that the tengu is faster in, but overall, the Golem's mission speed kicks the shit out of a Tengu.

    2.  The debate between HM and HAM's has been done and basically there is no clear winner, each of them are faster in certain missions, and the missions is pretty much split right down the middle.

    3.  Basically what you are saying is that your setup has less dps, less tank and speed than this one, the only advantage you have is your targeting range.


    All in all you setup is not very good and I wouldn't even try to say that it is better than this.
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    2. The debate between HM and HAM's has been done and basically there is no clear winner, each of them are faster in certain missions, and the missions is pretty much split right down the middle.

    3. Basically what you are saying is that your setup has less dps, less tank and speed than this one, the only advantage you have is your targeting range.


    All in all you setup is not very good and I wouldn't even try to say that it is better than this.


    Thats funny how you turn everything upside down...

    You win by fitting HMs if you are fighting NPCs… cause you have better range and better tank
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    and suppose the mish didn't require better range?

    tank is not relevant if you don't get webbed to death.

    then, you will lose by fitting hm...cause you have less DPS.

    if you can get 988 dps @ 40km w/ham, then no point in fitting hm.
  • September 04, 2010, 08:46:50 am

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    I use the same exact fit, except I just put a faction overdrive injector in the fourth low slot instead of a fourth BCU. I like speed, but either way, both fits work perfectly for melting those mid-sized ships. +1 from me.
  • September 07, 2010, 12:24:34 pm

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    Its a nice fit +1 but I still prefer my 425mm Loki. almost identical mids except it has Dread Guristas Invulns.
  • September 14, 2010, 08:23:16 pm

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    All of this comparison of HAM vs.Heavy fails to take into consideration the falloff in damage at range. DPS is of no use if it fades into black 50km short of the opponent. Not every fight is conveniently staged at distances that a 19th century cannon could shoot. The fit is decent, as far as it goes, but I'd put a tech2 BCS in the 4th position to reduce ISK at risk against the performance gain.
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    All of this comparison of HAM vs.Heavy fails to take into consideration the falloff in damage at range. DPS is of no use if it fades into black 50km short of the opponent. Not every fight is conveniently staged at distances that a 19th century cannon could shoot. The fit is decent, as far as it goes, but I'd put a tech2 BCS in the 4th position to reduce ISK at risk against the performance gain.


    The t2 vs. faction 4th BCU is a matter of personal preference. I put the faction in there because this ship deserves it and high sec missioning comes with basically no risk. The extra benefit, no matter how little, is still a benefit nevertheless.
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    lol, loki w/425mm.  I really don't know what to say about that.
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    Federigo might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    Brilliant fit !
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    you dont put #@*&ing heavy assault launchers on a dam tengu!!!!!
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    The first EFT, will work if you have advance weapon upgrades to level 5 with a PG2 - 1% implant? if AWU is at level 4, PG4 - 3%? will cover it?

    I can fit everything, im short about 3% give or take some decimals. The PG4 brings me up to speed but once AWU hits level 5, i should be able to drop to the 1%?

    Pricey fit, but well work the isk pays for itself in the long run. i run a CNR and faster Lvl 4 clearing would be a huge bonus.
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    Yes with AWU 5 you should be able to use only a 1% PG implant if you intend on using the first EFT fit, although I must say that I've found the second one more effective - with a Crystal Omega in place of that PG implant you can remove the boost amp and replace it with a TP for many missions just fly smart.
  • November 22, 2010, 07:54:56 pm

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    Way too expensive, shit range, poor tank.  Sure, you could do every lvl 4 mission in this but you could use a cheaper shield booster and get much better tank.  flying up to everything within 30 km must be a huge pain in the ass.  When you're doing lvl 4s, you want to be able to hit anything from where you are.  the dps is good, but not good enough.  Keep in mind the huge explosion radius of HAMs compared to heavy missiles.  You will loose dps from that and the fact that you have to take time to fly to your targets. -1
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    um...

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    Way too expensive, shit range, poor tank.
    If ya have the money, so be it, and the tank is fine for lvl 4.

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    lying up to everything within 30 km must be a huge pain in the ass
    Moving at 660 makes the range negligible. Depending on mission, roughly everything comes to you within that range. Constant movement for speed tank anyway.

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    Keep in mind the huge explosion radius of HAMs compared to heavy missiles.
    Hence the reason for 2 flares and 1 TP (and you can slap on another TP if you want).

    Both HAMs and Heavies work very well...if you want a HAM tengu, this is probably the way to go. If you want a Heavies tengu, and cheaper at that, go this route....
    http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html
    http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/38645-Cheap-L4-Mission-Runner-Tengu.html
  • December 22, 2010, 06:52:59 am

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    well u must not be using this fit as there isn't enough calibration points for att those rigs would need to 450 calibration points but the ship only has 400 so nice try but no go for this set up
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    well u must not be using this fit as there isn't enough calibration points for att those rigs would need to 450 calibration points but the ship only has 400 so nice try but no go for this set up
    noob...look closer at the rigs.  you still have 100 points left.
    this was one of the best ham fits since before the incursion mwd deadspace buff.

    the new ham tengu for lvl 4's :)

    Tengu - DUAL PROP PVE...EAT SOME HAM BITCHES

  • February 22, 2011, 10:37:47 am

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    has anyone checked these fittings? either incursion has a huge bug or a nerf on the powergrid on the Tengu
  • February 28, 2011, 10:02:16 am

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    Ray Mons struggles to be heard. Ray Mons struggles to be heard.

    No idea why this has 40+ negative ratings. Tank should be minimum for your anoms/missions (AB adds an immeasurable amount of survivability) and the rest should go to DPS. That is, if you like money. +1 you'll rip through sanctums in 1.5-2 wallet updates
  • May 05, 2011, 04:55:17 am

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    Nice damage +1
    but crap tank -1

    = 0

    I'd have to test this out in action. But I would do mission running with my tengu and 400 tank is even less my tank fitted hyperion. Tho my Hyperions damage can't even remotly compare to the tengu one :P

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    Nice damage +1
    but crap tank -1

    = 0

    I'd have to test this out in action. But I would do mission running with my tengu and 400 tank is even less my tank fitted hyperion. Tho my Hyperions damage can't even remotly compare to the tengu one :P


    don't compare the tanking abilities of this and a bs.  no bs can tank as good as a fast cruiser with a small sig. rad.
  • June 15, 2011, 03:13:30 pm

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    OK, I'm confused, maybe somebody can explain.  I thought target painters increase the target ships "apparent size", thereby improving how often projectile and hybrid weapons get "good" hits.  My understanding is that the target painter improves the aiming calculations, so that, generally speaking, "well aimed" hits become "excellent" hits, and "excellent" hits become "perfectly aimed" hits.  It doesn't increase ammo damage, but the net effect of more critical hits is to increase DPS.  I think I've got that right, but if not, somebody please explain.

    However, I thought that missile damage was calculated differently than gun damage?  I thought it had to do with explosion velocity and target velocity.  In my understanding, the target painter only makes the target "appear" bigger for aiming purposes, but doesn't actually make the ship size larger, and so the explosion/target velocity calculations would not take that larger "apparent" target radius into account...?

    I don't have much experience with missiles yet (mostly use projectile/hybrid turrets & drones for DPS) but I had thought that target painters were not helpful to missiles, since they improve aiming, but missiles always hit their target (unless shot down with defenders first).

    Has anybody averaged the missile damage from combat logs over time, first with a target painter running, then without, so that they *know* the target painter is improving missile DPS?

    Any info on this would be appreciated!

    EDIT:  hm ok I found this and it's 4 years old, but it discusses this issue:

    http://www.eve-search.com/thread/197857/page/2

    ...the relevant part:

    "However, when the target's signature radius is < the explosion radius of the missile, the painter will always increase the resulting missile damage (which will be less than maximum damage) by the same percentage that the target painter paints for. A Target Painter I will increase damage against a painted target by 25% as long as the painted signature radius is still less than the missile explosion radius."

    ...so according to the guy that wrote that, he did the math and saw that, basically, target painters help you do damage to targets that are smaller than the ship size that the missiles are "intended" for...  But they don't increase damage of missiles for the ship size (or larger) that the missiles are "designed" against.   ... if I'm understanding this correctly...
  • July 02, 2011, 01:53:33 pm

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    Thought, does 3 weeks count as a necro when answering a necro post?

    tsujiban: close enough for government work. but using the word "intended" might confuse people into thinking HAMs shouldn't need painters for frigates. In fact it helps with all ships whose sig radius is smaller than the missile's explosion radius.

    Also the missile is affected such that if the painter increases the sig radius by 5% but the explosion radius is only 3% higher than the base sig radius, then the damage is only increased by 3%.

    With enough searching you can find the full damage equation which was derived from hours of a dozen or more people using various missiles against various sips with known sig radii, resistances, and velocities then processing the logs. Of course, from one patch to the next, there is no guarantee that the formula stays the same.
  • July 06, 2011, 04:23:01 am

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    thx trabber!  :-)
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    silent_sentinel might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. silent_sentinel might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. silent_sentinel might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    Why is there a Small Booster on there? You can fit a Large one and be Cap stable
  • July 21, 2012, 06:06:52 am

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    Why is there a Small Booster on there? You can fit a Large one and be Cap stable

    Actually, I don't think you can fit a large one. The not enough PG/CPU I think. And the small one works just fine. It already has a beast of a tank.
  • January 06, 2014, 11:05:28 pm

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    +1

    I use almost this exact fit except two TPs and only 1 flare to get second range rig as I use rage almost exclusively for the DPS. Tears through every L4 with ease often not even needing the shield booster. Only struggle is bonus room on AE but you just got to swap to faction ammo and EM tank to adjust.
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    Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up. Briandb1223 might just get shoved out an airlock if they keep it up.

    I used to use this fit. But then I lost 3 of them almost identical which costs me about 2.2 bill...alright if you are mission running though. Anyhow this fit is out of date as its no longer called Terror Rage...the for CN BCS's will cost you 450 mill alone plus the 4th doesn't really give a big boost in DPS when you could lose a 20 point loss for a DCU II and get even better tank. And then the third BCU should only be a regular and again not a big loss in DPS by an extra 15 or somethin like that. and its just that much cheaper. The DG boost amp is also too expensive and only gives a 1.5 extra percentage point to boost rate versus a T2 boost amp gives almost the same rate and is much cheaper.

    Also during missions...HAMs ftw especially if you got the range. Even flying towards gunnery ships like sleepers you still have PLENTY of tank to get in orbit range and hammer away...even though they could be dead by the time you get within your preferred orbit range (if you orbit like you should when dealing with NPC's as most use guns). As an FYI if you fly directly into a missile full damage will apply (that is after it gets through your resists) vs if you are heading away. Guns it works opposite. you head away you leave opt range and they have a harder time. Heading directly at them even outside opt range they'd still do decent damage. An angular approach is much better.

    But then. All this doesn't matter in PvE...why? Cause you got the tank. Where speed tank doesn't save you resists and shield booster will. In PvP though its a good idea to follow the above...at least in my experience.

    And in the end...this is a 1.1 bill Tengu, give or take. with 3 BCU's  T2 You see about 760 DPS or something like that. With CNs you see 803. Not a big diff in PvE. The extra 43 dps isn't worth the 300 mill. This one has 4 and would roughly only give 820 or so...and that's another 20 dps for another 140 mill. not really worth it. You are looking at 2-3 weeks of lvl 4's if not longer just to replace the isk spent on this fit, versus a cheaper fit using all T2 BCU's and a medium shield booster could only take 1 week of lvl 4's if not less. Won't be stable nah (3 minute cap life for me. Could get stable if you lose a launcher and swap for the regen subsys but that WOULD hurt your DPS by a 128 points) but if your shield recharge rate is at least 4 minutes it won't matter much as in PvE only activate booster when needed (as in when your shields get to at least 75-50%). Oh and drop DG amp for a T2. that said this fit will only then cost about 350 mill. could do 305 if you drop faction AB for a T2...but then I prefer the faction AB my self. And as an FYI with a med booster the rate is 212 every 3 versus the 176 every 2 with the small deadspace. Think they balance out to be the same tank but is MUCH cheaper.