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greengimp
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you should have a 3rd heat sink on there if not 4
Mike712
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Cap flux coil would probably be better than the CPR if you are just using 1, CPR's get better the more you use because the shield boost penalty is stacking penalized. Or simply get a second CCC II and drop the CPR all together for a 3rd heat sink.
jwalgraf
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you should have a 3rd heat sink on there if not 4
lol, you should use a nightmare as much as I have if you have at all b4 making a comment about something you don't know about.  re-read the post completely about CAP and more than 2x heat sinks.  I've use it with 3 and 4.  It's a cap thing.  This is for those uber dps missions you will come across from time to time.  I don't like warping out, which is something you would have to do if you had that 3rd heat sink.  Believe me.  I ran the same missions multiple times using it both ways and the cap diffence a lot more than you would think.  This ship has high enough alfa with 2x heat sinks that dps not issue to kill any BS.
jwalgraf
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Cap flux coil would probably be better than the CPR if you are just using 1, CPR's get better the more you use because the shield boost penalty is stacking penalized. Or simply get a second CCC II and drop the CPR all together for a 3rd heat sink.
your wrong also.  can't fit 1XCCC, 2X CCCII, -50 calibration.  sorry, nice try.  you simply can't live in battle clinic and eft.  go out in the realm of eve and see for yourself what really works.  :)   :n00b:
MissionFan
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3rd heatsink is pretty important in missions like AE bonus or EA5.
jwalgraf
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3rd heatsink is pretty important in missions like AE bonus or EA5.
ummm, not really.  Especially since I use my CNR for the explosive damage type.  But, I have ran them with NM using 3x heat sinks.  For some reason I believe the tracking to pop cruisers and frigs > need to kill a bs with maybe one less volley that the 3rd hs could possibly give ya.  Ohh, you didn't miss read that.  I did say I POP cruisers.  Did I mention in the OP my gunnery is very high.
     :coolsmiley: 
Silver Chair
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Too much faction, not enough officer. Fail Fit :)
greengimp
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Ok i just put this whole thing in eft just to see what you are complaining about in terms of cap.  I'm sorry but you are so over tanked that it isn't even funny.  You have a sustained tank of 702 and a burst of 887.  If you actually need all that tank you are really doing something wrong.  Since your cap is the problem, sell the X-L large and get the pithum A-type med.  That will give you plenty of tank and plenty of cap to get more gank.

Sorry but there is no such thing as enough dps, the more the you have the less tank you need and the faster you finish missions.
MissionFan
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3rd heatsink is pretty important in missions like AE bonus or EA5.
ummm, not really. Especially since I use my CNR for the explosive damage type. But, I have ran them with NM using 3x heat sinks. For some reason I believe the tracking to pop cruisers and frigs > need to kill a bs with maybe one less volley that the 3rd hs could possibly give ya. Ohh, you didn't miss read that. I did say I POP cruisers. Did I mention in the OP my gunnery is very high.
 :coolsmiley:
If you need another BS to properly do some of the missions, this is not a good fit. Especially since this is a faction BS wich should be able to do any mission relativly easy.
About your tracking.... The tracking bonus of the NM + 1 faction tracking comp gives you enough tracking. The tracking enhancer is only useful for its range bonus. But you dont need that range bonus since you can fit range scripts in your TC. So better fit a 3rd heatsink instead of that TE and make this ship efficient for any mission.

Btw, most BS with proper gunnery/ssc skills instapop those bloodraider cruisers and BC, so not much point bragging about it.
Silver Chair
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Yeah, well overtanked. Get some HG crystals and a medium booster.
Get some officer guns and 3 officer heat sinks.
Also some officer cap rechargers.
Also some officer tractors and an officer salvager wouldnt do any harm.
:)
jwalgraf
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Yeah, well overtanked. Get some HG crystals and a medium booster.
Get some officer guns and 3 officer heat sinks.
Also some officer cap rechargers.
Also some officer tractors and an officer salvager wouldnt do any harm.
:)
you're about as stupid as that kangaroo pic.  they use their feet to fight not their hands.  hence no boxing gloves needed, nor more officer mods.  you probably don't even know how much officer crap even cost. do ya? 

as far as overtanked.   NOT.  this tank saved me more than once.  can never have too much tank.  go run some Amarr missions and try tank full aggro in serp room of worlds collide and you will see.  until you do that maybe you should just STFU
Silver Chair
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Look me up in game big boy.
BTW. They need to update the new tagging feature.
Where can I find "Fail-Fit".
jwalgraf
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Ok i just put this whole thing in eft just to see what you are complaining about in terms of cap. I'm sorry but you are so over tanked that it isn't even funny. You have a sustained tank of 702 and a burst of 887. If you actually need all that tank you are really doing something wrong. Since your cap is the problem, sell the X-L large and get the pithum A-type med. That will give you plenty of tank and plenty of cap to get more gank.

Sorry but there is no such thing as enough dps, the more the you have the less tank you need and the faster you finish missions.
you obviously never been tracking disrupted to death.  i personally believe can never have enough tracking in those circumstances.  dps is just fine with 2x.  like I said I'm pretty sure the alpha damage warrants the same amount of volleys on rat bs. be it 2 or 3 I have fit.
jwalgraf
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Ok i just put this whole thing in eft just to see what you are complaining about in terms of cap. I'm sorry but you are so over tanked that it isn't even funny. You have a sustained tank of 702 and a burst of 887. If you actually need all that tank you are really doing something wrong. Since your cap is the problem, sell the X-L large and get the pithum A-type med. That will give you plenty of tank and plenty of cap to get more gank.

Sorry but there is no such thing as enough dps, the more the you have the less tank you need and the faster you finish missions.
you obviously never been tracking disrupted to death.  i personally believe can never have enough tracking in those circumstances.  dps is just fine with 2x.  like I said I'm pretty sure the alpha damage warrants the same amount of volleys on rat bs. be it 2 or 3 I have fit.
Silver Chair
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you obviously never been tracking disrupted to death. i personally believe can never have enough tracking in those circumstances. dps is just fine with 2x. like I said I'm pretty sure the alpha damage warrants the same amount of volleys on rat bs. be it 2 or 3 I have fit.

I didnt think that tracking disruptors did damage to your ship.....
Serj
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

Guess what, if everyone is telling you the exact same thing, maybe they are right.
you should have a 3rd heat sink on there if not 4
lol, you should use a nightmare as much as I have if you have at all b4 making a comment about something you don't know about.  re-read the post completely about CAP and more than 2x heat sinks.  I've use it with 3 and 4.  It's a cap thing.  This is for those uber dps missions you will come across from time to time.  I don't like warping out, which is something you would have to do if you had that 3rd heat sink.  Believe me.  I ran the same missions multiple times using it both ways and the cap diffence a lot more than you would think.  This ship has high enough alfa with 2x heat sinks that dps not issue to kill any BS.

There are no uber dps missions with maybe the exception of enemies about 5/5. If you are encountering lots, then its poor aggro management. How is it possible that so many people can get by with 4 heatsinks without warping out while you can't with your massive overtank?
jwalgraf
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Look me up in game big boy.
BTW. They need to update the new tagging feature.
Where can I find "Fail-Fit".
sure thing.  better yet, just bring all those retarded roos to TAMA.  i'll be the one that locks your pod and does funny things with your corpse.  convo will come as soon as i'm done blowing up these pos's.  perhaps 2m sometime i will have time to deal with you.  FYI,  I only post this ship for guy in eve forums that was thinking about using passive NM.
This exact fit is tried and tested on everything out there.  IMO, it works the best.  I really could care less what you say or think about it.  After all there is no excuse for ignorance.
jwalgraf
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

Guess what, if everyone is telling you the exact same thing, maybe they are right.
you should have a 3rd heat sink on there if not 4
lol, you should use a nightmare as much as I have if you have at all b4 making a comment about something you don't know about. re-read the post completely about CAP and more than 2x heat sinks. I've use it with 3 and 4. It's a cap thing. This is for those uber dps missions you will come across from time to time. I don't like warping out, which is something you would have to do if you had that 3rd heat sink. Believe me. I ran the same missions multiple times using it both ways and the cap diffence a lot more than you would think. This ship has high enough alfa with 2x heat sinks that dps not issue to kill any BS.

There are no uber dps missions with maybe the exception of enemies about 5/5. If you are encountering lots, then its poor aggro management. How is it possible that so many people can get by with 4 heatsinks without warping out while you can't with your massive overtank?
because i intentionally aggo everything.  too boring for me any other way.
greengimp
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This exact fit is tried and tested on everything out there.  IMO, it works the best.

Just because it works does not make it the best.  No one here doubts that this setup can do L4's, (It can and very easily at that).  What we are all saying is that there are ways to make it a lot better and do L4's much faster. IMO that would make it not the best since you could easily improve the fit.


I really could care less what you say or think about it.

Wow, just wow.  You posted a fitting in a public forum which is obviously used for discussion.  By posting here you are looking and caring about what other people think and say about your post or you would not have posted it originally or kept on posting...

After all there is no excuse for ignorance.

When you have a thread with this much debate in it and yet you are the ONLY one on your side, it is probably you that is violating this quote.
jwalgraf
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you obviously never been tracking disrupted to death. i personally believe can never have enough tracking in those circumstances. dps is just fine with 2x. like I said I'm pretty sure the alpha damage warrants the same amount of volleys on rat bs. be it 2 or 3 I have fit.

I didnt think that tracking disruptors did damage to your ship.....
what i tell you about that roo now?  if you can't shoot them. then you can't kill them.  if you can't kill them you will start taken loooottttts of damage.  Many mission in Amarr space are like this.  go run some and you see for yourself!
jwalgraf
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After all there is no excuse for ignorance.

When you have a thread with this much debate in it and yet you are the ONLY one on your side, it is probably you that is violating this quote.
how could that possibly be.  since, i'm obviously the only one with the skills to fly it and isk to own it posting here that has this ship and ran well over 1000 lvl 4 missions in my day.
Wicked-Prayer
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hmm a troll with PMT, its been a while.
Now listenm, this is a public board where everyone has the right to post comments and their insight on your fitting, and i tip my hat to these people for actually bothering with you, the one thing which made me laugh was the tama comment, this is a pve fitting, not a pvp so please keep the smack out of this forum.
Sure some of these things said are wrong, but saying " i really couldnt care what you say" is unconstructive and unproductive so either learn some manners and accept some advice, because the idea behind a nightmare is to gank its way through missions with a minimal tank, which this fit goes against and a lot of people are saying this.
This is a Bill isk ship, a few officer heatsinks make a very large difference, forking out a few bill for a few officer BCS for my cnr was worth it and the rate this thing annihilates missions when you arnt in Tama abusing corpses will work it back very quickly.
Silver Chair
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This. And dont :censored: with kangaroo's. Or my dingo will steal ur baby.
gsputi
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Haha wow, this thread delivers.
jwalgraf
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

actually, I do use a damage control sometimes.  when I know even with all my boosting they could get into my armor.  even had the dc save me when I couldn't get aligned fast enough due to structures, got out with 50% hull.  think it may have been the time i had 3x heat sinks fitted and were using multifrequency which drained my cap.  i don't recall the name of the mish, but think it was the reason for stripping the 3rd hs and going with tracking.

the pdu could be replaced with dc if you got balls like me and let them get into your armor/hull b4 getting the "F" outta dodge. 
WARNING: do not try this at home.  i'm a trained professional.
gsputi
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

actually, I do use a damage control sometimes.  when I know even with all my boosting they could get into my armor.  even had the dc save me when I couldn't get aligned fast enough due to structures, got out with 50% hull.  think it may have been the time i had 3x heat sinks fitted and were using multifrequency which drained my cap.  i don't recall the name of the mish, but think it was the reason for stripping the 3rd hs and going with tracking.

the pdu could be replaced with dc if you got balls like me and let them get into your armor/hull b4 getting the "F" outta dodge. 
WARNING: do not try this at home.  i'm a trained professional.
Lol, getting into armor/hull on a nightmare just means you're a scrub.
jwalgraf
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hmm a troll with PMT, its been a while.
Now listenm, this is a public board where everyone has the right to post comments and their insight on your fitting, and i tip my hat to these people for actually bothering with you, the one thing which made me laugh was the tama comment, this is a pve fitting, not a pvp so please keep the smack out of this forum.
Sure some of these things said are wrong, but saying " i really couldnt care what you say" is unconstructive and unproductive so either learn some manners and accept some advice, because the idea behind a nightmare is to gank its way through missions with a minimal tank, which this fit goes against and a lot of people are saying this.
This is a Bill isk ship, a few officer heatsinks make a very large difference, forking out a few bill for a few officer BCS for my cnr was worth it and the rate this thing annihilates missions when you arnt in Tama abusing corpses will work it back very quickly.
don't know what PMT stands for. but, know this is not a troll post.  just my eduacating those that lack intelligence, exp. what have you.  you FAIL to read the part where roo boy said to look him up cause i goofed on his pic.  that refers to pvp!!

also, if you really think officers mods make any difference on your CNR to the amount of volleys it takes to kill rats.  then, you either lack skills or are just about as smart as the kangaroo.  referring to the pic and comment about the gloves.
MissionFan
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3rd heatsink is pretty important in missions like AE bonus or EA5.
ummm, not really. Especially since I use my CNR for the explosive damage type. But, I have ran them with NM using 3x heat sinks. For some reason I believe the tracking to pop cruisers and frigs > need to kill a bs with maybe one less volley that the 3rd hs could possibly give ya. Ohh, you didn't miss read that. I did say I POP cruisers. Did I mention in the OP my gunnery is very high.
 :coolsmiley:
If you need another BS to properly do some of the missions, this is not a good fit. Especially since this is a faction BS wich should be able to do any mission relativly easy.
About your tracking.... The tracking bonus of the NM + 1 faction tracking comp gives you enough tracking. The tracking enhancer is only useful for its range bonus. But you dont need that range bonus since you can fit range scripts in your TC. So better fit a 3rd heatsink instead of that TE and make this ship efficient for any mission.

Btw, most BS with proper gunnery/ssc skills instapop those bloodraider cruisers and BC, so not much point bragging about it.

Jwalgraf chose not to reply to this last reply. Is that a sign that he might have taken that advice, or just didnt know how to make another silly reply? ;)
jwalgraf
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3rd heatsink is pretty important in missions like AE bonus or EA5.
ummm, not really. Especially since I use my CNR for the explosive damage type. But, I have ran them with NM using 3x heat sinks. For some reason I believe the tracking to pop cruisers and frigs > need to kill a bs with maybe one less volley that the 3rd hs could possibly give ya. Ohh, you didn't miss read that. I did say I POP cruisers. Did I mention in the OP my gunnery is very high.
 :coolsmiley:
If you need another BS to properly do some of the missions, this is not a good fit. Especially since this is a faction BS wich should be able to do any mission relativly easy.
About your tracking.... The tracking bonus of the NM + 1 faction tracking comp gives you enough tracking. The tracking enhancer is only useful for its range bonus. But you dont need that range bonus since you can fit range scripts in your TC. So better fit a 3rd heatsink instead of that TE and make this ship efficient for any mission.

Btw, most BS with proper gunnery/ssc skills instapop those bloodraider cruisers and BC, so not much point bragging about it.

Jwalgraf chose not to reply to this last reply. Is that a sign that he might have taken that advice, or just didnt know how to make another silly reply? ;)
nope, tracking disruptors was already discussed. 
lets talk about your name.  missionfan?  if, you really think you know what you're talking about. then, please link your char. skills(which would show the ships you can fly and exp., eggro. standings) and i will do the same in order to compare mine to yours.  you may consider this a challenge of sort if you like.  pull yours out and see whose is bigger.  failure to do so will tell us all you can't back up the crap you're trying to spit out.  just swallow what i give you and like it.  :)
jwalgraf
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

actually, I do use a damage control sometimes. when I know even with all my boosting they could get into my armor. even had the dc save me when I couldn't get aligned fast enough due to structures, got out with 50% hull. think it may have been the time i had 3x heat sinks fitted and were using multifrequency which drained my cap. i don't recall the name of the mish, but think it was the reason for stripping the 3rd hs and going with tracking.

the pdu could be replaced with dc if you got balls like me and let them get into your armor/hull b4 getting the "F" outta dodge.
WARNING: do not try this at home. i'm a trained professional.
Lol, getting into armor/hull on a nightmare just means you're a scrub.
ever run the same mission over and over and over again.  can you say "BORING".  in order to make it more interesting as previously stated.  when i get a worlds collide or another i know you're not suppose to do this.  but, I INTENTIONALLY AGGRO EVERYTHING.

doing this and getting my ship into armor or even hull doesn't make me a "scrub".  just means i'm playing the game the way i like.  6m sp in guns 2.5m in engineering isn't a scrub.
gsputi
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Make your lows 4x heatsinks and damage control or 3x heatsink and a tracking enhancer.

actually, I do use a damage control sometimes. when I know even with all my boosting they could get into my armor. even had the dc save me when I couldn't get aligned fast enough due to structures, got out with 50% hull. think it may have been the time i had 3x heat sinks fitted and were using multifrequency which drained my cap. i don't recall the name of the mish, but think it was the reason for stripping the 3rd hs and going with tracking.

the pdu could be replaced with dc if you got balls like me and let them get into your armor/hull b4 getting the "F" outta dodge.
WARNING: do not try this at home. i'm a trained professional.
Lol, getting into armor/hull on a nightmare just means you're a scrub.
ever run the same mission over and over and over again.  can you say "BORING".  in order to make it more interesting as previously stated.  when i get a worlds collide or another i know you're not suppose to do this.  but, I INTENTIONALLY AGGRO EVERYTHING.

doing this and getting my ship into armor or even hull doesn't make me a "scrub".  just means i'm playing the game the way i like.  6m sp in guns 2.5m in engineering isn't a scrub.
So you intentionally fit your nightmare badly and do missions wrong because it's less boring? It all makes sense now. I bow to your superior intellect. :iamwithstupid:
jwalgraf
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So you intentionally fit your nightmare badly and do missions wrong because it's less boring? It all makes sense now. I bow to your superior intellect.
for a badly fit, it sure as hell works very well.  better than any other fit i've used.  i've said it already.  but, just in case you've missed it.  3 or 4 hs are not necessary.  the amount of volleys it takes to kill a bs is the EXACT SAME when i only have 2x hs fit.  if anything the xtra tracking i'm using runs through all the simple missions faster than if i had used a 3rd hs.  insta popping frigs/cruisers with the tracking of this > than any need for more damage of using more hs which is nill.
 :banghead: :pwned: :banghead: :pwned:
entity001
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this is the biggest failure i have ever seen

you do realize that being an a**hole to everyone trying to make your fit better is not really cool?

listen to greengimp - he's got the best fits on the site. Listen to gsputi, listen to the ppl TRYING TO GIVE YOU ADVICE.

Want to hear mine?

Use Mega Pulse - they have enough range.
More heat sinks.
You're overtanked. Use a complex medium booster.

If you don't change you're going to lose this pretty little thing and cry. Very fast.
gsputi
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So you intentionally fit your nightmare badly and do missions wrong because it's less boring? It all makes sense now. I bow to your superior intellect.
for a badly fit, it sure as hell works very well.  better than any other fit i've used.  i've said it already.  but, just in case you've missed it.  3 or 4 hs are not necessary.  the amount of volleys it takes to kill a bs is the EXACT SAME when i only have 2x hs fit.  if anything the xtra tracking i'm using runs through all the simple missions faster than if i had used a 3rd hs.  insta popping frigs/cruisers with the tracking of this > than any need for more damage of using more hs which is nill.
 :banghead: :pwned: :banghead: :pwned:
Hey guess what, if you stop using that enormous shield booster you have the lows to fit more heat sinks AND more tracking. See how easy that was?
Btw heat sinks increase rof too, so even if it takes the same number of volleys you do those volleys faster.
Also, I forgot to mention it earlier but I like the part where you talk about your 6m sp in gunnery. That's just barely over the minimum reqs for t2 large beams. Congratulations. Nobody cares.
jwalgraf
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this is the biggest failure i have ever seen

you do realize that being an a**hole to everyone trying to make your fit better is not really cool?

listen to greengimp - he's got the best fits on the site. Listen to gsputi, listen to the ppl TRYING TO GIVE YOU ADVICE.

Want to hear mine?

Use Mega Pulse - they have enough range.
More heat sinks.
You're overtanked. Use a complex medium booster.

If you don't change you're going to lose this pretty little thing and cry. Very fast.
been there, done that.  there is no combo of guns/mods i haven't tried out. 

this possibly would have been lost if i had different fit on it. once, got dc while being scrammed with full aggro and much dps hitting me. after about 5-10 minutes was finally able to log back on to see my ship boosting like a champ.

note in the OP i said don't try tell me about needing a 3rd hs etc..  especially since it is cleary stated as to why 2X work better.  but, to each their own.  you do know what they say about options right.  everyones got one.

as far as bein an a** to them.  just think they shouldn't comment on a ship they never actually used is all.  take it however you like.  i'm talking fact and not fiction.  real exp. and not just opionions.  there sure seem to be a lot of them floation around here.  raise your hand and link you skills if you used this ship or set up similar to it.  until then, maybe you should just keep your opinions to yourself and stop trying to dismiss someone that has been there b4. 

  IRL, having no knowledge yourself.  would you try and tell a engineer/carpenter how to build his own house on the side of a cliff in CALI.  something that he has done many times already. OR would you ask/pay him to build you a dream house of your own?   
greengimp
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raise your hand and link you skills if you used this ship or set up similar to it.  until then, maybe you should just keep your opinions to yourself and stop trying to dismiss someone that has been there b4.

While i personally do not have any skills to fly the NM, my roommate does, (35m sp) and i have run several missions (close to 60, was helping him raise his faction standing while he was on vacation) using his NM.  Since i was running it i fit it the way i thought it should be fit, and i was using 3 heat sinks to start, then i went to 4 when i realized that you needed virtually no tank at all.

So when you say that i have no experience running this ship well i do.  And you have run a total of 1000 missions you say.  Well that is nice, most people don't do that many.  Once again though you are underestimating me and my mission running since i should be breaking the 4k mission mark in the next week or so, so when i talk about missions and what is needed to do them, and do them effectively, yes i do know what i'm talking about.
gsputi
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IRL, having no knowledge yourself.  would you try and tell a engineer/carpenter how to build his own house on the side of a cliff in CALI.  something that he has done many times already. OR would you ask/pay him to build you a dream house of your own?
This kind of arrogance is exactly your problem. You are not the expert engineer/carpenter. You are the annoying self-important rich guy who is trying to tell the actual engineer/carpenter how do to his job.

Your skills do not matter.
The number of missions you have run does not matter.
How well this fit performs compared to your other even worse fits does not matter.
The fit is what matters.
It's bad and no amount of sp is going to change that.
MissionFan
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nope, tracking disruptors was already discussed.
lets talk about your name. missionfan? if, you really think you know what you're talking about. then, please link your char. skills(which would show the ships you can fly and exp., eggro. standings) and i will do the same in order to compare mine to yours. you may consider this a challenge of sort if you like. pull yours out and see whose is bigger. failure to do so will tell us all you can't back up the crap you're trying to spit out. just swallow what i give you and like it. :)

If you'd use abit more intelligence, you'd have recognized that i know what i'm talking about. Theres not much point in giving you any stats of my mission character because you would likely not believe it and ask me to prove it ingame, or sonething other redicous thing.
Btw, my main missionboat is the paladin wich uses 2 faction tracking computers, wich give me enough tracking, except in the sansha blockade mission. But that  extra tracking enhancer wouldnt help you out there either.
But unlike you, i DO know what i'm talking about, maybe you should try out what i've been suggesting, because you obviously havent given it a serious thought. Maybe cause youre just some other 12 year old who just wants to do some trolling instead of posting something whats open for improvement.
sangren
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get a paladin or go home
Silver Chair
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LOL. Fatso the Wombat has spoken. You sir are a fool.
get a paladin or go home
More like sell your E-BaY Account with its Uberest skillpoints and ships, start a new account, buy a punisher, learn the basics of the game or Ctrl - Q

Look me up in game big boy.
BTW. They need to update the new tagging feature.
Where can I find "Fail-Fit".
sure thing. better yet, just bring all those retarded roos to TAMA. i'll be the one that locks your pod and does funny things with your corpse. convo will come as soon as i'm done blowing up these pos's. perhaps 2m sometime i will have time to deal with you. FYI, I only post this ship for guy in eve forums that was thinking about using passive NM.
This exact fit is tried and tested on everything out there. IMO, it works the best. I really could care less what you say or think about it. After all there is no excuse for ignorance.
Better be careful who u say that too :) I has a sister who's BF is in BOB. and they will Hot-drop your nighthawk in highsec with titans :P
I pity the fool.... :)
Silver Chair
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Also a funny side note. Here is old mate JWALGRAF asking peeps to provide their ingame details in much the same way he is posting with his ingame name.

lets talk about your name. missionfan? if, you really think you know what you're talking about. then, please link your char. skills(which would show the ships you can fly and exp., eggro. standings) and i will do the same in order to compare mine to yours. you may consider this a challenge of sort if you like. pull yours out and see whose is bigger. failure to do so will tell us all you can't back up the crap you're trying to spit out. just swallow what i give you and like it. :)
Chuang Moo
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This is one of the flamiest threads I have seen in a while, could use a good scrubbing from a mod. That said, I'm finding all the senseless shouting back and forth quite amusing =^_^=

On topic, many of the people commenting on this build have a tremendous amount of experience with mission running, they are not trying to belittle you, usually, and are indeed trying to help you optimize your fitting. While having more defense may suit your style of play more then having a lot of damage capability, that is not the most efficient way to use a nightmare. If your looking to have fun while running missions, by all means don't change a thing. If, on the other hand, you are looking to optimize your fit to make the most of your time on eve I would highly suggest you take the advice of the fine people here at battleclinic, they really do know what they are talking about. On a lighter note, flaming wont really accomplish anything; debate is all fine and good, but insulting people for little apparent reason is not, try to keep it to a minimum please.
sangren
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this is rather funny, you're arguing with ppl who have lots and lots of missioning experience.

lol i want to see you asking your sister to tell her BF to get BoB to waste its time to kill silver chair...

it's quite obvious that this fit won't cut it. nightmares weren't made for pve anyway.

again. get a paladin or go home.
jwalgraf
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this is rather funny, you're arguing with ppl who have lots and lots of missioning experience.

lol i want to see you asking your sister to tell her BF to get BoB to waste its time to kill silver chair...

it's quite obvious that this fit won't cut it. nightmares weren't made for pve anyway.

again. get a paladin or go home.
i seriously doubt they have more exp. with this ship and the missions it has seen than me.  so, why would i use a paldin, when the nm works better!!
Sarah Norbulk
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Hello. I run missions in a Nightmare on my 45M SP Amarr/Caldari pilot. Your fit is  sh!t . Shut up and go the  f*ck  home. Thank-you and good-bye.
Silver Chair
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Hey fair go. It is by no means a shit fit. It is just not the most "Efficient" NM fitting. More damage and less tank = Faster missions.
Sarah Norbulk
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It actually is. Fitting a TE over a 3rd heat sink is bad. Paying 1.6B for a dead space XL booster then using 2x faction boost amps instead of a dead space boost amp is just stupid. Fitting a CPR on a shield tanked ship and still not having it be cap stable is just awful. This is really one of the crappiest Nightmare fits I've seen.
jwalgraf
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Hello. I run missions in a Nightmare on my 45M SP Amarr/Caldari pilot. Your fit is sh!t . Shut up and go the f*ck home. Thank-you and good-bye.
lol, want some cake?  judging by your standings your exp. is lacking.  as far as ships you can fly.  looking at your losses all you fly or know how to fly are gallente.  so, maybe it's you that should go home biaatch!
Sarah Norbulk
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Hello. I run missions in a Nightmare on my 45M SP Amarr/Caldari pilot. Your fit is sh!t . Shut up and go the f*ck home. Thank-you and good-bye.
lol, want some cake?  judging by your standings your exp. is lacking.  as far as ships you can fly.  looking at your losses all you fly or know how to fly are gallente.  so, maybe it's you that should go home biaatch!

Maybe that's because I mision on a highsec alt that provides my isk income :pwned:
23gabe
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jwalf he just owned your face
jwalgraf
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Hey fair go. It is by no means a :censored: fit. It is just not the most "Efficient" NM fitting. More damage and less tank = Faster missions.
you FAIL to read how this fit is a tank for the uber dps missions.  OFCOURSE, when this much tank is not needed i use 3/4 heat sinks.  i even run it with target painter as well.  the nice thing about this game is you're able to remove/replace any mod you like other than a rig.  without losing that rig anyhow.
jwalgraf
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Hello. I run missions in a Nightmare on my 45M SP Amarr/Caldari pilot. Your fit is sh!t . Shut up and go the f*ck home. Thank-you and good-bye.
lol, want some cake? judging by your standings your exp. is lacking. as far as ships you can fly. looking at your losses all you fly or know how to fly are gallente. so, maybe it's you that should go home biaatch!

Maybe that's because I mision on a highsec alt that provides my isk income :pwned:
more like you're just a LIAR!!!! that doesn't know crap.
gsputi
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Hey fair go. It is by no means a :censored: fit. It is just not the most "Efficient" NM fitting. More damage and less tank = Faster missions.
you FAIL to read how this fit is a tank for the uber dps missions.  OFCOURSE, when this much tank is not needed i use 3/4 heat sinks.  i even run it with target painter as well.  the nice thing about this game is you're able to remove/replace any mod you like other than a rig.  without losing that rig anyhow.
Oh really? I love when people say that fits can be changed to defend their failfits. So your fit is good because it can be refit into a good fit? Gee, somehow I missed the part where your fit was actually a completely different and better fit. Btw, nice backpedaling. Why don't I refresh your memory on what you actually said:
Quote from: jwalgraf
This is the best overall setup that I came up with after messing around with different mods. such as 3/4X heat sinks, 2x heavy nos, 100mn ab etc...
Sarah Norbulk
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Maybe that's because I mision on a highsec alt that provides my isk income :pwned:
more like you're just a LIAR!!!! that doesn't know crap.
What is really ironic is that when everyone in the thread has told you that your fit is not optimal you claim that they are all wrong and that you alone are right. Then, someone with 8 months and over a thousand missions in a Nightmare says you need to listen to everyone telling you your fit is bad you call that person a liar(Because nobody has an alt in this game). And even if I did give you the name of my mission alt(who happens to be a 5.0 sec status char) kill boards would prove nothing as HE IS A HIGHSEC MISSION/INDUSTRY ALT.
jwalgraf
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i love how people take things out of context.  are you a reporter irl that only quotes half a statement or sentence? 
"The only ones I would be concerned with would be full aggro on worlds collide serp room and a few Amarr that neut, etc."
"I've use it with 3 and 4.  It's a cap thing.  This is for those uber dps missions you will come across from time to time."

you also, don't know crap and should just go home as well jackass.

Sarah Norbulk
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So now anyone that disagrees with you is a jackass. Way to resort to personal insults.  :iamwithstupid:
greengimp
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you also, don't know crap and should just go home as well jackass.



O yeah....

Well my daddy can kick  your daddy's ass.  So there.
gsputi
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i love how people take things out of context.  are you a reporter irl that only quotes half a statement or sentence? 
"The only ones I would be concerned with would be full aggro on worlds collide serp room and a few Amarr that neut, etc."
"I've use it with 3 and 4.  It's a cap thing.  This is for those uber dps missions you will come across from time to time."

you also, don't know crap and should just go home as well jackass.


Yes, because saying it's the "best overall setup" and then that it's only optimal for "uber dps" mission totally makes sense. It's not my fault your context is nonsensical because you're a blithering idiot.
jwalgraf
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you also, don't know crap and should just go home as well jackass.



O yeah....

Well my daddy can kick your daddy's ass. So there.
LOL, if your dad is as smart as you then how is it possible he was even able to know what to do in order to produce you?
greengimp
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:)
23gabe
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FEEEL the drama! This is serious business!
Sarah Norbulk
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LOL, if your dad is as smart as you then how is it possible he was even able to know what to do in order to produce you?
So let me see if I have your thought process down. My fit is perfect because I am awesome. If someone gives me advice obviously they're wrong. If I can't convince people with logic as to why my fit is better I'll just insult them.

It must be great to be you; I envy your need to seek validation over an INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME. A roaring example of self-esteem there.
jwalgraf
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This loadout has been updated
jwalgraf
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That's a shock.  Not one critic saying the new fit is too expensive.
gsputi
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Obviously it's not expensive enough. Needs luther veron invulns and shaqil's nos.
Sarah Norbulk
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That's because this is a dream fit. To be honest this isn't a bad dream fit at all. That being said, drop a NOS and use the Crystal Omega. Also, consider replacing the DC with a TE or HS. If you can't tank a mission with those mods, then a DC won't save you.
jwalgraf
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Obviously it's not expensive enough. Needs luther veron invulns and shaqil's nos.
lol, that's because luther mods don't exist, they're only an eft thing.  only his head and insignia in game and shaq nos takes up too much pg.

That's because this is a dream fit. To be honest this isn't a bad dream fit at all. That being said, drop a NOS and use the Crystal Omega. Also, consider replacing the DC with a TE or HS. If you can't tank a mission with those mods, then a DC won't save you.
omega nice and would prob. run it with one if had anything that looked similar to this.  just thinking for all those that like to put fit in eft. the second nos shows it as being cap stable. :)
gsputi
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Obviously it's not expensive enough. Needs luther veron invulns and shaqil's nos.
lol, that's because luther mods don't exist, they're only an eft thing.  only his head and insignia in game and shaq nos takes up too much pg.
And neither does this fit. That was kind of the point.
MissionFan
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That's a shock. Not one critic saying the new fit is too expensive.

Thats cause this just more proof that youre some trolling noob and that replying/advicing has no point.
jwalgraf
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That's a shock. Not one critic saying the new fit is too expensive.

Thats cause this just more proof that youre some trolling noob and that replying/advicing has no point.
let me see.  date registered you 12/18/08.  date registered me 03/03/08. 9 month difference.  so, i think it is I that make you look like the noob here.  this isn't a troll posting.  thought you said the other fit wasn't good enough and could use some improvement.
 :n00b:  :pwned:  :rofl: 
foxtrot
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greengimp
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That's a shock. Not one critic saying the new fit is too expensive.

Thats cause this just more proof that youre some trolling noob and that replying/advicing has no point.
let me see.  date registered you 12/18/08.  date registered me 03/03/08. 9 month difference.  so, i think it is I that make you look like the noob here.  this isn't a troll posting.  thought you said the other fit wasn't good enough and could use some improvement.
 :n00b:  :pwned:  :rofl: 


jwalgraf:
283 posts
0 good loadouts
been here 16 months

Missionfan:
499 posts
10 decent loadouts
been here 7 months

Sorry but missionfan wins, jwalgraf is defiantly the troll/noob
sangren
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lol agreed
gsputi
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lulz
jwalgraf
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That's a shock. Not one critic saying the new fit is too expensive.

Thats cause this just more proof that youre some trolling noob and that replying/advicing has no point.
let me see. date registered you 12/18/08. date registered me 03/03/08. 9 month difference. so, i think it is I that make you look like the noob here. this isn't a troll posting. thought you said the other fit wasn't good enough and could use some improvement.
 :n00b: :pwned: :rofl:


jwalgraf:
283 posts
0 good loadouts
been here 16 months

Missionfan:
499 posts
10 decent loadouts
been here 7 months

Sorry but missionfan wins, jwalgraf is defiantly the troll/noob
oh noooooos, date registered 11/21/08 you also must know more than me.

lol agreed
date reg. 7/21/09.  it's good to see noob agree with each other.
lulz
date reg. 2/20/09.  more noobs omfg. i need get outta here b4 I start thinkin like them.  peace out.  good luck listening to each other.  see how far that will get ya.
funny, even if you added up all your exp. together it still wouldn't be close to mine.
sangren
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lol too bad you suck at making good loadouts
jwalgraf
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lol too bad you suck at making good loadouts
you wouldn't know a good loadout if it bit ya in the butt.  stupid  :n00b:
Crunchbite36
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TBH I like this loadout +1
jwalgraf
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This loadout has been updated
jwalgraf
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TBH I like this loadout +1
Thanks crunch.  But, I had to change it back to the one I actually use.  Just showing one for others that don't have multi-billions to spend.  I'll post t2 version with fresh post.  Had to keep it real!!! for those hatters out there that posted on this one.
Sarah Norbulk
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It's a shame this fit started off so bad, but at least its reasonable now. Very good cheapish fit for the Nightmare.
MINA123
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this fit looks fairly good

and I demand to know where everybody gets these bloody pictures !!!

so for now fear my BUKKIT
Silver Chair
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OP still eats failsauce. :P
KDxVindicatioN
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i dont know whats worse the OP flailing about  trying to debate why his fit is the best, or the rest of you trying to tell him its not over and ovr and over again instead of realizing that hes thinks he's the real MC Coy, personally i preffer to Spank more and tank less, if you wanna take twice as long to run missions then thats your perogitive.

thumbs up for a slow boat
MINA123
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Abelard Nightbringer
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lol, did i seriously see him mention TAMA in one of his responses?
Mike712
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Thread cleaned.

Please try and keep it civil...Mina

Regards
The BattleClinic Team
MINA123
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Thread cleaned.

Please try and keep it civil...Mina


well time for some technicallitys to try and not have this blamed on me

my technicallitys are the op refused advise from EVERYONE even you so I felt it was needed to show how childish he was being
vicror
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I use this with an AB fit in place of sba.  You rarely need that much tank.
Whenever I don't use my capbooster gank fit this is nice change whenever you have to go afk.  Also, great in the rare chance of dc while being scrammed.  Wonder what's up with all the -'s.  excellent fit +1
foxtrot
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Wonder what's up with all the -'s.  excellent fit +1

Maybe because he finally started listening to ppl and completely changed it compared to what he initially had posted?
MINA123
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think he started out with like, the best deadspace and officer shizzle and cap stability and everything
TBozz
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Best lunch time read ever!

wind em up and watch em go

Nightmare: LVL 4 MISSION KILLER

jwalgraf's Nightmare built 2009-07-22

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True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Cap Recharger II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Empty
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Modulename
With new changes for dominion swapped the pdu for flux as they make this cap stable now with everything running.
This ship should be used with the following implants

Full set of crystals for 1-5
Slot 6: Crystal Omega or 5% pg if you also fly a pally and use expensive lar that take up you powergrid.
Slot 7: Ogdin's Eye Coordination Enhancer
Slot 8: 'Squire" CC8
Slot 9: 'Gunslinger' CX-2
Slot 10: 'Lancer' G2-Epsilon

Targeting

Maximum targets 7
Maximum targeting range 100 km
Scan resolution 137.5
Sensor strength 0 0 0 28

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 142.5
Inertia modifier 0.08235
Signature radius 370 m
Cargo capacity 665 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 5560 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 2 minutes 28 seconds
Powergrid 13880.2 / 18125MW
CPU 645.25 / 887.5 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 13187.5
Shield recharge time 33 minutes 24 seconds
Shield resistances 57.87% 78.93% 74.72% 66.3%

Armor

Armor hit points 10812.5
Armor resistances 50% 20% 25% 35%

Structure

Structure hit points 10250
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 75 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 75 m3
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[Nightmare, Nightmare: LVL 4 MISSION KILLER]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Empty

Cap Recharger II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster

True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Acolyte II
Hobgoblin II
Hornet II
Warrior II
Item Quantity Value
Nightmare 1 323,900,000
Capacitor Flux Coil II 2 500,000
Cap Recharger II 1 549,253
Acolyte II 1 300,000
Hobgoblin II 1 414,715
Hornet II 1 266,001
Warrior II 1 419,835
True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser 4 50,002,300
True Sansha Heat Sink 3 68,280,000
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field 2 185,600,000
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier 2 52,606,600
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer 1 174,202,000
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster 1 455,970,000
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L 1 769,998
Imperial Navy Gamma L 1 774,505
Imperial Navy Standard L 1 850,997
Imperial Navy Radio L 1 800
Small Tractor Beam I 1 1,507,000
Salvager I 1 40,011
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 2 7,768,500
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II 1 57,799,900
Optimal Range Script 1 65
Tracking Speed Script 1 1,201
Total 1,915,565,681
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