Loadout: Golem that actually has TP's
Golem that actually has TP's
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I've seen a good number of pretty fail fit golems on this forum in the last few weeks.? This is one that is obviously for missions and has mods that match the ship.?
This setup has 2 Tp's cause for a torp boat you need them, those that say you don't obviously haven't run a torp boat before.? Also this boat is made for torps, to me a cruise golem is just blasphemy. Stats: Javelin: Dps = 996 volley = 6163 range = 60.3 km Rate of Fire = 7.35 seconds Rage: Dps = 1350 volley = 8765 range = 35.7 km RoF = 7.35 seconds Faction ammo: Dps = 1228 volley = 7868 range = 40.2 Rof = 7.35 seconds Omni Tank = 574 dps The booster boosts 431 shield every 3 seconds. For those that say this isn't enough tank, well learn to properly run a L4.? With the firepower this boat has this is still prolly overtanked for almost every mission out there. Cap stable at 35% Range rigs are kinda a must. This boat runs close to 4 bil (+/- a couple 100 mil) but that isn't too bad for a serious L4 runner. For some missions feel free to drop the cap recharger for a AB to get to gates faster.? When doing this though you will need to pay attention to your cap.? Using the tractors/TP's and AB with th shield booster running will only last for 5-6 mins, so you should be monitoring your cap while doing this, it isn't hard though. I put 3 tractors on it but that is just personal pref feel free to have any salvager/tractor combo you want. Thanks for replies and reading this.? Please rate me up if you like this fit. I've had folks ask me to make some video's of my missions to show exactly how i run this ship. I tried to get some of the more popular/bigger missions. I hope you enjoy these and hope they help. (Note you will prolly be able to run these about 10% faster than I did in the videos. Reason for this is that to get a good quality video i was recording in a high fps and it lagged me a goodly bit) The Videos: Angel Extravaganza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I37po3UeuBo Attack of the Drones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5fQKmQii4 Blockade (Angel): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_GdM62sgL4 Damsel in Distress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaeKreI4-4 Gone Berserk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kDriyuU-_s Pirate Invasion (angel): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4QRXRmgh14 Vengeance (angel): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkr_MtQLWQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Updated on May 29, 2009 Having used this fitting for awhile and reading some of the comments i've gotten I have wanted to be able to fit an AB on this ship without having my tank or dps suffer.? I have come up with this fitting now making full use of implants.? This is not cheap and will only be viable for the rich or very serious mission runners but this is a golem after all so that is what people flying this ship are anyway. What i have done is to basically replace the CN shield boost amp by using the crystal implants.? Doing this gives me a omni tank of 560 which is basically what i was running before. Since I now have an extra slot it is going to be used for my AB.? Now we have 2 TP's and an AB without giving up any dps or tank. I filled implant slots 6-10 with 3 missile implants a cap implant and in slot 8 the only useful thing i saw was to reduce cap of TP usage so threw that on there as well. Making these changes this setup can run ALL mods for just shy of 12 minutes.? With the AB off it is of course stable. With this fitting your jav's can reach out and touch something 68.9km away, rage have a respectable 40.8km range. For the missions that you do not need the AB (which are most of them) you can either put the shield boost amp back on or throw on a 3rd TP.? I have become very fond of using 3 TP's now that i have tried it and occasionally will use 4 taking off the cap recharger just for fun (cruisers are just a joke now). I believe i have now reached the Golem's full potential with this newest fitting and have fixed the one hole that it did have (the AB).? I'm not going to change the battleclinic fitting because i believe it is what most people can and will run, this is just what I've now chosen to do to completely maximize this ship. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, so I've had a number of people message me asking for a plain old T2 Golem fitting. The following is what i have come up with: There are a few things about this fit. Seeing as how i was not allowed to use any faction whatsoever i broke down and put a cap booster on there. Due to fitting issues it is a medium one. The tank is 457 sustained and 639 peak so it has enough tank to do the missions but you will just have to be aware of your cap while missioning. The dps is not bad but the faction BCU's definitely add a little extra bang, but this is a ton of dps for just T2. The biggest drawback to this fit is that there is really not much you can do to change the fit. I.E. there is pretty much no flexibility in the fitting to adjust for different missions, you'll need to start getting some faction before you can change things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The first pic is the original fitting, the second is the May 29 updated fitting. The third is the July 23 update.
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April 30, 2009, 10:27:27 pmLieutenant, Junior Grade
Reputation: 18
Yay not stupidly overtanked. Pretty much perfect.
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May 01, 2009, 04:36:15 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 6
That's a mean arse setup. +1 -
May 01, 2009, 07:26:20 am
Petty Officer 2nd. Class
Reputation: 0
THIS is how a golem is supposed to be fitted. focussed on the application of DPS not insane tank. my friend
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May 01, 2009, 08:44:41 am
Crewman Apprentice
Reputation: 0
Best named TP's are better than T2's -
May 01, 2009, 09:16:30 am
Petty Officer 1st. Class
Reputation: 1
great setup man, properly balancedBest named TP's are better than T2's
this isn't true, the best named are just easier to fit, the stats are identical. -
May 01, 2009, 09:20:07 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 6
If named performs as good as T2 and has better fitting requirements, then doesn't that make it better overall in application?
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May 01, 2009, 09:26:39 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 0
great setup man, properly balanced
Best named TP's are better than T2's
this isn't true, the best named are just easier to fit, the stats are identical.
It may of changed with Apocrypha but last time I looked Best Named used less cap per cycle than T2. -
May 01, 2009, 11:54:20 am
Lieutenant Commander
Reputation: 8
can it kill cruisers/hacs at a decent rate?? you're not the only one using dual tp's
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May 01, 2009, 11:59:55 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 57
nearly 9k volley, omgwtfbbq... Plus one from me definatly -
May 01, 2009, 01:19:12 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 1
I guess I should have clarified. I meant in this setup there's no difference between best named and t2... he has plenty of cap with everything running and his cpu isn't even close to being used up. so there's no point in switching TPs as you'd gain absolutely nothing.great setup man, properly balanced
Best named TP's are better than T2's
this isn't true, the best named are just easier to fit, the stats are identical.
It may of changed with Apocrypha but last time I looked Best Named used less cap per cycle than T2. -
May 01, 2009, 03:05:29 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 0
... wow. Thank you for bringing sanity to the Golem fitting world! -
May 01, 2009, 04:23:36 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 22
very very nice fit.... i go try now
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May 01, 2009, 08:22:20 pm
Lieutenant
Reputation: 55
Best named TP's are better than T2's
you are right, i didn't bother looking at it since the t2 ones fit but the named ones are better.
With named TP's it is actually cap stable at 45% -
May 02, 2009, 12:51:18 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 0
bump for a good build -
May 03, 2009, 01:57:03 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
nearly 9k volley, omgwtfbbq... Plus one from me definatly
This made me giggle a little, and yes if BS's get into range of your rage torps, you will be able to pretty much hit for the max (before they take into account resists) -
May 08, 2009, 06:47:11 am
Member 5th Class
Reputation: 0
Works great, Good frontload DPS and Tanking is defintely enough. -
May 08, 2009, 07:03:17 am
Crewman
Reputation: 0
Nice setup. Nearly identical to the one I use and posted. I use PWNAGE painters on mine. I'll try your setup. Yours has the additional BCU with the recharger in mids, so I like it already - it's giving me an additional 60 DPS which should make up for the loss of 240 Defense.
You may have some range issues even with your Javelins - that 60 km range is actually more like 50 km in-game, so you could run into issues against the really far-orbiting rats. I put T2 rigs on mine to extend the max range out to 66 km, so 56 km in-game, which solves that issue. -
May 14, 2009, 08:26:50 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
So my question to you is what torps are you loading it with? what are you perfering to use etc. Yes I am pretty new so cut me slack I am just trying to get a feel for all of this
I'm basically using 3 types of ammo for this.
Javelin's: I use these for anything that is out side the range of my other torps. the General cutoff i use is 30-35km out because anything farther away than this i'm not always gonna hit with the other torps so i use the jav's for this.
Rage: I use these for BS's and BC's inside 30km.
Faction: These are for cruisers and smaller, I normally save these for last if at all possible because that gives the drones time to kill whatever they can, and faction torps are generally the most expensive.
If you don't wanna use faction torps then go with the T1 or jav's for cruisers and below because of the smaller explosion radius. -
May 24, 2009, 03:25:36 pm
Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 5
Hi, I was looking at this layout to compare the performance to the palsadin that I use. I am not planning on flying the golem but I have quite a bit of experience with running lvl 4's as fast as possible since I hate mission running.
All this long intro to say that I have noticed that there is a way to improve your setup in efficiency without gimping anything already designed. Currently you have too much cap stability with the amount of DPS you put out but lack the speed to be able to run the lvl 4's under 15 minutes.
My suggestion is very simple: Drop the cap recharger ând replace it with a core B 100mn afterburner. I am sure you understand the basic reasoning behind this, also consider that since you have no tracking issues it can also be used defensively to reduce incoming DPS and not only to cover distances from A to B.
Yes you will have to watch your cap more carefully and could even consider using one of the utility high slots for a medium nos if you are really worried about cap.
I don't usually comment caldari setups since they tend to be braindead, but this setup looks nice and you can tell that it's actually tested on the field rather than simply EFT warrioring.
Cheers -
May 24, 2009, 03:45:53 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Thanks foxtrot, when i run pretty much any of the serp missions (if i actually do them) i normally throw on the AB. you do have to watch the cap with this but it isn't a problem.
Normally what i do when i run with the AB is to actually replace the boost amp because the tank i lose from that i pretty much gain back from the AB's speed and it gives me more wiggle room with the cap useage.
I prolly should have stated somewhere that i live in mimnatar space so i fight mainly angel and don't have to move, which is why i didn't include it in my setup.
Good comment though foxtrot.
Hope folks like and use this setup though. -
May 24, 2009, 04:10:17 pm
Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 5
Yeah I can see why you would avoid running serpentis missions... gotta love those defender missiles gimping your DPS and staying at range... -
May 27, 2009, 02:41:34 pm
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
Serpentists always damp me. Might not be an issue in a BS, but since I am not rich enough to afford a Marauder I use a Drake do to the "Cheap to buy, easy to fly" factor. Damping is a big issue for me since I only have a 59km locking range
I really really really like this Golem fit. I'm trying to figure out a way to afford buying this, and then using it myself. -
May 27, 2009, 03:31:15 pm
Senior Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 2
Seems like a decent fit this, +1 -
May 28, 2009, 11:07:59 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 0
Excellent fit. I would have switched one of the tractors for a salvager, but it is set up better than anything else I've seen, far and away.
Makes me kind of sad that I fly a Paladin with lower stats all the way around. -
May 28, 2009, 12:04:19 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Excellent fit. I would have switched one of the tractors for a salvager, but it is set up better than anything else I've seen, far and away.
If you fly alone you use 2 tractor 1 salvager, this is for when you have a salvage alt.
Makes me kind of sad that I fly a Paladin with lower stats all the way around. -
May 28, 2009, 08:43:14 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
It is now May 29, 2009 and i have just updated this fitting. See the update in the original post for details and a picture.Excellent fit. I would have switched one of the tractors for a salvager, but it is set up better than anything else I've seen, far and away.
Makes me kind of sad that I fly a Paladin with lower stats all the way around.
The extra 3 high slots are really for whatever you wanna put there. Gsputi is right in the fact that i have a dedicated salvager. I have a rohk that sports 8 salvagers in the highs and then has cargo extenders and cargo opt rigs. Basically i just blitz the missions in my golem while my alt cleans up the wreck balls.
Some folks i know run with the salvager/tractor combo to just cheery pick the good wrecks while they blitz missions for LP. -
May 28, 2009, 09:16:46 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
4 painters
. Do you one volley elite frigs yet?
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May 28, 2009, 09:26:24 pm
Member 1st Class
Reputation: 0
took away my
because you're using a ab now. my nightmare has sick range with tachs and i often fly it with ab also.
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May 29, 2009, 01:46:39 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
4 painters
. Do you one volley elite frigs yet?
I did manage to one volley just 1 elite frig using faction ammo just to be able to say i did, since then i havn't even tried since it is just a waste of a volley when you can let your drones do it. Cruisers on the other hand basically turn into BC's when you have 3 TP's on them so they can take 1-2 shots.took away my
because you're using a ab now. my nightmare has sick range with tachs and i often fly it with ab also.
Ty, even though i don't always utilize the AB it is nice to be able to have it on there even when i don't need it. Kinda fun seeing a golem flying at 350 m/s. -
May 29, 2009, 06:22:09 pm
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
I hope to be flying one of your non-halo implant requiring Golems when I get back to Eve in 3 months. -
May 31, 2009, 09:05:57 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 51
when i get into a golem, this will be the setup, thanks for putting me on the path to golem again, cant wait to put through the paces. -
June 07, 2009, 01:25:16 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
The best fit? Do you ever try pull all rats? [with about xx bs? xx cruis and xx drones] Or the bonus rooms in a few missions? I know this setup cant do that. I use xlarge pith b plus pith x boost amplif, with 2 cnif like you, with 2 tp and stasis, cap stabile [boost 1490]. -
June 07, 2009, 01:39:41 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
The best fit? Do you ever try pull all rats? [with about xx bs? xx cruis and xx drones] Or the bonus rooms in a few missions? I know this setup cant do that. I use xlarge pith b plus pith x boost amplif, with 2 cnif like you, with 2 tp and stasis, cap stabile [boost 1490].
I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say, but yes this setup can very easily do the bonus room in AE. I have done every mission out of mim space with this and not had to warp out. The biggest defense this ship has is the crazy amount of damage it puts out.
Also i said it in my original post and i'll say it again, if you can't run a mission with the tank this ship has, you are doing it wrong. -
June 07, 2009, 03:04:56 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
The best fit? Do you ever try pull all rats? [with about xx bs? xx cruis and xx drones] Or the bonus rooms in a few missions? I know this setup cant do that. I use xlarge pith b plus pith x boost amplif, with 2 cnif like you, with 2 tp and stasis, cap stabile [boost 1490].
I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say, but yes this setup can very easily do the bonus room in AE. I have done every mission out of mim space with this and not had to warp out. The biggest defense this ship has is the crazy amount of damage it puts out.
Also i said it in my original post and i'll say it again, if you can't run a mission with the tank this ship has, you are doing it wrong.
First sorry for my english, but english is not my first or even sec language.
ANd now about your fit. Think about another player who can come to your mission deadspace. And not for help you
You must think about that doing every mission. Or im wrong?
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June 07, 2009, 03:12:57 am
CrewmanReputation: 0
Surely a Larger shield booster would server it better. -
June 07, 2009, 03:48:59 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
First sorry for my english, but english is not my first or even sec language.
ANd now about your fit. Think about another player who can come to your mission deadspace. And not for help you You must think about that doing every mission. Or im wrong?
This ship is only meant for high-sec, in which case you do not need to worry about anyone trying to kill you in the middle of your mission as you have concord on your side.Surely a Larger shield booster would server it better.
I mean i guess you could throw on a X-L booster and just pulse it if you wanted to. The reason i use the medium is that it lets me be cap stable. This me concentrate on all the other stuff i need to do while running the mission. With the speed this kills I am constantly locking new targets, telling drones what they need to kill, pulling in wrecks and cherry picking the loot i want. While doing all this it is nice to not have to worry about your booster.
Just to put this into perspective. The CNR i run only has a 390 omni tank and does any and all missions fine. This golem has 150 more tank and kills faster, there is no need for more tank. -
June 07, 2009, 04:07:43 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
First sorry for my english, but english is not my first or even sec language.
ANd now about your fit. Think about another player who can come to your mission deadspace. And not for help you You must think about that doing every mission. Or im wrong?
This ship is only meant for high-sec, in which case you do not need to worry about anyone trying to kill you in the middle of your mission as you have concord on your side.
And please tell me why you think so? Im doing alot of mission in below 0.5 ss places with Golem. Where is note "Golem only for h-s"? -
June 07, 2009, 06:28:46 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 1
First sorry for my english, but english is not my first or even sec language.
This ship is only meant for high-sec, in which case you do not need to worry about anyone trying to kill you in the middle of your mission as you have concord on your side.
ANd now about your fit. Think about another player who can come to your mission deadspace. And not for help you You must think about that doing every mission. Or im wrong?
And please tell me why you think so? Im doing alot of mission in below 0.5 ss places with Golem. Where is note "Golem only for h-s"?
Youre just making a problem of something that isnt a problem. Greengimp said he uses this loadout for high sec, he's not saying anywhere that youre not allowed to use it low sec. -
June 07, 2009, 08:48:35 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 1
The best fit? Do you ever try pull all rats? [with about xx bs? xx cruis and xx drones] Or the bonus rooms in a few missions? I know this setup cant do that. I use xlarge pith b plus pith x boost amplif, with 2 cnif like you, with 2 tp and stasis, cap stabile [boost 1490].
if you think this is undertanked you really need to re-examine how you run missions... are you seriously suggesting you're cap stable with an XL pith B? I don't wanna know what your lows look like, your damage must be crap... and honestly, who the hell needs to tank more than 1K damage? run your L4s in HS like everyone elseSurely a Larger shield booster would server it better.
medium and below shield boosters are far more cap efficient than large and XL... you can get almost twice the HP/cap -
June 07, 2009, 11:51:29 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
My fault - i use Gist b type not pith. Sorry. ANd i dont think that my setup is overtanked. I usually puling all what is. I dont need look at a triagle targets. Just stay and kill them one by one. Im doing alot of mission. ANd thers a few missions where you cant tank with greengim setup if you just try massive pull. And smth i have "another player on my head" in my mission. So all i want to say is: if you can be stabile cap and have more boost - do that. Becouse you dont know what can you meet in next jump. Its not single player game. Thats all. -
June 07, 2009, 01:00:46 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
And please tell me why you think so? Im doing alot of mission in below 0.5 ss places with Golem. Where is note "Golem only for h-s"?
I'm not saying you can't do missions in low-sec, i just am not taking this one there. This is around a 4 bil isk ship (and anther 3-4 in implants if you go that route). I don't plan on putting it harms way by going low-sec. If you mission in low sec then this prolly isn't the best fit for you since yoru right you have other stuff to worry about there.
The point of missions is to do them as fast as possible. That is what i kept in mind when designing this loadout. I wanted to have as much gank as possible while have the minimum tank required to complete missions. Yes if i ever pull the entire second room in WC i'm prolly gonna be warping out, or if i don't have to i'm going to be sitting on the edge of my seat the whole time wondering if i'm going to need to warp out. This is not a problem though since it is easy to manage agro in missions and after doing all of them 30 or more times you don't even have to think about what you are doing. -
June 15, 2009, 03:12:31 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
would having a tractor beam, salvager and drone link aug be better? that way you could just cherry pick what you want and still have good range with your drones. -
June 15, 2009, 09:50:00 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 1
would having a tractor beam, salvager and drone link aug be better? that way you could just cherry pick what you want and still have good range with your drones.
he has a salvaging ship go through after he runs the mission... a couple of tractors and a salvager would work, but it's probably faster to just make a wreck ball and have a salvager warp to it -
June 15, 2009, 02:14:47 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
would having a tractor beam, salvager and drone link aug be better? that way you could just cherry pick what you want and still have good range with your drones.
In my op you might see notice that i really don't care what you put in your utility slots (that is what i like to call them). These slots are determined by your particular play style. Personally i change them sometimes depending on the mood i'm in at the time. -
June 16, 2009, 03:58:41 am
Crewman Recruit
Reputation: 0
i have to say that i dont know to fitt ships after i discover this setup.in my opinion its perfect.to bad im not a caldari.good job.congrats.fly safe everyone -
June 16, 2009, 11:28:24 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
if u wanna do missions fastest way possible, golem still aint the ship to fly.
I changed back to my CNR after some testing and i still cant find anything that can beat it.
Mt CNR also cost around 4bill, tank 830dps does 700 missile dps, but u just loose way to much time on torps due to the flying.
+ with the tank im currently having, u can pull whatever u want (exept a few missions) and to it as fast as u want.
Tested Worlds collide vs a fully pimped golem user with around the same setup, i cleared all stages + salvaged before he was done killing.
Boring as hell that the CNR still is the only ship a missile pilot can fly if he wanna do missions the fastest way.
+vote for the effort
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June 16, 2009, 06:33:27 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
if u wanna do missions fastest way possible, golem still aint the ship to fly.
I changed back to my CNR after some testing and i still cant find anything that can beat it.
Mt CNR also cost around 4bill, tank 830dps does 700 missile dps, but u just loose way to much time on torps due to the flying.
+ with the tank im currently having, u can pull whatever u want (exept a few missions) and to it as fast as u want.
Tested Worlds collide vs a fully pimped golem user with around the same setup, i cleared all stages + salvaged before he was done killing.
Boring as hell that the CNR still is the only ship a missile pilot can fly if he wanna do missions the fastest way.
+vote for the effort
Ok so yes there are a few missions that the CNR is going to beat the Golem in mission completion times but for the majority of missions the golem is king. If you look at my loadouts you will see the CNR that i run, i have run both of these ships quite a lot.
WC is a very bad mission to use and just say that the CNR is better. yes the CNR will beat the Golem in this mission be cause the first room is all long range sniping and the rest of the rooms have a good number of cruisers which also works in the CNR's favor. If you look at any of the missions with a lot of BS/BC's the golem is going to absolutely wipe the floor with the CNR (gone berserk, pirate invasion, blockade, Mordu's folly, damsel just to name a few)
You really shoudl just have both ships and use the one that is better suited to the mission. Also if you don't have the proper support skills to run the golem it is going to fail miserably, it is a very skill dependant ship. -
June 16, 2009, 10:22:01 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
well using both is really expencive though, i wish the golem had any kind of damage bonus so i didnt have to use torps.
i really dont like torps after trying them abit, for pvp they are a great DPS boost, but in missions i just cant justify it, to many missions that requires 60-90km targeting range, and alot missions have 3-4 times more cruisers/frigates then BS's.
But if u can afford to have 2 ships to do missions with that is fully faction/complex fitted, u got more money than me
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June 16, 2009, 10:43:08 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
well using both is really expencive though, i wish the golem had any kind of damage bonus so i didnt have to use torps.
i really dont like torps after trying them abit, for pvp they are a great DPS boost, but in missions i just cant justify it, to many missions that requires 60-90km targeting range, and alot missions have 3-4 times more cruisers/frigates then BS's.
But if u can afford to have 2 ships to do missions with that is fully faction/complex fitted, u got more money than me
Other than the hull and the launchers, they both use the same mods, it shouldn't be an issue to have both. -
June 17, 2009, 10:54:33 am
Member 2nd Class
Reputation: 0
Unless something has changed in the last couple weeks, EFT doesn't provide accurate stats when you fit ships. I'll have to re-download and verify for myself. Is there any chance you can throw this fit into EVEHQ and see if the numbers come out the same?
Nice fit either way. -
June 18, 2009, 11:21:05 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Love the setup, use it for all my lvl 4's havent had a real problem yet. I am curious as to if you can use a pith x-type large booster (instead of med), i know it requires allot more cap but you can grab more aggro (since the dps is so high and the targeting is so slow (even with 80mil+ sp)).
All in all this ship performs great solo and even better in fleet (bonuses) just wish it had another high slot (2tractors, to salvs)
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June 18, 2009, 11:31:55 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Love the setup, use it for all my lvl 4's havent had a real problem yet. I am curious as to if you can use a pith x-type large booster (instead of med), i know it requires allot more cap but you can grab more aggro (since the dps is so high and the targeting is so slow (even with 80mil+ sp)).
All in all this ship performs great solo and even better in fleet (bonuses) just wish it had another high slot (2tractors, to salvs)
You should be able to run that booster if you want to, you just won't be cap stable and will have to pulse it but i don't see that being a problem. -
June 19, 2009, 06:20:32 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Nice fit. Just a question. Is the DPS affected that mutch using 4 BCU's? Usually after 3 the gain is not justified. Maybe putting on 1 Power diagnostic unit t2 giving u extra shields and cap would be better. -
June 19, 2009, 09:18:24 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 1
Nice fit. Just a question. Is the DPS affected that mutch using 4 BCU's? Usually after 3 the gain is not justified. Maybe putting on 1 Power diagnostic unit t2 giving u extra shields and cap would be better.
if you have no need of more cap or shields the ~6.6% extra damage that a fourth BCU provides is worth it... especially when your goal is fast mission running -
June 19, 2009, 04:30:31 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Nice fit. Just a question. Is the DPS affected that mutch using 4 BCU's? Usually after 3 the gain is not justified. Maybe putting on 1 Power diagnostic unit t2 giving u extra shields and cap would be better.
if you have no need of more cap or shields the ~6.6% extra damage that a fourth BCU provides is worth it... especially when your goal is fast mission running
Litus has it right. The whole point of a mission boat is to do the missions as fast as possible. Once you have enough tank to get through a mission, what is the point of having more, it isn't like there is going to be a difference in anything that matters (like mission completion times) if you have 500 tank or a 2.5k tank. With that said I found that this tank lets me get through any mission. I have of late even started taking off more and more of the tank which i mentioned at some point above. I am now very regularly running missions with 3 and 4 TP's. This is because i've found there are missions that i only need the shield booster/shield amp/ and 1 hardener, so for me having more than that is a waste if i can fit more damage mods and do the mission faster.
Just to give you an idea of what my mission hangar looks like. I have fully a fully fitted: Golem, CNR, Tengu, Drake, Rifter, Badger, and Freighter. all sitting there ready to go depending on what mission i get, because they all excel on at least 1 mission for me. For the Golem I believe i have 5-6 different saved fittings that i use that have slightly different variations of the golem that i have posted here. This is because for the different missions they all have slightly different tanks and such that are needed. -
June 20, 2009, 10:50:07 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
ok from the start, i use rougly around 3-4 volleys on a battleship unless its something special, named etc.
A golem i would say could prolly do it in 2-3?
Ok maybe the golem is "quicker" there, but my problem is not the battleships, its the 150m/s cruisers that u hit for 50% damage (with 2 x TP's)
I tried a mission yesterday with 2 x TP and i was like, HOW THE HELL can u manage like that ?
My damage was so bad (torps lvl 5 etc) i almost got scared.
So my question is, do you spend so much time flying around getting in range, and changing to the right ammo etc that it feels faster?
I got max drone skills (for damage), and i use my tech2 hobs/hammerheads to take down cruisers and frigates, but u know what?
Im ALWAYS done killing battleships long before im done with the small stuff.
And in most missions, there are alot more cruisers/frigates than battleships.
I just cant see how a golem can be faster for missions, i really dont.
Everytime i hear golem users say its so good etc, i feel really sad inside...
just some random stuff about me:
i target 100km - shoot 248km (and even range is sometimes a issue for me)
tank 830 - dps 700
can target 10 ships at once (7 is max for raven)
i use hotkeys for attacking with drones etc, and ive done a REAL big amount of missions over the years, due to the constant updates to the mission guide we update.
(http://eve-survival.org/)
Im not pulling stuff out of my A** i just dont see how you can say a golem is faster than a "same priced" CNR. -
June 20, 2009, 11:42:52 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Why don't you time yourself instead of just posting how it feels faster?
This thread has like numbers and stuff. -
June 22, 2009, 02:22:02 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
ok from the start, i use rougly around 3-4 volleys on a battleship unless its something special, named etc.
A golem i would say could prolly do it in 2-3?
Ok maybe the golem is "quicker" there, but my problem is not the battleships, its the 150m/s cruisers that u hit for 50% damage (with 2 x TP's)
I tried a mission yesterday with 2 x TP and i was like, HOW THE HELL can u manage like that ?
My damage was so bad (torps lvl 5 etc) i almost got scared.
So my question is, do you spend so much time flying around getting in range, and changing to the right ammo etc that it feels faster?
I got max drone skills (for damage), and i use my tech2 hobs/hammerheads to take down cruisers and frigates, but u know what?
Im ALWAYS done killing battleships long before im done with the small stuff.
And in most missions, there are alot more cruisers/frigates than battleships.
I just cant see how a golem can be faster for missions, i really dont.
Everytime i hear golem users say its so good etc, i feel really sad inside...
just some random stuff about me:
i target 100km - shoot 248km (and even range is sometimes a issue for me)
tank 830 - dps 700
can target 10 ships at once (7 is max for raven)
i use hotkeys for attacking with drones etc, and ive done a REAL big amount of missions over the years, due to the constant updates to the mission guide we update.
(http://eve-survival.org/)
Im not pulling stuff out of my A** i just dont see how you can say a golem is faster than a "same priced" CNR.
If you are looking purely at mission completion times then yes a CNR is going to beat the golem on a few missions. The reason that the golem is a better boat most of the time though is that while it may spot the CNR a minute or 2 on a few of the missions it more than makes up for this with the fact that it can cherry pick the Large wrecks. Being able to loot/salvage most of the good wrecks in missions makes this ship king.
As to you having trouble using the torp golem i would suggest that you work on your skills. There are several TP skills that you should have to at least 4 (TP %, optimal, and falloff). Not to mention having all the missile support skills also leveled. The golem is a very hard boat to fly if you do not have the proper skills to go with it.
Please in the future do not try to claim that one ship is better than another if you cannot back that statement up with some sort of facts. Just stating your feelings does not cut it. -
June 25, 2009, 10:44:59 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
So I finally converted over to your pithum A-type medium shield booster and am enjoying the intense dps this boat dishes out, the 4th BCU really kicks out that extra punch (the bigger the number the better the 4th BCU works DO SOME MATH if you dont believe us). I also decided to put on tech 2 rigs (the range REALLY helps, great investment). I have run into a couple missions (worlds collide (serp and guristas) where i changed up the tank and dps a lil (PDUII and another resist, taking out the 4th BCU and cap recharger in the mid) giving me more security when running the larger missions.
On the topic of damage: I have insta-popped frigs and cruisers with javs if they are headed straight on (ive noticed this does require the 4th BCU).
I have another question though, I have been thinking about using TP drones in addition to the 2 TP's since if the frigs and cruisers an be taken care of so quickly with insta-pops, then attack drones dont have any use
Thanks for the setups Greengimp.
P.S. Corp is looking for a viable T3 setup for wormholes, been asking around and seems like spider tanking command ships could work, just looking for ingame data to base a wormhole fleet on (this question is addressed to all plz) -
June 25, 2009, 08:32:54 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
On the topic of damage: I have insta-popped frigs and cruisers with javs if they are headed straight on (ive noticed this does require the 4th BCU).
I have another question though, I have been thinking about using TP drones in addition to the 2 TP's since if the frigs and cruisers an be taken care of so quickly with insta-pops, then attack drones dont have any use
First off i'm glad you like it.
As for the TP drones. I have never actually tried this but at the same time i don't really see a huge need for it. I mainly only use light drones anymore and all they do is kill frigs. It isn't often that i manage to kill all the destroyers/cruisers/BC/BS's before the drones finish off the frigs. I can only think of maybe 1-2 missions where this might happen though. The main mission i'm thinking of is stop the thief. My drones normally have a few frigs left to kill by the time i have killed everything. In this case it might be worth it to have some TP drones. If you try it let me know, i havn't yet because looking at the TP drones stats they dont' look all that great.
Another option though is to run with 3-4 TP's on your ship. Now this may seem like you are losing too much tank but if you think about it, most missions with a lot of frigs don't require big tanks anyway so you can easily get away with it. I have personally started running most of my missions with 3 TP's and i really do enjoy it.
Good luck with your Golem. -
July 01, 2009, 09:06:57 pm
Member 3rd class
Reputation: 0
Man I wish I could fly one of these things. -
July 08, 2009, 09:12:56 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Sweet,dude. Just what I was looking for... -
July 08, 2009, 01:07:34 pm
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
This one is a thumps up for me, you hit it right on
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July 10, 2009, 05:26:46 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Excuse my NEWBIDITY, but I just cant make up my mind about the rigs.
With 1 rocket fuel II and 1 hydraulic bay thruster II your range is 43.7 with Tech I Torpedo.
However, with 2 hydraulic bay thrusters II your rage using a Tech I Torpedo is 42.8
So its just a decision between choosing 900 meters extra range or 700m/s missle velocity. I know the goal here is to get max range and based on that, choosing one of each is the right answer. But is 900 meters extra range worth loosing 700m/s missle velocity?
More missle velocity = kill shit faster = take less damage
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July 10, 2009, 06:52:31 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Excuse my NEWBIDITY, but I just cant make up my mind about the rigs.
That only matters for pvp. It takes the same number of salvos to kill generic battleship x no matter what the flight time is. You already take negligible damage anyway, the few seconds of incoming dps that would save is not nearly enough to matter.
With 1 rocket fuel II and 1 hydraulic bay thruster II your range is 43.7 with Tech I Torpedo.
However, with 2 hydraulic bay thrusters II your rage using a Tech I Torpedo is 42.8
So its just a decision between choosing 900 meters extra range or 700m/s missle velocity. I know the goal here is to get max range and based on that, choosing one of each is the right answer. But is 900 meters extra range worth loosing 700m/s missle velocity?
More missle velocity = kill
faster = take less damage -
July 13, 2009, 03:58:00 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
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July 13, 2009, 09:38:34 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
thats very nice mate, good job.
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July 20, 2009, 06:32:37 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Illusion... Remove the drones. Actually Javellin's DPS is only about 740, with full skill...
If you want DPS, please use Caldari Navy Raven.O(∩_∩)O~ -
July 21, 2009, 02:31:05 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Illusion... Remove the drones. Actually Javellin's DPS is only about 740, with full skill...
If you want DPS, please use Caldari Navy Raven.O(∩_∩)O~
Without the drones but with implants the jav's dps is 864, that is good damage plus you can use faction or rage and get even more damage, CNR doesn't compete as long as you are fighting stuff that likes to stay close. I fly both, i know. -
July 21, 2009, 03:57:26 pm
Member
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Nice Set up mate! -
July 23, 2009, 09:37:22 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Tried this out with not so lavish kit on AE and was well impressed nice one -
July 23, 2009, 11:59:59 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Ok, so I've had a number of people message me asking for a plain old T2 Golem fitting. The following is what i have come up with:
The EFT pic is going to be updated in the OP.
There are a few things about this fit. Seeing as how i was not allowed to use any faction whatsoever i broke down and put a cap booster on there. Due to fitting issues it is a medium one. The tank is 457 sustained and 639 peak so it has enough tank to do the missions but you will just have to be aware of your cap while missioning.
The dps is not bad but the faction BCU's definitely add a little extra bang, but this is a ton of dps for just T2.
The biggest drawback to this fit is that there is really not much you can do to change the fit. I.E. there is pretty much no flexibility in the fitting to adjust for different missions, you'll need to start getting some faction before you can change things.
I hope this helps folks with the transition into a faction fitted Golem. I do realize that you don't just walk into a pimped out ship and have to start from somewhere. -
July 23, 2009, 12:23:07 pm
Commodore
Reputation: 655
Faction shield booster is the 1 must imo, if you can afford a golem you can afford a Pith A type large(450 million) and that will give you a great tank without too many cap issues. -
July 23, 2009, 03:22:50 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Faction shield booster is the 1 must imo, if you can afford a golem you can afford a Pith A type large(450 million) and that will give you a great tank without too many cap issues.
Trust me, lol i realize this, i just keep getting folks asking me for a T2 only, that is the only reason i posted that fit. I would never fly it but if you are a cheap skate it should do the job. -
July 24, 2009, 08:18:02 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Enjoying this setup immensely. Picked up a nice officer AB for same price as listed core a-type. Uses a little more computer but I have that in spades.
I still have a few missile skills to get to L5 but so far I am enjoying it. Thanks for the build.
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July 26, 2009, 04:45:16 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. Class
Reputation: 0
I think all at been sayd !
Nice PvE Fitting.
No, it's not nice, it's Perfect ! Congratulations ! -
July 26, 2009, 05:37:49 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Where did all those random question marks in the description come from?
Or is it just me... -
July 26, 2009, 05:45:35 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Where did all those random question marks in the description come from?
Or is it just me...
i have no idea, they weren't there the last time i looked, and i just tried to edit it and remove them, but they did not appear. I think i must just be a bug, still some kinks in the new site to work out i guess. -
July 31, 2009, 04:17:07 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
I tried this fit recently and i think it's amazing..
I must confess my Golem was massively over tanked (3800HP per 4secs) although the DPS wasn't too great. Trading the uber tank for 1200+ DPS is awesome.
Great fit +1 from me
DE
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August 06, 2009, 04:25:11 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
This is purely a self promoting bump, but i have to do it seeing as how thanks to everyone that has rated this loadout with +1's this has now cracked the top 20 highest ranked loadouts for all of Battleclinic. Who knows maybe in a few weeks it will even see the top 10.
Thanks again. -
August 07, 2009, 11:18:38 pm
Member 4th Class
Reputation: 1
oh my god you BEAST! that things gotta run lvl 5 missions all the time! now for another 3 months and ill have one ^.^ -
August 07, 2009, 11:43:41 pm
CommodoreReputation: 655
No this will die horribly an catastrophically on lv5's for a start it has no where near enough tank, second even if it did have a 1k+ DPS perma tank it would be neuted to death by neut towers webbed scrammed and popped.
For lv5's you need a purely resist based buffer tank 85%+ resists to the required damage types and a logistics remote rep ship, or a passive nighthawk or Ishtar. -
August 08, 2009, 08:55:24 pm
Captain
Reputation: 288
Level Vs would eat this for breakfast, regardless of how nice the fit it. Listen to mike! -
August 08, 2009, 10:05:21 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
In a Lvl 5 anything that relies on cap will die. So this fit would be very bad for that. Not to mention i'm not going to be taking this down into lowsec ever. -
August 08, 2009, 10:12:51 pm
Rear Admiral
Reputation: 495
In a Lvl 5 anything that relies on cap will die. So this fit would be very bad for that. Not to mention i'm not going to be taking this down into lowsec ever.
low sec definitely a bad idea. however not all lvl 5s neut. -
August 08, 2009, 11:20:24 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
In a Lvl 5 anything that relies on cap will die. So this fit would be very bad for that. Not to mention i'm not going to be taking this down into lowsec ever.
low sec definitely a bad idea. however not all lvl 5s neut.
that is true, the vast majority though do nuet, i don't know what the odds of getting a L5 that doesn't nuet and is in highsec are though, anyone wanting to try that i wouldn't hold your breath -
August 09, 2009, 05:27:02 pm
Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 5
Even if you don't get neuted this fit wouldn't survive a lvl 5 alone, but that's beside the point since this fit is intended for lvl 4's in highsec. -
August 15, 2009, 03:12:38 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
What do you think about changing the cap recharger and booster for a gist+pith a-type small boosters? As far as I can see it would give a good amount of tank(509 omni) quite a bit cheaper. -
August 15, 2009, 04:08:24 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
What do you think about changing the cap recharger and booster for a gist+pith a-type small boosters? As far as I can see it would give a good amount of tank(509 omni) quite a bit cheaper.
Basically as long as you don't mess with any of the gank stuff (rigs/lows/tp's) you can really do whatever you want with the tank. I just went with the medium because it gave a better tank + gives me the option to more easily change the setup (AB/3rd TP) and still keep a decent tank. But if the cost is what you are concerned with you basically have 5 mids to play with to make whatever tank you can. As long as it is above 400 sustained it should be more than fine. -
August 20, 2009, 02:09:08 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 1
very very very nice. my only complaint is the 4 BCU's. The 4th doesn't add much damage or fire rate so why not drop it for a DCU II? Its just me maybe, I put one on all my fits +1
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August 20, 2009, 02:52:55 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
very very very nice. my only complaint is the 4 BCU's. The 4th doesn't add much damage or fire rate so why not drop it for a DCU II? Its just me maybe, I put one on all my fits
+1
A DCU adds a little tank but in reality that means nothing since this can already tank everything in L4's. Once you can tank the mission what is the point of more tank?
A 4th BCU adds 67 more missile dps(when using CN ammo), while it is not huge by any means it is still something that is going to help you do missions faster. This makes it leaps and bounds better than the DCU. -
August 20, 2009, 06:30:25 am
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 1
very very very nice. my only complaint is the 4 BCU's. The 4th doesn't add much damage or fire rate so why not drop it for a DCU II? Its just me maybe, I put one on all my fits
+1
A DCU adds a little tank but in reality that means nothing since this can already tank everything in L4's. Once you can tank the mission what is the point of more tank?
A 4th BCU adds 67 more missile dps(when using CN ammo), while it is not huge by any means it is still something that is going to help you do missions faster. This makes it leaps and bounds better than the DCU.
all true. i'm a safety net kinda guy myself and like having that last inch to fall back on. then again, your right seeing as this thing will tank everything a level 4 could throw at it and then a lot more anyway! Who needs a net when you have torpedoes? -
August 26, 2009, 09:42:25 am
Master Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 32
LOL Yes gank in missions work at this level. Insta volly a BC and 3 volly a BS FTW! Its funny to see stuff melt that fast. Thats some serious isk sinking. -
August 30, 2009, 05:22:00 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Curious as to which specific drones you field with this beast and under which conditions. Could you further enlighten? tnx -
August 30, 2009, 05:34:03 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 77
+1'ing an awesome fit. -
August 30, 2009, 08:29:56 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Curious as to which specific drones you field with this beast and under which conditions. Could you further enlighten? tnx
Use whatever drones the enemy is weakest too. I normally work in Angel space so I see a lot of angel and serp rats which means i use warroirs/hornets more often than not. I really hate the folks that always use thermal drones because they have the best dps in EFT, when it comes down to playing the game the damage type that the enemy is weakest too will do the most damage in the end.
Most folks like to carry a flight of lights/meds in their drone bays. I've lately taken to just carrying 3 flights of lights so it is just one less thing i need to worry about switching between missions (warriors/hornets/hobgoblins). What really makes this feasible is the fact that your torps should be 1 volleying cruisers anyway. -
September 02, 2009, 10:23:54 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
I've been converted, training Torps now, good job.
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September 03, 2009, 01:40:55 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Very good setup! But what about rats with EM damage? I entered the setup in EFT and it's true, this beast has a 574dps Omni Tank - but when I change the damage type to 100% EM it's only 377dps. Of course I don't think there are rats doing 100% EM damage but what about Blood Raiders (464dps) or Sansha (449dps)? Do you think this 449dps tank against Sansha is still enough?
I've bought a Gist A-Type EM hardener for my Nighthawk (around 120mio ISK). If you drop the Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp and fit this EM hardner your cap ist still stable but now you tank 514dps (Blood) and 520dps (Sansha). Of course only against these two rats. Against all the others your setup is much better.
Otherwise I really like this setup. I spend most of my weapon SP in missiles (can use T2 torps), and have excellent shiled tank and capacitor skills. In 10 days I can fly the Golem (need Energy Grid Upgrades 5) and will definetly try out this setup. -
September 03, 2009, 03:38:55 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Very good setup! But what about rats with EM damage? I entered the setup in EFT and it's true, this beast has a 574dps Omni Tank - but when I change the damage type to 100% EM it's only 377dps. Of course I don't think there are rats doing 100% EM damage but what about Blood Raiders (464dps) or Sansha (449dps)? Do you think this 449dps tank against Sansha is still enough?
I've bought a Gist A-Type EM hardener for my Nighthawk (around 120mio ISK). If you drop the Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp and fit this EM hardner your cap ist still stable but now you tank 514dps (Blood) and 520dps (Sansha). Of course only against these two rats. Against all the others your setup is much better.
Otherwise I really like this setup. I spend most of my weapon SP in missiles (can use T2 torps), and have excellent shiled tank and capacitor skills. In 10 days I can fly the Golem (need Energy Grid Upgrades 5) and will definetly try out this setup.
464 dps tank will be plenty. For pretty much anything. The reason for this is that your main defense on this ship is your ability to kill things quickly. Now if you wanna change up the mids to give yourself a unstable tank (and this will be able to tank more) that is fine but i have never found the need so i just run it like this so it is just one less thing i need to worry about since i really do have my hands full killing/looting/salvaging. For your first time out though just to see how this ship handles you may go with the unstable tank and just not worry about the loot/salvage so much. -
September 07, 2009, 04:00:00 pm
Ensign
Reputation: 79
I cannot deny this fit. i was scpetical at first, but now...
i tried using a perma tank fit, and somehow lost it due to lack of cap, even thou it was cap stable.
i changed to this setup, well a variation of it
my mids are ( i work in sansha space) 2 em, 1 thermal hardner, 1 DG boost amp, and a pith a type xl booster, pushes 1200/cycle.
and the lows are, dcu, bcu, 2 pdu ( for more shield buffer, and cap buffer)
i find the tank holds pretty well with the cap drainer, and even if the cap does get drained, i have enough shield buffer for the cap to recharge to 50% before needing it again
and without the tp's it wouldent be any use at all. -
September 08, 2009, 05:05:40 pm
Crewman ApprenticeReputation: 9
Why spend all that money on crystals then you dont even have the omega plugged in? -
September 08, 2009, 09:10:21 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Why spend all that money on crystals then you dont even have the omega plugged in?
i don't have the omega plugged in because i don't need the extra tank. The point of the loadout was to get as much gank as possible while maintaining a minimal tank that was still good enough to prevent warpouts. Since the tank is good enough i value the extra damage from the ZMT2000 more. -
September 10, 2009, 12:52:03 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
whats in drone bay on the setup of Golem - Implant Golem.jpg picture??
although great setup +1 -
September 10, 2009, 01:23:42 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
whats in drone bay on the setup of Golem - Implant Golem.jpg picture??
although great setup +1
5 hammerheads -
September 10, 2009, 01:38:50 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
im trying to get the fit on EFT but i got a major luck on dps about -190 and volley about 2014 points although all other numbers are the same..im uploading a pic now to figure out why.... -
September 10, 2009, 01:56:13 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
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September 10, 2009, 02:01:53 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Golem
here is it i just cant figure out where the lack is...
that one was using rage ammo (T2) -
September 10, 2009, 02:10:20 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
im blind thats for sure....(lol thnks) ++1 for the awesome setup -
September 18, 2009, 12:48:50 pm
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
I was totally unsure if I should buy one or not. This is a spectacular load-out. I have a few questions though, as I am not about to buy all of this without researching it thoroughly. I usually do complexes on my own and go back with a salvage ship to do the clean up. How would your Golem work with 3 drone link augmentors? +1 for the load-out for sure though!
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September 18, 2009, 01:04:10 pm
CommodoreReputation: 655
Not really necessary to fit 3, one will cover the maximum range at which rats engage.
That still leaves you 1 salvager and 1 tractor to salvage the most tasty wrecks.
Besides in mission salvaging saves you allot of time more isk/hr is always a good thing. -
September 22, 2009, 08:55:25 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Bumping for selfish reasons.
This has now cracked the top 10 of all loadouts on battleclinic! -
September 22, 2009, 08:48:09 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
WOW great fitting! -
September 23, 2009, 04:18:47 am
EnsignReputation: 79
how come you suddenly have -30?? last time i checked it was 3
ps.
why not use republic fleet TP's? they have a slightly better bonus to sig rad, though they do use slightly more cap. -
September 23, 2009, 04:32:54 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
why not use republic fleet TP's? they have a slightly better bonus to sig rad, though they do use slightly more cap.
because when i made the loadout they didn't exist and i've been too lazy to update it with them (i am using them though) -
September 26, 2009, 11:44:40 am
MemberReputation: 0
Why torpedoes over cruise missiles on a Golem? I saw the OP's comment about "blasphemy", but I don't understand why most people use cruise missiles on a Raven and torpedoes on a Golem. -
September 26, 2009, 11:58:03 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Why torpedoes over cruise missiles on a Golem? I saw the OP's comment about "blasphemy", but I don't understand why most people use cruise missiles on a Raven and torpedoes on a Golem.
Well the Golem is really the only ship in the game that has the bonuses to make use of torps. The ship gets a bonus to TP's which is great because of the insanely big explosion radius of torps and it gets an explosion velocity bonus. In addition to this the Golem gets bonuses to tanking which means you can free up more of your rig and mid slots to help your dps.
Basically a cruise Golem is going to do less damage than a cruise CNR (around the 700 mark) whereas a torp golem can do 1k dps from 35-60km and closer to 1300 dps inside 35km. This is what makes torps so much better than cruise. -
September 26, 2009, 01:10:48 pm
MemberReputation: 0
Ty vm! -
October 03, 2009, 08:44:35 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
+1! For a sweet Golem fit.
I drive a CNR and my high sp toon drives a Vargur since I have better gunfighting skilz with that one.
Since my Vargur uses a very similar faction active tank, your fit has inspired me to buy a Golem and share mods until I can afford to do a separate fit.
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October 03, 2009, 09:48:19 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
+1! For a sweet Golem fit.
I drive a CNR and my high sp toon drives a Vargur since I have better gunfighting skilz with that one.
Since my Vargur uses a very similar faction active tank, your fit has inspired me to buy a Golem and share mods until I can afford to do a separate fit.
ty, i also have a vargur fit you might wanna check out also, it makes use of the same tanking mods -
October 05, 2009, 07:20:39 am
EnsignReputation: 34
Best PvE fit on Battleclinc.
Reap the praise gg, you've earned it.
Oh... +1 -
October 05, 2009, 09:09:39 am
CrewmanReputation: 2
-1, your setup really needs a third painter. The AB is not mandatory in most missions, and the missions where it is you can easily go with two hardeners. Well, I don't know about that with the Pithum booster, but with a CN XL you can.
-Liang -
October 05, 2009, 09:44:14 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 77
Read the op ffs, he says you can take of the ab if the mission doesn't require it and replace it with a third tp or shield boost amp. Learn to read of please consider another option, thanks!. -
October 05, 2009, 01:23:55 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
-1, your setup really needs a third painter. The AB is not mandatory in most missions, and the missions where it is you can easily go with two hardeners. Well, I don't know about that with the Pithum booster, but with a CN XL you can.
-Liang
you actually try fitting an extra large with the rest, your gonna hit cap problems very fast, and thats if it fits with with tight cpu on it... -
October 05, 2009, 02:39:02 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
-1, your setup really needs a third painter. The AB is not mandatory in most missions, and the missions where it is you can easily go with two hardeners. Well, I don't know about that with the Pithum booster, but with a CN XL you can.
-Liang
I mentioned in the OP that you can take off the cap recharger for either a 3rd TP or an AB if you wanted it for that mission. The reason i left it off in the original fitting though is that for most folks just getting the 2nd TP on there is hard and they are not used to doing it, not to mention that the 3rd TP really only helps with cruisers/frigs and even on the cruisers i don't notice a difference in the number of volleys it takes to kill. -
October 06, 2009, 01:09:52 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 0
-1, your setup really needs a third painter. The AB is not mandatory in most missions, and the missions where it is you can easily go with two hardeners. Well, I don't know about that with the Pithum booster, but with a CN XL you can.
liang dont rate the loadout until u tested in the field.its perfect. im running with medium sb-er every mission and i dont have problems thx to greengimp's loadouts.i dont fly a golem but i suggest this fit to some guys and they are running missions with a big smile on there faces.
-Liang -
October 06, 2009, 01:49:21 am
EnsignReputation: 79
i finnaly got my setup closer to this. and managed to finish a blockade, including salvaging it, within 40 mins. i got a bounty prize of 13.4m. thats not doable in any other ship. best ive managed in any other ship is 9m.
since using this setup. im averaging 20 to 25m an hour just in bounties, and 60 to 70m and hour in loot/ salvage -
October 06, 2009, 11:34:17 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
liang dont rate the loadout until u tested in the field.its perfect. im running with medium sb-er every mission and i dont have problems thx to greengimp's loadouts.i dont fly a golem but i suggest this fit to some guys and they are running missions with a big smile on there faces.
Yeah, because I'm going to spend 1.5B isk on a shield booster so that I can say "YEP, I TESTED IT AND I DON'T LIKE IT!!" No, I already know the answer.you actually try fitting an extra large with the rest, your gonna hit cap problems very fast, and thats if it fits with with tight cpu on it...
As a matter of fact, I'm running missions right now in a CN XL fitted Golem with 3 painters. Right now. Know what? No cap issues.I mentioned in the OP that you can take off the cap recharger for either a 3rd TP or an AB if you wanted it for that mission. The reason i left it off in the original fitting though is that for most folks just getting the 2nd TP on there is hard and they are not used to doing it, not to mention that the 3rd TP really only helps with cruisers/frigs and even on the cruisers i don't notice a difference in the number of volleys it takes to kill.
Comments:
- You seem very unsure of suggesting a third painter in your OP. Suggesting a two painter fit because people are scared to fit three is kinda fail. I'd never have tried a third painter except at the insistence that it was The Right Way. I tried one, two, and three painters.... and three is in fact The Right Way.
- You say it really only helps vs Cuisers and Frigs, but just what do you spend your time shooting at anyway? The BS's melt in ~3 volleys and BCs easily instapop... which leaves cruisers (which also instapop when in range of CN torps and you have three painters on them). I guess I could try running missions with two painters again and see if they started instapopping since last time I tried it....
- The actual fitting in your OP does not reflect what you actually run (having dropped the SBA for Crystals). I'd double -1 your setup just for not updating your setup to reflect what you *actually* fly. Yes, I know you posted a long dissertation on the variations of the setup - which are quite wide variations!
- Suggesting a Pithum booster is kinda fail too. Yes, it will work. Yes, there are ways to do it oh so much cheaper.
-Liang -
October 07, 2009, 02:49:38 am
Commander
Reputation: 121
I don't find the cost of something like a sb an issue when you could easily sell it if you're not happy with it or just want the isk for something else. It's more like insurance for the rest of your ship which is a very wise investment imo. My 1.5b xl gist saved my CNR and NM a few times. Almost sold it when the price got up to just under 3b. But, I didn't need the isk and my ship just didn't look the same w/o it.
Think op is sceptical as I am of the dc wild card with some isp or if like me have a problem staying awake sometimes. -
October 07, 2009, 09:44:53 pm
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
Jesus, Liang is quite the elitist eh?...anyway...
I got a golem a couple months or so ago, and fitted it with this as some inspiration on how I want it to be.
I use 1 TP, and 4 hards., 3 if using AB...and the CN XL booster is the only thing that isn't T2 for me.
2 TP could help, and I guess 3 could too, although not much...but 1 works fine, and my drones help with the cruise/frigs anyway.
Granted I'm a more casual player, but bashing on a fit/people just so you can be a "1-uper" and saying that you can make money at a rate of 1 min faster or something is just immature -
October 07, 2009, 11:25:10 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Comments:
- The difference between and and three target painters is unbelievable.
- Who's the elitist: the guy that says "BUY A 1.5B ISK SHIELD BOOSTER" or the guy that says "Wwwwhhhhoooaaaaaaaa man, that shit ain't necessary bro"?
- Specialization is for the ants. And for Eve.
So, no, I'm not trying to be a "1-upper" here. I've not gone off saying how much ISK I make per hour or any nonsense. What I've said is you can get the same/better result for cheaper.
Also, I realize you are a casual player. Much to your surprise: so am I. However, would you really want someone to hold back if there was an easier way to do something? Suppose you were driving to work every day, but you took the long and slow way. Should someone not tell you that there's a short cut, simply because they might be seen as a one-upper?
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 05:17:16 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
It's just the way you come off...we'll say is very arrogant.
If it works for that person and the way they play, then it is the right way. Your phrase does not apply to everyone. I know where you're coming from, cause I treat stuff like that in real life, managing people and their responsibilities. But, I've learned that you can't talk in absolutes either.
Most fits on here can perform the same job if fitted with complex/faction/t2/t1...so I would hope it would be assumed that you don't NEED the EXACT setup he has to make it work.
I have a suggestion...post your golem build, labeledQuoteThe Right Way
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October 08, 2009, 08:57:57 am
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
im happy you got away cheeply wirh rhis fitt, and no its hardly overkill, tell me does it take longer getting the the missions or completing them? -
October 08, 2009, 11:20:00 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Liang,
In the end yes 3 TP's is gonna be better than 2. I run with about 9 different Golem setups (each tailored to specific missions) but since it is dumb to post all 9 of them on BC i chose this one because in my opinion it gives the best tank (just enough to do any mission) and a ton of gank.
I really don't know about your skills but I have near perfect skills (for missiles and TP's) with a set of implants (for missiles). Yes the 3 TP's lets me 1 shot cruisers a little more consistently and i do use it for some of the lighter dps missions or those with a lot of cruisers (Buzz Kill, Vengence) but for others like Blockade or AE if find that running with 2 (and still being able to 1 shot cruisers) and having a little more tank really doesn't change my mission times by more than a minute tops.
It is perfectly fine to run the X-L booster but I don't for a couple reasons. While these are not game breaking reasons they fit more to my play style and therefor work for me.
1.The medium lets me perma-run so i dont' have to worry about DCing.
2.The medium lets me perma-run so i have one less thing i need to worry about while missioning since targeting, shooting, turning on TP's, looting and slavaging actually does require a lot of multi-tasking.
3.While the X-L gives a better burst tank, which can be a nice thing at times, the medium gives a far better sustained tank. Since there is no mission that the big burst tank is needed due to kill speed of the Golem in the end the sustained tank in my opinion is nicer.
-In reference to the cost of the booster, yes it is a little pricey I believe i paid 1.3 bil for mine. In the end though that only takes me 24 hours of missions to make. While that is a good chunk of time in the end that is only a week or two missions which meh, this is a game you play for years so i don't view a few billion for a mod i'll never lose to be a big deal. Not to mention this is my prized (the ship i like the most) ship so why not spend some isk on it.
In regards to your -1. I would like to ask you a couple things.
-Have you gone through and -1ed every Golem fit on BC that doesn't have 3 TP's? because that is what you seem to think should be done.
-Do you really think this is a bad fitting? The rating system on BC is meant to show good or bad fittings. Would you really think someone was a bad player if they used this fitting?
-You seem to be very opinionated about fits your your 60 odd posts you've made and yet i can't find any fittings you have made. I at least post and put out there the way I would fit a ship so the rest of BC can see it and read why i think it should be that way. You on the other hand havn't posted any fits. Why don't you post this 3 TP, X-L cheeper fitted Golem so the rest of us can see what you are talking about. -
October 08, 2009, 12:12:43 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
In the end yes 3 TP's is gonna be better than 2. I run with about 9 different Golem setups (each tailored to specific missions) but since it is dumb to post all 9 of them on BC i chose this one because in my opinion it gives the best tank (just enough to do any mission) and a ton of gank.
Your fitting (in the OP) clearly recommends a cap recharger over a third painter. In subtext you allow that it can be swapped out for a third painter.QuoteI really don't know about your skills but I have near perfect skills (for missiles and TP's) with a set of implants (for missiles). Yes the 3 TP's lets me 1 shot cruisers a little more consistently and i do use it for some of the lighter dps missions or those with a lot of cruisers (Buzz Kill, Vengence) but for others like Blockade or AE if find that running with 2 (and still being able to 1 shot cruisers) and having a little more tank really doesn't change my mission times by more than a minute tops.
I'd like to think I have pretty reasonable skills, what with 45M SP and max torp skills (sans torp spec 5).QuoteIt is perfectly fine to run the X-L booster but I don't for a couple reasons. While these are not game breaking reasons they fit more to my play style and therefor work for me.
1.The medium lets me perma-run so i dont' have to worry about DCing.
2.The medium lets me perma-run so i have one less thing i need to worry about while missioning since targeting, shooting, turning on TP's, looting and slavaging actually does require a lot of multi-tasking.
Um, I can buy that. What I don't buy is your argument about cost. Discussed later.Quote3.While the X-L gives a better burst tank, which can be a nice thing at times, the medium gives a far better sustained tank. Since there is no mission that the big burst tank is needed due to kill speed of the Golem in the end the sustained tank in my opinion is nicer.
I've found that sustained tank and cap stability are terribly overrated.Quote-In reference to the cost of the booster, yes it is a little pricey I believe i paid 1.3 bil for mine. In the end though that only takes me 24 hours of missions to make. While that is a good chunk of time in the end that is only a week or two missions which meh, this is a game you play for years so i don't view a few billion for a mod i'll never lose to be a big deal. Not to mention this is my prized (the ship i like the most) ship so why not spend some isk on it.
Because I don't want to mission for two weeks to buy it when there's no real gain? I'd rather mission for two weeks and buy an extra Black ops, or a dozen fully fit rigged PVP battlecruisers, or a half dozen fully fit rigged PVP battleships or something.
Let me spell it out very clearly: It's a 1.5B isk shield booster (and boost amp). The same job can be done for much, much, much cheaper. The only reasons to suggest the super expensive way is:
- You're too lazy to turn off the shield booster (this seems to be what you're arguing)
- You want to stroke the e-peen over how cool/expensive your fit is.QuoteIn regards to your -1. I would like to ask you a couple things.
-Have you gone through and -1ed every Golem fit on BC that doesn't have 3 TP's? because that is what you seem to think should be done.
I would, but that would involve going through tons of fits that haven't been thought about in months. Yours came up on the top of the default filter set when I clicked on "Loadout Forum". I commented. You got butt-hurt because I have valid criticism of your fit.Quote-Do you really think this is a bad fitting? The rating system on BC is meant to show good or bad fittings. Would you really think someone was a bad player if they used this fitting?
Yeah, I'd say it's a bad fitting largely for two reasons:
- It clearly recommends two painters instead of three
- It recommends a WTF-expensive shield booster + amp fitQuote-You seem to be very opinionated about fits your your 60 odd posts you've made and yet i can't find any fittings you have made. I at least post and put out there the way I would fit a ship so the rest of BC can see it and read why i think it should be that way. You on the other hand havn't posted any fits. Why don't you post this 3 TP, X-L cheeper fitted Golem so the rest of us can see what you are talking about.
Comments:
- Most of the fittings here on Battleclinic are complete shit. They're unfinished thoughts by players ignorant of how Eve works. Should I just say "YEAH IT WILL PROBABLY DO WHAT YOU WANT MAN!", or should I say.... "Dude! Why the hell are you digging a hole with a spoon!?? USE A SHOVEL MAN!"
- You obviously didn't look very hard for fits that I've made. I've found several of my proposed fits from Eve-O on here, and I've proposed counter fits or fitting alterations in ~20% of my posts (estimated).
- No, I won't be posting any fits on Battleclinic using the fitting tool here. That would be akin to starting a thread. Looking at Eve-Search, I've started 56 threads and made about 10000 posts with an average of 1100 characters per post. I simply don't start threads. Additionally, ship fitting is pretty well a solved science. The usage and theory of ship fitting is far more interesting.
- I'm fairly opinionated... but I'd argue that you're drawing that particular observation from "Wow, no, this is a bad idea for reasons X, Y, and Z. (Optionally: Try this instead)". Which is the correct way to approach a problem of ignorance: Teaching. Yes, I rather push people into the arms of knowledge. Some people resist, and I really don't care.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 01:33:51 pm
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
Now those responses I have more respect for. Granted having a discussion is the reason for having comments.
On that note, and learning a bit more about different fits for the golem, I will give my leave. -
October 08, 2009, 01:49:18 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
This loadout has been updated
Since 3 TP's is such a big deal, there is the 3rd one for you, i guess i might as well put it there since i run with 3 most of the time anyway. Just to show that I do in fact use 3 even before you mentioned it:Another option though is to run with 3-4 TP's on your ship. Now this may seem like you are losing too much tank but if you think about it, most missions with a lot of frigs don't require big tanks anyway so you can easily get away with it. I have personally started running most of my missions with 3 TP's and i really do enjoy it.
As for the booster. I will not change it for simple fact that i like to be able to have DC protection, I am a little lazy, and sure the E-peen factor is nice. Cost is not an issue for me since I really don't know what to spend my isk on anyway as pvp is really not that expensive and i don't plan on flying a cap ship anytime soon. Not to mention i feel that the medium is superior to the X-L. -
October 08, 2009, 01:57:24 pm
CommodoreReputation: 655
QuoteI've found that sustained tank and cap stability are terribly overrated.
You'll change your mind when the day comes that you DC or your PC crashes and you loose your ship.
Considering the cost of the hull a Pith A-tpe med is more than justified especially when it is significantly more efficient than larger boosters. -
October 08, 2009, 02:31:48 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Mike, I ran Eve over a shitty cell phone with terrible reception with near no bandwidth for a year. Don't think I don't know about the dangers of my internet cutting out. Have you considered that may be one of the causes why I'd never "risk" a 4 billion isk ship in PVE?
If our fits are equivalent in gank, and they both tank enough, then my return on investment time is much, much, much lower.
But, how are you going to feel running a 4B isk Golem when 6 Tempests on a gate instapop you once the artillery changes come out?
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 02:35:24 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
This loadout has been updated
Since 3 TP's is such a big deal, there is the 3rd one for you, i guess i might as well put it there since i run with 3 most of the time anyway.
Ok, now I have changed my vote to +1. Now it's just horribly overpriced. But hey, if you like being lazy, this fit is for you.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 02:48:30 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
what changes to arty? just xtra gun hard on tempest, right.
But, how are you going to feel running a 4B isk Golem when 6 Tempests on a gate instapop you once the artillery changes come out?
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 02:56:35 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
6?? where is he getting his figures from? with resists those 6 might get through the shield. -
October 08, 2009, 02:58:30 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 77
Arty is getting +50% volley but -50% RoF. -
October 08, 2009, 03:22:01 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
You're looking at 9-10K EM damage volleys from RF EMP Tempests... how much shields did you say you had?
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 03:38:07 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
You're looking at 9-10K EM damage volleys from RF EMP Tempests... how much shields did you say you had?
Assuming a 10k volley and all the tempests have perfect skills, my math says you would need 7. But more likely 8-9 to do it since not everyone is going to have perfect skills and prolly 10-12 to make sure it is a guaranteed kill. Since there are other factors like optimal/falloff and hit quality to take into accout.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 03:48:36 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Use a mael. -
October 08, 2009, 04:22:07 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
NOW, It actually has tp's. I'm thinkin we will have to adjust our fits a great deal if ccp really puts lvl 4's in low sec. If you plan on missioning there. -
October 08, 2009, 04:51:56 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
I'm seeing ~37K EHP on a 4 BCU golem wrt EMP... which is just shy of 4 not-so-max-skilled Tempests. Remember: the only thing they have to fit is gyros and sensor boosters. How fast can you get those hardners turned on?
-Liang
Ed: Just to be clear: I'm not threatening to hunt anyone down or anything. I'm stating a very valid point: you are worth suicide ganking now if you sport equipment that expensive. -
October 08, 2009, 05:05:50 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I'm seeing ~37K EHP on a 4 BCU golem wrt EMP... which is just shy of 4 not-so-max-skilled Tempests. Remember: the only thing they have to fit is gyros and sensor boosters. How fast can you get those hardners turned on?
-Liang
Ed: Just to be clear: I'm not threatening to hunt anyone down or anything. I'm stating a very valid point: you are worth suicide ganking now if you sport equipment that expensive.
RF EMP does:
23 EM damage, 9.2 Kinetic, 18.4 Explosive
If we are looking at a 10k base volley then that equates to:
4.55k EM damage
1.82k Kinetic damage
3.63k Explosive damage
After factoring in shield resists with the hardeners on (which they always are on if I am in space since the fitting is stable, and it is dumb not to have them on) The 10k Volley is actually doing:
1.91k EM damage, .4k Kinetic Damage, and .76 Explosive damage which gives a total Volley damage against the golems shields to be 3.07k
This means that it would take 4 volleys just to get through shields of the golem.
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October 08, 2009, 05:13:39 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Oh yeah obviously you are totally right. Totally out of the realm of possibility for a small gang to decimate at a gate where your hardeners are off. Where do you mission again?
-Liang
Ed: Gah. Fine. You do know that most suicide ganks happen at gates precisely because hardeners are off when you jump in right?
Ed2: Also, your ammo analysis is wrong. It has +4 points of EM damage. Also, use RF EMP. Also, 4 volleys from one ship to get through your shields with hardeners on. Which they won't be. -
October 08, 2009, 05:31:23 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I'm not arguing that it isn't possible, I'm just saying that it will take a minimum from max skilled players 6-7 volleys to burn your ship down. But in all likely hood it will take 10-11 to do it since i really doubt they are going to all have max skills.
Also being at a gate doesn't mean my hardeners are off. You are cloaked when you jump through so you have more than enough time to turn them on before anyone can even target you.
While sure this could get suicide ganked, i've been running 3-4 bil isk ships for over a year now in fairly popular mission hubs and not even seen the gankers. While the chance is out there it isn't a very high one. Especially when the mods of the ship only add up to around 2.8 bil or less. There are plenty off ships out there that i have scanned with mods totaling 5+ bil.
Also my numbers are not wrong:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Republic_Fleet_EMP_L
In addition with the concord changes they made a few months ago and with the 50% longer RoF there is no possible way that any of the ganking ships will get a second volley off, so it is purely gonna have to be based on the Alpa strike. -
October 08, 2009, 05:33:28 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
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October 08, 2009, 05:35:48 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
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October 08, 2009, 05:36:32 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Doh. -
October 08, 2009, 05:38:32 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I've both logged into eve and looked at the RF EMP ammo and looked at the database they both agree with what i posted, i don't even see ammo listed in the thread you linked. -
October 08, 2009, 05:42:42 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Click my link, also it's on sisi not tq. -
October 08, 2009, 05:45:41 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
ok, so they are changing the ammo too then.
That will make it 6 perfect skilled tempests but in reality more like 9-10 now, i'm still not worried about it as this ship really isn't worth that much compared to what you can find chilling in some of the really big mission hubs. -
October 08, 2009, 06:50:23 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
6 perfectly skilled Tempests if you have your hardeners on. Again, which you (or someone else who follows your advice on an absurdly overpriced shield booster) won't.
My point: You're investing a lot into your mission ship. A CN XL booster and it's probably not worth suicide ganking you. A 1.5B ISK booster + 2 CN Invulns + CN SBA + 4 CN BCU + 3 RF Painter? Hell, is there anything on your ship that wouldn't be worth suicide ganking?
Your only real defense here is missioning in something like Solitude where there simply aren't people. But is that a good reason to suggest a massively overpriced booster when a much cheaper one will do?
I mean, sure, your ship isn't running Thon's and Estamelle's and such, but you are running top tier deadspace and loads of bling.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 06:51:40 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Click my link, also it's on sisi not tq.
Yeah I was trying to link him to a place that listed all of the changes with source. Apparently he didn't want to read. Also, I thought I'd made it plain that the changes weren't live on TQ?
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 06:59:03 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Again, which you (or someone else who follows your advice on an absurdly overpriced shield booster) won't.
Ok i don't understand why you keep saying i won't have my hardeners on. Everytime i undock i turn them on as the first thing i do. Everytime i jump through a new gate the first thing i do is turn them on. How are YOU going to tell me that I don't? Just because you don't want me to have them on does not mean that I'll conveniently turn them off for you.
I don't know why you insist on telling ME how i play. Your an idiot if you KNOW that i don't have my hardeners on because i do all the time. The reason is that as soon as i undock I'm either warping to a gate or warping to a mission, either way my hardeners are on mostly because i'm just used to turning them on because i'm used to undocking and warping to mission.
Another thing is that your gankers don't even exist in game yet. Sure they will be, but this loadout is months old... -
October 08, 2009, 07:20:30 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
So liang, wanna help me camp dodixie in an arty mael? -
October 08, 2009, 07:27:14 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Ok i don't understand why you keep saying i won't have my hardeners on.... Your an idiot ... i'm just used to turning them on because i'm used to undocking and warping to mission.
Look; fine. You think you can turn your hardeners on faster than I can lock you on a gate. And what you do is you warp to the mission from the right click context menu, wait the requisite second or so for everything to register, and turn on your hardeners. Yep, I do it too. No, it won't be fast enough.
I wish you'd understand that I'm not saying that you'll have your hardeners off because I want you to. I'm saying you can't turn them on fast enough.QuoteAnother thing is that your gankers don't even exist in game yet. Sure they will be, but this loadout is months old...
Really, wow, I had no idea!! WOW!! WHAT A :censored: ING SHOCKER!! Seems like I mentioned that too. Man you must be seeing red to not realize that I've already said that. But here's an interesting point: Your fit is so highly rated that it will still be a highly rated fit months from now when these changes do go live. You'll still be babying this thread flaming anyone that disagrees.
I had no idea that you were so ridiculously butthurt because someone didn't like your overly expensive epeen stroking ISK machine.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 07:27:46 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
So liang, wanna help me camp dodixie in an arty mael?
Talk to Tomin Highborn. We're make a corp op of it.
-Liang -
October 08, 2009, 07:35:40 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
I think saying he can't turn on his hardeners in time is a little overdone. Let's leave it at might not. I mean, I do it every time I jump into a fight on a gate. Most mission runners probably won't, but it's certainly possible.
As soon as I actually train large artillerySo liang, wanna help me camp dodixie in an arty mael?
Talk to Tomin Highborn. We're make a corp op of it.
-Liang
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October 08, 2009, 10:43:54 pm
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 12
Wow. Just came across this. I haven't witnessed this amount of epic flamage even on the Ships & Fittings EVE-O forum in quite some time.
It's sort of one of those sad rules that the shiniest shit floats to the top here. Carebears love to hoard their isk, and fits with Deadspace modules are usually slick with drool before anyone ever actually fits them. And a stream of +1s come with it. Just about every top rated fit on here is guilty of it, one or two of mine included.
That said and price aside, I think Greengimp's setup is still one of the most solid Golem fits on here. Green, maybe you could try your hand at a T2 fit Golem and link it as a more affordable/less gankworthy alternative in your description? It would give us plebs something to aim towards, and might deflect some criticism.
(As a side note...Liang, I think you found the one thing in which the new Artillery is going to be in a class all of its own: Suicide ganking.) -
October 09, 2009, 12:47:00 am
CrewmanReputation: 2
Green, I figured I'd give you a chance to -1 one of my setups since you seem so keen to. Here you go, my Golem fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/29549-3-TP-Gank-Mission-Golem-Inexpensive-Tank.html
Seriously Bored: I wasn't trying to start a flame fest.... but deadspace tanks are pretty worthless when T2 and minor faction works fine. It's really one of my pet peeves. As for whether it's a good fit... sure, if you wanna pay a fortune and make yourself suicide gank bait.
As for Artillery and Suicide ganks.... yeah I had already scheduled a corp op. The guys figure we got 6-7 pretty maxin' tempest pilots. Also: there's a reason I'm choosing the Tempest over the Maelstrom.... and it has nothing to do with cost. Well, not everything to do with cost. ;-)
-Liang -
October 09, 2009, 06:17:51 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
That said and price aside, I think Greengimp's setup is still one of the most solid Golem fits on here. Green, maybe you could try your hand at a T2 fit Golem and link it as a more affordable/less gankworthy alternative in your description? It would give us plebs something to aim towards, and might deflect some criticism.
There already is one in the description, it's just not a separate loadout. -
October 09, 2009, 06:41:22 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 12
There already is one in the description, it's just not a separate loadout.
I'm assuming you're referring to this:Quote from: greengimpOk, so I've had a number of people message me asking for a plain old T2 Golem fitting. The following is what i have come up with:
I just don't see a list of modules following. I could be blind or lazy or something, and failing on reading comprehension today. It doesn't make a difference to me really, though, even though it would be nice...I +1ed this fit a long time ago.
Liang: I'm curious what your secret motive for using the Pest is, but I know what mine would be...to rub some salt in the wound by ruining someone's day with the most underwhelming BS in the game. Bwahaha. That, and it has sails like any good pirate ship should. -
October 10, 2009, 05:43:29 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
It's the last image attached.
Pest is probably a slightly cheaper loss. -
October 11, 2009, 04:00:32 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 1
the dps rly is pretty decent, but what of it stays if you fight a cruiser or even a smaller ships. I kno that drones are pretty capable of killin most of the mission shit but there are some npcs that have resistance and arnt easy to kill with medium t2 drones. i didnt look through the comments, just give a quote if u already had such a question. im staying passive on this one for now. -
October 11, 2009, 10:11:11 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
the dps rly is pretty decent, but what of it stays if you fight a cruiser or even a smaller ships. I kno that drones are pretty capable of killin most of the mission shit but there are some npcs that have resistance and arnt easy to kill with medium t2 drones. i didnt look through the comments, just give a quote if u already had such a question. im staying passive on this one for now.
Using faction ammo you can pretty consistently instapop cruisers, and even with t1 ammo it isn't too hard to do it. -
October 11, 2009, 01:06:24 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
Whats the scan res of a tempest? 1000 or 100? if it was 1000, then you would have a chance of getting the lock within 2 seconds..... 100... well count to 6... and it takes perhaps 1 or 2 seconds to turn on hardners... -
October 11, 2009, 02:41:04 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Whats the scan res of a tempest? 1000 or 100? if it was 1000, then you would have a chance of getting the lock within 2 seconds..... 100... well count to 6... and it takes perhaps 1 or 2 seconds to turn on hardners...
With 4 scripted sebos it has 477.8mm res. That's a 1.7s lock time on this golem. -
October 11, 2009, 04:15:33 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
seriously tho... why is this so far off topic??? -
October 12, 2009, 01:35:02 am
MemberReputation: 1
Now i might have missed something, but how do you hit 60+ km?
And would fitting two cruise launcher instead of two of the four, damage the DPS to much? Especially if target is outside torp range?? -
October 12, 2009, 01:50:02 am
CommodoreReputation: 655
QuoteNow i might have missed something, but how do you hit 60+ km?
Maxed skills, tech 2 range rigs, javelin torps and implants.QuoteAnd would fitting two cruise launcher instead of two of the four, damage the DPS to much?
Yes it would.
Also torps are unaffected by defender missiles, use cruise on a golem and to each defender you loose 1/4 DPS.
You want to be killing things inside 40km when possible anyway for that is the range of your tractor beams. -
October 12, 2009, 01:53:52 am
MemberReputation: 1
QuoteNow i might have missed something, but how do you hit 60+ km?
Maxed skills, tech 2 range rigs, javelin torps and implants.QuoteAnd would fitting two cruise launcher instead of two of the four, damage the DPS to much?
Yes it would.
Also torps are unaffected by defender missiles, use cruise on a golem and to each defender you loose 1/4 DPS.
You want to be killing things inside 40km when possible anyway for that is the range of your tractor beams.
How should i tackle things that orbit further away then? -
October 12, 2009, 01:28:40 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
erm... tp's are long range as far as i know. and things dont need to hit to agro.... -
October 12, 2009, 09:02:22 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
Also torps are unaffected by defender missiles, use cruise on a golem and to each defender you loose 1/4 DPS.
This isn't quite true. You do lose damage to defenders proportional to the HPLost / TotalHP.QuoteYou want to be killing things inside 40km when possible anyway for that is the range of your tractor beams.
And this is absolute truth.With 4 scripted sebos it has 477.8mm res. That's a 1.7s lock time on this golem.
I was wondering if anyone would get why I very specifically desire the Tempest. With Tempests, a target will not have time to turn hardeners on at a gate before they're through shields.
-Liang -
October 12, 2009, 09:09:12 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
1.7s is hardly an instalock. And btw a mael only locks .2s slower.With 4 scripted sebos it has 477.8mm res. That's a 1.7s lock time on this golem.
I was wondering if anyone would get why I very specifically desire the Tempest. With Tempests, a target will not have time to turn hardeners on at a gate before they're through shields.
-Liang -
October 12, 2009, 09:32:03 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
1.7s is faster than you can turn your hardeners on though. When I jump through gates, there's ~2-3 seconds that I can't engage hardeners. As for the Mael.... maaaybe. The margin for error is so small I am really loathe to give anything away.
The way I see it, the Mael will hit for ~10500, the Tempest for 9500 + 1500 (2x torps), locks faster, and is cheaper to boot. The Torps would def be CN Bane to help with low armor resistances.
I dunno, I'd have to run the numbers quite a bit to determine which I'd rather have. The Mael might end up being cheaper simply because it has more mids to throw named sebos in.
-Liang -
October 12, 2009, 09:56:31 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
How exactly do you plan to decloak, lock, and shoot them in 2-3 seconds of them jumping? -
October 12, 2009, 10:00:24 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
I intend to scan them on one side of a gate and gank them on the other. The battleships won't be doing any jumping. The point is that when THEY jump, they won't be able to turn on their hardeners before my first volley.
The same concept should apply at a station, but I'm pretty sure you can turn on your hardeners before I can lock you there (but the action of turning on your hardeners will let me lock you too).
-Liang
Ed: At any rate, it's absolutely foolproof to sit outside a station with 6 guys (easily found) and pop a $EXPENSIVE_SHIP every 15 minutes until our sec needs repped. -
October 12, 2009, 10:07:22 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
I intend to scan them on one side of a gate and gank them on the other. The battleships won't be doing any jumping. The point is that when THEY jump, they won't be able to turn on their hardeners before my first volley.
Uh when I said decloak I meant your target not your gankers. -
October 12, 2009, 10:24:40 pm
CrewmanReputation: 2
I imagine it'll go something like this:
Scout: Jackpot on $PLAYER_NAME, coming to you. Jumping now.
Everyone: F1, F2
$PLAYER_NAME: Right click, select mission, warp to mission
$PLAYER_NAME: <alt-f2, alt-f3, alt-f4> ---- EVE: Unable to do that while you are cloaked (this easily happens for a second after you decloak)
Everyone: Ctrl-Click $PLAYER_NAME
$PLAYER_NAME <alt-f2, alt-f3, alt-f4>
Try it some time.... see how fast you get your hardeners on when you're enroute to a mission. It's a lot slower than you really think.
-Liang -
October 13, 2009, 01:15:37 am
MemberReputation: 1
Can none help? there are missions where the rats will orbit further away than 40km, how do you kill them there, and how do you pull agro? -
October 13, 2009, 01:47:11 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Can none help? there are missions where the rats will orbit further away than 40km, how do you kill them there, and how do you pull agro?
Torps can go 60km with the torp range rigs, and for stuff farther out than that you just use the target painter on them and it will agro them. Everything in game orbits inside 60km as far as i know -
October 13, 2009, 01:56:40 am
MemberReputation: 1
Can none help? there are missions where the rats will orbit further away than 40km, how do you kill them there, and how do you pull agro?
Torps can go 60km with the torp range rigs, and for stuff farther out than that you just use the target painter on them and it will agro them. Everything in game orbits inside 60km as far as i know
Thx for reply, it looks promosing
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October 13, 2009, 02:36:49 am
EnsignReputation: 79
only 2 ships orbit out side of 60km, but there story line ships, and usually orbit at 150km or more. so you usually kill them before they move off the starting block
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October 13, 2009, 11:17:02 am
CrewmanReputation: 2
NCC-1709, yeah I'd say the bigger problem is sentry towers that spawn 70-100km away. I'd say you can get about 80% of the rats within 40km (tractor range) if you try. I'd say most missions don't actually need Javs at all.
-Liang -
October 13, 2009, 12:04:40 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
lol.. im still not quite passed using jav's for everything.. gotta start buying navy issue instead -
October 13, 2009, 12:41:35 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
lol.. im still not quite passed using jav's for everything.. gotta start buying navy issue instead
Once your skills are up to par you very rarely find yourself using Jav's. I normally don't carry very many Jav's at all on me BUT you do use them enough and in enough missions that not having T2 launchers is a big mistake. While i may only fire a total of 10 volleys with Jav's in the span of an hour or so, those 10 volleys prolly save me 10-15 mins worth of just chasing things down or docking up to grab CNR (cause of the range). -
October 13, 2009, 02:36:20 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
ya. ive been running the T1 rigs. due to being a tight ass. but as ive now maxed the other skills... the rest of the distance must come from the rigs... so ive just had a costly hour in jita.....
once i get though some of the suply of missiles i have, ill change to navy ones. -
October 15, 2009, 09:07:43 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
This loadout has been updated
Due to requests from folks I have made some videos of this ship running missions. I tried to pick some of the more popular and/or harder missions. AE includes the bonus room for those that want to see it.
Angel Extravaganza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I37po3UeuBo
Attack of the Drones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5fQKmQii4
Damsel in Distress:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaeKreI4-4
Gone Berserk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kDriyuU-_s
Pirate Invasion (angel):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4QRXRmgh14
Vengeance (angel):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkr_MtQLWQ
Videos are also in the OP now, if you don't wanna search through the comments at a later date.
I will try to get a few of the other more popular ones up when i get them from my agent in the next few weeks. (i.e. Blockade) -
October 16, 2009, 06:52:27 am
MemberReputation: 1
Is running with omni hardners some thing you recommend over specific.
I mena, lets take guristas as example, wouldn't a kin and thermal be better?
Or is it cost wise you have to consider? -
October 16, 2009, 12:28:03 pm
Member 3rd classReputation: 1
Even though this ship is "cheap" compared to some pimped CNRs, I think you'd be crazy to fly it with the EM hole, because you know that's what any suicide gankers will go after. -
October 16, 2009, 01:20:33 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Is running with omni hardners some thing you recommend over specific.
I mena, lets take guristas as example, wouldn't a kin and thermal be better?
Or is it cost wise you have to consider?
When only using 2 hardeners omni is the they way to go. The reason for that is that you actually get better resists if you are using the CN invulns. -
October 17, 2009, 03:53:45 am
MemberReputation: 1
Is running with omni hardners some thing you recommend over specific.
I mena, lets take guristas as example, wouldn't a kin and thermal be better?
Or is it cost wise you have to consider?
When only using 2 hardeners omni is the they way to go. The reason for that is that you actually get better resists if you are using the CN invulns.
Ahh, I see my fail now... I compared one omni against one kin, and not two omni against one kin. My mistake...
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October 17, 2009, 04:50:50 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
I had to make an account just to say the videos and this ship are awesome. I've been a silent reader for awhile now but had to post after watching this thing in action. -
November 01, 2009, 12:27:21 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
I love your fittings. +1 from me.
About the Implants:
Have you thought about using a "PPY-1" for slot 9?. It gives you about 20% faster salvaging. For slot 6 i prefer the Cap Imp before the 3% Torpedo damage. -
November 03, 2009, 02:28:45 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
This loadout has been updated
Updated with Blockade (angel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_GdM62sgL4
Total Time was 20m 43seconds, Includes a 19.2 mil bounty payout. -
November 03, 2009, 04:29:46 am
EnsignReputation: 79
one little tip that have for your ui lyout.
move the tp's next to the torp's. makes it easer to clock all 3 in one movement -
November 03, 2009, 04:54:23 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
one little tip that have for your ui lyout.
move the tp's next to the torp's. makes it easer to clock all 3 in one movement
That isn't a bad idea, but i use the F1-F4 keys when using torps/salvager/tractor, the TP's are the only thing i mouse click.
I might however see if i can redo the key layout to make the TP's F keys also. -
November 03, 2009, 06:27:41 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 8
hehe nice video's, were are the day's everyone hated torps for missionrunning. there are still some lvl 4's i rather have some cruises but still.. gonna get me a torp golem i think, just for the close range lvl 4's. the cnr to shoot cruises, the golem as torp boat. gonna be a copy of this fit i have to say, 3 tp's will kill anything i guess
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November 03, 2009, 07:57:24 am
EnsignReputation: 79
tops short tange?? lol... none of my other maraudas can touch this for missioning speed.... its so anoying comcidering how much time skill wise and isk ive spend trying to make my other one good.
the kronos had 10m sp in gunnery just to suport the missions, where as the golum had 3 m. and the golem can do any mission faster than the kronos... missile nurf, what missile nurf... -
November 04, 2009, 10:21:12 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 1
Would it ever make sense to fit a sensor booster for Guristas missions? I'm wondering if the faster lock reacquisition might save more volleys than a third target painter. It might make the salvaging go slightly smoother as well. -
November 04, 2009, 10:40:33 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Would it ever make sense to fit a sensor booster for Guristas missions? I'm wondering if the faster lock reacquisition might save more volleys than a third target painter. It might make the salvaging go slightly smoother as well.
There is not really any good time to fit a sensor booster in pve. whatever slight advantage it might give you will make you lose too much in another area to really matter. -
November 10, 2009, 04:46:55 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
this is the shit !!! +1 -
November 11, 2009, 04:52:54 pm
EnsignReputation: 11
I hereby formally request Enemies Abound Part V vid. Luff and huggles if ya do. -
November 11, 2009, 05:08:17 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I hereby formally request Enemies Abound Part V vid. Luff and huggles if ya do.
Only problem I have with doing that is that I run in mimnatar space and have long since tanked my standing with caldari and amarr to the point that i can't ever their space. If anyone knows of an agent in mim or galente space that can give this mission let me know and i will see what i can do. -
November 11, 2009, 06:02:19 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
damn that sucks. I stopped running EA just in time to not go past the point of no return. still in the mid -4's with diplo. 4 for gallente.I hereby formally request Enemies Abound Part V vid. Luff and huggles if ya do.
Only problem I have with doing that is that I run in mimnatar space and have long since tanked my standing with caldari and amarr to the point that i can't ever their space. If anyone knows of an agent in mim or galente space that can give this mission let me know and i will see what i can do.
as far as a video. there's really nothing special about easily wiping out each spawn before the next one pops. I even found myself gazing off into space wondering when the next group will appear. That was with my not so great missiles skills and shitty CNR I posted. Nightmare kills them even faster regardless of my limitations having to use lasers and not explosive damgage type missiles. -
November 11, 2009, 06:16:33 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Yeah i tanked my standing way before i really knew much about them. It doesn't matter too much though as this is a purely mission running account, i have a second and third accounts that do my pvp/hauling/selling/other stuff i wanna do. My Golem account for now is purely my isk maker never really planned on moving him anywhere since it is nice being in a npc carebear non-wardec corp.
I was also going for that elusive 10.0 faction standing with mimnatar, don't really know i tried for it at this point but in my noobness i did. Think it is sitting at like 9.89
As for EA5 If you watch the Blockade Video, that should show you just how fast the Golem can dispatch large quantities of ships. -
November 11, 2009, 06:43:34 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
Yeah i tanked my standing way before i really knew much about them. It doesn't matter too much though as this is a purely mission running account, i have a second and third accounts that do my pvp/hauling/selling/other stuff i wanna do. My Golem account for now is purely my isk maker never really planned on moving him anywhere since it is nice being in a npc carebear non-wardec corp.
true. plus, if you turn to the dark side standings don't mean crap in low sec. either. you gonna be joining or forming a corp. sooner or later with the proposed 10% tax for npc corps.
I was also going for that elusive 10.0 faction standing with mimnatar, don't really know i tried for it at this point but in my noobness i did. Think it is sitting at like 9.89
As for EA5 If you watch the Blockade Video, that should show you just how fast the Golem can dispatch large quantities of ships. -
November 11, 2009, 07:06:28 pm
Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 4
Thanks for the vids again m8. Finally got the t2 rigs alas no time to mission as of late
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November 11, 2009, 07:10:55 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Thanks for the vids again m8. Finally got the t2 rigs alas no time to mission as of late
Not a problem, was actually kinda fun making them. Never done video stuff before, good thing to learn. -
November 16, 2009, 09:09:00 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
damn, i just can´t wait to get me a golem. got the ISK but still need a few days of skilling. your fit is the most impressive i have seen so far and with all those comments, you have to be just right.
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November 17, 2009, 04:16:35 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
does someone know the 'real' range difference between 1xfuel 1xhydraulic and 2xhydraulic rigs? i have checked 2 hydraulic ingame and the eft values seem not to be correct as i found out. maybe be the acceleration of the torpedo? -
November 17, 2009, 05:21:25 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 1
Damn im excited Im training up for this fit, but i need 150 mil for a normal raven to get the iskies for this beast, I hope i find a way to get em' lol But im traning for it, it looks really cool And sounds like it can grind alot of iskies ?
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November 17, 2009, 05:49:17 am
EnsignReputation: 79
the real diffrence between using 2 of the same and 1 of each rig is about 3 to 4km. eft shows it. -
November 17, 2009, 07:00:24 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 8
Damn im excited
Im training up for this fit, but i need 150 mil for a normal raven to get the iskies for this beast, I hope i find a way to get em' lol But im traning for it, it looks really cool And sounds like it can grind alot of iskies ?
a cnr with faction/complex gear finishes lvl 4's at the same rate as this, some will be faster in this others will be faster in the cnr... fit a cnr with torps and get more dps then this, tank is around 461 omni with 1 boost amp, more then enough imo... ofc you lose 1 tp but you will also 1 volley cruisers and frigs. elite frigs is a bit harder but who shoots those anyways (drones). so you lose some tank, a tp, but you gain 200dps which helps with everything that can't be killed in 1 volley (rof 5,3sec, 1285dps and +-6800 volley iirc, 1420dps, 5sec rof and +-7200 volley with 5% implants, well worth the investment in these kinda ships), better sensor strength and scan res and you save some training time and iskies (first 5 of the crystal set would be nice i admit, you get a similar tank as the golem +-600dps tanked omni).
don't get me wrong i like this setup alot but i will stick with the cnr tbh...
ow yeah all these numbers are with faction ammo and relevant skills to 5
forgot another thing, you get 50km range in the cnr with faction ammo and 2x t1 thruster rigs and 1 t2 fuel thingy or what's the name again? -
November 17, 2009, 07:17:50 am
CommanderReputation: 121
but you don't have the tp and tb bonus of the golem. -
November 17, 2009, 07:33:42 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 8
nope, you don't so it has some advantages when you fly a golem, espacially in some lvl 4's where you get more smaller elite ships (frig, cruiser)...
the lack of the tractor beam bonus is indeed a bit crappy but i rarely loot and never salvage tbh, just grinding 1 lvl 4 after another.
anyhow i think it's more of preference then 1 is better then the other, just pointing out that you don't need a golem with 3 tp's to kill things fast. training to marauder 5 takes a while -
November 17, 2009, 08:56:52 am
EnsignReputation: 79
salvaging as you mission nets you another 40m an hour... -
November 17, 2009, 09:33:24 am
CommanderReputation: 121
salvaging as you mission nets you another 40m an hour...
I wonder how everyone came up with this 40m/hr. figure. When I ran lvl 4's regularly, I used a pimped out NM with skills to go with it and don't think my isk come up to that much. That was with salvage alt and salvage was worth more then also. I did sell most the salvage or built rigs and sold them. Never really calculated the total and still have all the loot and most lp from them. Just don't think 40m is correct. If so, after I trade in my lp and melt all the loot I should be able to buy myself an Avatar.
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November 17, 2009, 09:42:25 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 8
hmm if it's 40mil it may be interesting... reason i don't do it is that i often run lvl 4's when watching tv or something other on the pc, so i just concentrate on not dying and let the loot/salvage hang around.
haven't got good skills at it either
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November 17, 2009, 09:44:09 am
EnsignReputation: 79
if you can do 3 blocades an hour salvaged its usually 15m salvage from each blockade... do the math... -
November 17, 2009, 04:21:38 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
nope, you don't so it has some advantages when you fly a golem, espacially in some lvl 4's where you get more smaller elite ships (frig, cruiser)...
the lack of the tractor beam bonus is indeed a bit crappy but i rarely loot and never salvage tbh, just grinding 1 lvl 4 after another.
anyhow i think it's more of preference then 1 is better then the other, just pointing out that you don't need a golem with 3 tp's to kill things fast. training to marauder 5 takes a while
Golem is easily superior to a torp or cruise CNR. It beats the torp by a lot because while the torp CNR gets more dps on paper it actually does a lot less dps due to the fact that it isn't able to apply all that dps on it's targets, this is because of lack of the 3rd TP/tp bonus and lack of explosion velocity bonus. Golem will always have faster missions completion times than a torp CNR.
A pimped cruise CNR is actually going to run missions a little faster than the torp CNR if you fit with 3x rigor and a tp, this is because it makes up a ton of time on the smaller ships.
And yes i have tested all of these setups, The golem is close to cruise CNR in mission times, but the loot/salvage as you go really bump it miles ahead in terms of isk/hr.
With this setup I normally pull in around 55 mil/hr, that is with max social skills and getting 2.5k isk/LP, which isn't hard, and loot/salvaging as i go, when i finish the mission any loot/salvage left gets wasted since it is better to get a new mission and start loot/salvaging that one as i go.if you can do 3 blocades an hour salvaged its usually 15m salvage from each blockade... do the math...
If i got 3 Blockade in one hour, that would be about 10m loot/salvage per mission (since i don't actually loot/salvage everything) 20m in bounty and then another 2.5*7k lp = 17.5mil isk from LP, so that would be 130+ isk/hr for that hour. Now you are not always going to be that lucky with missions but over the course of 20-30 hours you should easily avg. between 55-60 mil/hr running this setup.
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December 19, 2009, 08:30:46 am
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great post!...you said earlier that you have a separate PVP account. how would you change this GOLEM loadout for PVP?
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December 19, 2009, 09:26:32 am
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great post!...you said earlier that you have a separate PVP account. how would you change this GOLEM loadout for PVP?
thanks
To be honest i wouldn't ever fly a golem in pvp. I say this for a few reasons:
-If you are gonna fly a ship like this you would be in a fleet, which means you would have support ships supplying TP's, RR, webs, pts and so on. with all of this going on for you, the bonuses this ship gets are going to be wasted because you really don't need to have your own tp's. But the main reason is that since you will have all this other support a CNR is going to actually put out more dps since your fleet will be lighting up your target for you.
-This ship is ridiculously easy to jam due to low sensor stength
-This ship cost a ton, 1bil just for the hull, I really can't justify this cost for pvp when i could get a torp fit T1 raven and do 80+ % of the damage of the golem for a fraction of the cost. -
December 19, 2009, 08:52:07 pm
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i see thankyou -
December 28, 2009, 12:43:25 am
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Looking at the new Navy Scorp, 8 mids, ridiculous sensor strength and half the price of the Golem, although you still gotta have a pretty carefree wallet to fly it in PVP. -
December 29, 2009, 02:52:37 pm
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Hey greengimp, have you thought about 5 lights drones for frigs then 5 medium target painter drones for everything else? -
December 29, 2009, 04:29:24 pm
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Hey greengimp, have you thought about 5 lights drones for frigs then 5 medium target painter drones for everything else?
I normally use 5 lights and 5 mediums.
The problem with using TP drones is that they take time to get to the target which really hurts their use since you are 1-3 volleying almost everything. Also I have to wait for my drones to finish with the frigs/cruisers (I help with the cruisers) that even if i carried the TP drones very rarely would i get to pull them out since I normally finish BC/BS before my drones even come close to finishing the frigs/cruisers. -
January 05, 2010, 08:35:13 am
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Hey greengimp, have you thought about 5 lights drones for frigs then 5 medium target painter drones for everything else?
I normally use 5 lights and 5 mediums.
The problem with using TP drones is that they take time to get to the target which really hurts their use since you are 1-3 volleying almost everything. Also I have to wait for my drones to finish with the frigs/cruisers (I help with the cruisers) that even if i carried the TP drones very rarely would i get to pull them out since I normally finish BC/BS before my drones even come close to finishing the frigs/cruisers.
Ok thanks for the response. But aren't medium drones fast enough? Although if TP drones stack against your TPs then it might hardly increase any signature raidus but I'm not sure how the EVE mechanics works there. In other words, does 5 tp from drones count as the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. TP on one ship (assuming you have 3 TPs on your Golem)? In that case the last tp drone will only give like 1% of their TP attribute lol.
I'm a relatively new player (hopped on EVE during the Apocrypha baby boom) flying a sentry 1 LAR Dommy right now. I'm training for the Rattlesnake with T2 torps very similar to your setup. Rattlesnake's prices have been declining very fast and right now i can get a bpc for 600 mil! Anyway, after that I'll be training for Golem ;-). -
January 06, 2010, 08:32:39 am
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Going from your T2 fit, to your full fit, in which order do you recommend get the stuff? -
January 08, 2010, 11:03:16 am
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Going from your T2 fit, to your full fit, in which order do you recommend get the stuff?
Booster first, then all gank stuff, amps, hardeners -
January 08, 2010, 11:53:34 am
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Going from your T2 fit, to your full fit, in which order do you recommend get the stuff?
Booster first, then all gank stuff, amps, hardeners
Don't forget to flap your arms! -
March 05, 2010, 07:28:25 pm
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Nice freakin loadout! The dps made me salivate! However, for some reason i cannot get my cap to be stable according to eft, my cap runs out after 10 minutes. Thanx for the fit, I should have the proper skills in 2 weeks Plus one from me.
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March 06, 2010, 04:39:48 am
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you dont need the cap to be stable. i run missions with only 2 mins of cap just fine.
plus your probably not turning the tractors off when checking stability -
March 06, 2010, 07:14:41 am
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I have been using similar fitting except I use X-Large booster and manually activate it and I can say the dmg is so insane that you don't have to worry about tanking - not that the Golem's tank is to be underestimated. With Marauders IV, Navy X-Large boosts for 1100...more than enough for me.
I have one question though - sometimes it seems as if only 1 torp hits instead of all 4...this couldn't be caused by defenders...is it a bug or something...here's an example - Damsel in Distress - fighting Sentinels - 1st hit deals 6500 dmg on the shield + armor, but sometimes I hit for ~1800...Otherwise my dps is the same as in the thread..8700 per volley with rage torps. -
March 06, 2010, 07:22:50 am
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I have been using similar fitting except I use X-Large booster and manually activate it and I can say the dmg is so insane that you don't have to worry about tanking - not that the Golem's tank is to be underestimated. With Marauders IV, Navy X-Large boosts for 1100...more than enough for me.
I have one question though - sometimes it seems as if only 1 torp hits instead of all 4...this couldn't be caused by defenders...is it a bug or something...here's an example - Damsel in Distress - fighting Sentinels - 1st hit deals 6500 dmg on the shield + armor, but sometimes I hit for ~1800...Otherwise my dps is the same as in the thread..8700 per volley with rage torps.
There are 2 things that can cause what you are talking about:
1. After reloading for some reason eve will glitch if you have your launchers grouped and only reload 1 launcher so when you start firing again you are only shooting 1 torp.
2. If you are using Rage ammo there is a good chance that it is just the fact that rage ammo sucks against anything but a structure. You should prolly switch over to faction in this case, you will see much better damage and it isn't really that expensive. -
March 06, 2010, 10:31:45 am
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you dont need the cap to be stable. i run missions with only 2 mins of cap just fine.
Tx Ncc, I appreciate the feedback
plus your probably not turning the tractors off when checking stability -
March 06, 2010, 10:38:22 am
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@ Greenpimp, I noticed in your videos, that you are carrying rage, javelin and faction torpedoes.... when do you use faction? Sorry for the newbish question, although i have a character that is 2 y old, I haven't had much chance to play...and since i lost a 3 bil CNR in a Lv4 while watching Americas funniest videos I try not to rely on chance if I don't have to
...lesson learned
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March 06, 2010, 03:14:37 pm
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I use faction for anything inside 35km, javs for everything 35-60km
the only time i use rage is when shooting a building (damsel, and smash the supplier) -
March 06, 2010, 11:34:51 pm
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im getting a golem in 3 days and i want to try a high dps fit like this. ive been using a heavily tanked raven (xl + 2 hardeners + 2 amps and permatanked) before now to do lvl4s, so to go for broke on damage would by quite a step for me. my question is how dangerous is it to run this fit? theres no way i can afford to lose a golem (and continue playing anyway).
thanks, +1 for single-minded damage output -
March 07, 2010, 12:45:50 am
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cnr better all around and you'll want the versatility of having a longer range ship anyhow. then, when you have enough isk get golem for shorter range. -
March 07, 2010, 01:56:13 am
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im getting a golem in 3 days and i want to try a high dps fit like this. ive been using a heavily tanked raven (xl + 2 hardeners + 2 amps and permatanked) before now to do lvl4s, so to go for broke on damage would by quite a step for me. my question is how dangerous is it to run this fit? theres no way i can afford to lose a golem (and continue playing anyway).
thanks, +1 for single-minded damage output
Well you obviously have plenty of experiences running level 4s, if you know how not to over-agro or kill triggers you'll be fine.
If you have not been managing agro however due to running a perma XL tank you may want to get some practice before moving onto a golem like this. Try scaling down the tank on your raven fit for more damage and see how it goes.
This has about the same tank as my CNR, I've had a few scary moments when I've done something silly, but if you're drone skills are decent you can always kill the scram frig before you get into serious trouble. -
March 08, 2010, 09:55:36 pm
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What do you sell to get 2.5k isk/LP? -
March 09, 2010, 12:14:12 am
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What do you sell to get 2.5k isk/LP?
just do a little research in you LP store It is normally weapons or damage mods that are gonna get you the best return as people need and use a lot of them. (check blueprints) -
March 09, 2010, 05:16:56 pm
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im getting a golem in 3 days and i want to try a high dps fit like this. ive been using a heavily tanked raven (xl + 2 hardeners + 2 amps and permatanked) before now to do lvl4s, so to go for broke on damage would by quite a step for me. my question is how dangerous is it to run this fit? theres no way i can afford to lose a golem (and continue playing anyway).
thanks, +1 for single-minded damage output
Well you obviously have plenty of experiences running level 4s, if you know how not to over-agro or kill triggers you'll be fine.
If you have not been managing agro however due to running a perma XL tank you may want to get some practice before moving onto a golem like this. Try scaling down the tank on your raven fit for more damage and see how it goes.
This has about the same tank as my CNR, I've had a few scary moments when I've done something silly, but if you're drone skills are decent you can always kill the scram frig before you get into serious trouble.
thanks, i am fairly experienced level 4 but still a new player. only 8mil sp in a golem! im unable to use torps properly yet and have to wait a month to get t2 torp launchers, in the meantime ill have to use cruises to make the isk for the faction stuff i want to cram in.
when all the isk, implants and training have been assembled i would pretty much base my torp golem of greengimp's fit here. however, what would you think of taking out the med booster and swapping it for a pith x-type large shield booster? if i have to remove a BCU for a cap flux coil then so be it, 4th BCU is negligible anyway. -
March 09, 2010, 06:09:10 pm
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why invulns and not mission specific hardeners? because of suicide ganking? -
March 09, 2010, 07:23:13 pm
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why invulns and not mission specific hardeners? because of suicide ganking?
2x CN invulns are going to be better than mission specific because you actually get better resists when only using 2 hardeners. Also a lot of factions actually do more than 2 damage types so it helps there too. -
March 09, 2010, 09:32:27 pm
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why invulns and not mission specific hardeners? because of suicide ganking?
2x CN invulns are going to be better than mission specific because you actually get better resists when only using 2 hardeners. Also a lot of factions actually do more than 2 damage types so it helps there too.
wow i never thought of that but ofc that makes sense! lol thanks for that invaluable nugget of information, cant believe survived this long without realising it. off to jita to flog my specific hardeners now, thanks!
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March 09, 2010, 11:37:07 pm
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What do you sell to get 2.5k isk/LP?
just do a little research in you LP store It is normally weapons or damage mods that are gonna get you the best return as people need and use a lot of them. (check blueprints)
I actually did a lot, and btw I'm running your setup milking 40 mil per hr back to back (thanks!). However did you consider that you also need Republic tags which run at a rate of 1.2 mil for a Colonel I? If you net all that, your ISK/LP is barely 1k unless i'm heavily missing something. Thanks for clarifications if you can shed some light.
Take for example the CN Cruise launcher BP, sells for 192 mil but it costs you 100 mil in isk plus tags, and and additional 90k LP. So you make basically 90 mil for your 90k LP. -
March 09, 2010, 11:58:10 pm
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faction ammo always good. if you sell it where it's hard to get and people around to buy it.
but, that goes with anything else in eve.
Ohh wait, I forgot you guys are carebears. you guys don't venture outside empire.
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March 10, 2010, 12:26:51 am
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I don't mix flying Chimeras with Golems, there's jump clones for that
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March 10, 2010, 12:38:29 am
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lobi i don't know about your store, but i run in mimn space, since most folks don't fight angels i imagine my lp store might be a little more profitable than most. Also just put up buy orders for your tags, that is how i get all mine -
March 10, 2010, 12:49:07 am
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I don't mix flying Chimeras with Golems
when the hell did I say anything about carriers? becides, I don't like competition anyhow. 10,000 isk/lp or 10X markup, wouldn't want anyone cutting into my profits. fyi, when you want something bad enough. YOU PAY., there's jump clones for that -
March 10, 2010, 01:05:07 am
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another question, why 2 different kinds of range rigs? ie one for velocity and one for flight time. surely theres no rig stacking penalties?
would it make any difference if you had 2 velocity rigs or 2 flight time rigs? is one kind better than the other in any way?
also, if you used a large shield booster, instead of medium, and a flux cap/PDU/whatever-is-best power mod in your lows, would you be stable? if not how long could you run it? i dont have 1 bil to spend on the med booster but i could manage 400 mil for a large pith x-type.
cheers, -
March 10, 2010, 01:52:24 am
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another question, why 2 different kinds of range rigs? ie one for velocity and one for flight time. surely theres no rig stacking penalties?
would it make any difference if you had 2 velocity rigs or 2 flight time rigs? is one kind better than the other in any way?
also, if you used a large shield booster, instead of medium, and a flux cap/PDU/whatever-is-best power mod in your lows, would you be stable? if not how long could you run it? i dont have 1 bil to spend on the med booster but i could manage 400 mil for a large pith x-type.
cheers,
I use 2 different types of range rigs because yes there is a stacking penalty. Some people like to use 2x velocity because they think it helps them with their TP rotations. I've tried both and I don't have any trouble with the TP rotation so i just do one of each to get that extra 1.5km reach
I doubt you would be stable with a large booster but you don't need to be. In all honesty you can pretty much use any booster and you should be just fine. I pick the Medium because it lets me not have to worry about pulsing my booster since you really do have a lot of other stuff to do while you mission.
As for boosters, I know the C-Type mediums are only 300ish mil and they have more than enough boosting power and will perma-run (or close enough to it) I ran a C-type for a couple months and have no trouble, but you do have to make sure you manage your agro since your tank is lighter. If you can run the pith/gist x-type large though, that will be more than fine though, you'll just have to pulse it and not keep it on all the time -
March 10, 2010, 02:29:21 am
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ah didnt know about the penalties, ive only ever used ccc rigs.
id prolly be too timid to use a med booster that wasnt the very best med booster, especially with a new golem. but its good to know it can/has been done.
i might consider letting one of the range rigs go. far as i know the furthest rat orbit is 50 kms so firing 60+kms seems unneccessary. although of course it also means your rage fire further and they do more damage. and ive just answered my own question lol.
i give up. i cant find anything wrong with it, even the price is ok because it can easily be transferred to t2. -
April 02, 2010, 01:13:15 am
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hey greengimp,
I was wondering if you could help me. If its a bother I can pay you in isk for your advice/time.
I want the ultimate mission running ship, skill set, and implants. I want to finish L4 missions as fast (and safely) as possible and money and time are no object.
I am currently capable of flying a golem but my missile/shield skills aren't up to par.
http://eve-sheet.com/skills/lordmaynoth
Could you please advise with a loadout, implant and skill listing for the ultimate golem mission runner. I am willing to pay you for this advice in isk whatever you deem fair.
Thanks -
April 02, 2010, 01:59:07 am
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hey greengimp,
I was wondering if you could help me. If its a bother I can pay you in isk for your advice/time.
I want the ultimate mission running ship, skill set, and implants. I want to finish L4 missions as fast (and safely) as possible and money and time are no object.
I am currently capable of flying a golem but my missile/shield skills aren't up to par.
http://eve-sheet.com/skills/lordmaynoth
Could you please advise with a loadout, implant and skill listing for the ultimate golem mission runner. I am willing to pay you for this advice in isk whatever you deem fair.
Thanks
In order to make the Golem preform well, you should have all missile support skills to at least 4, Both the TP skills need to be at 4 (this one is really important). You'll need T2 torps, so that means getting torps to 5. Get mauraders to 4. Other than this just make sure you have enough basic support skills to let your tank/cap/resists do what they need to.
If you don't have all the ganks skills to 4/5 the golem really doesn't preform the way it should.
For implants just go with missile implants in every slot that has them.
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April 02, 2010, 06:21:01 am
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What about using officer torp launchers with regular ammo as apposed to t2 torp launchers with t2 ammo? -
April 02, 2010, 12:22:17 pm
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What about using officer torp launchers with regular ammo as apposed to t2 torp launchers with t2 ammo?
You have to use T2 as that gives you access to jav ammo which you won't use often but the times you do use it you have to use it. There is just no way to get around needing the extra range. -
April 02, 2010, 06:48:18 pm
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ah thanks -
April 03, 2010, 07:54:09 pm
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gg,
What do you think about using mission specific pith x-types as opposed to invuln fields?
It looks like that would offer a lot more tank by my calculations.
Estamel's/Pith x-type Invuln Field offers 50% damage resist to each damage type, while caldari navy only offers 37.5% to each damage type.
While using mission specific pith x-types yields 64% to the specific damage type.
Just curious what you thought, thanks.
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April 03, 2010, 09:03:53 pm
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I feel a bit stupid, after more research it seems that 2x Invuln fields would offer more than mission specific hardeners would, however I am curious would you be able to fit a large shield booster via the activation cost and powergrid savings from using mission specific hardeners, if not what about passive hardeners? -
April 03, 2010, 09:16:30 pm
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^If it ain't broke don't try and fix it. -
April 03, 2010, 10:38:03 pm
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The reason i use the medium is because I can turn it on and then not worry about it while in a mission. When running a gank-marauder you really do have a lot of things to worry about (looting/salvaging/tps/targeting) that i like to not have to worry about my tank/cap.
In reality though as long as you don't change the gank parts of this fitting the tank really is up to you. You can spend more and get better hardeners or a little less and get a bigger booster and just pulse it, but that really does come down to more personal pref. -
April 04, 2010, 09:19:57 am
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Assuming I had all shield compensation skills maxed, and used pith x-type mission specific passive shield boosters, would this provide enough tank? and would the activation cost/capacitor/powergrid savings allow for an upgrade somewhere else? -
April 04, 2010, 09:44:27 am
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Just use a xl sb and you can fit a 3rd hardener instead of sba. Seems to me you worry too much about cap stability? Why else would you ask about passive res.
OMFG, I don't know what to do. My ship is gonna run out of cap in 20 minutes.
Think, think...passive hardeners. Ahh it's fixed, stable just less tank now. NOOO!
Do yourself a favor. Drag your eft file into the trash bin. You're using it wrong.
My fit (gist xl sb) when tanked vrs. guristas has more sustianed tank and 3x more boost when fit with 2x pith ballistic and 1x pith heat. 712/2229 to be exact and cap last over 3 min painters on w/no imps.
Sure, If you're like green and have a hard time managing your sb use his fit. Just make sure to be very careful what you shoot at. Because, your shields will drop very fast.
The only BS class ship I would use a med. sb on is a Mach that does 600 m/s w/340 sig. rad. Big rats don't hit me and if they do the damage is so minimal it's not even funny. Only danger comes in not using it right. Like not taking out the webbers fast enough. That hasn't even been a issue, yet.
The only reason for using a med. sb is so I could go afk for a bit and not worry about my shields turning off. -
April 04, 2010, 12:26:49 pm
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It's capstable at 38% with all TPs and Tractors off... +1, nothing else to say.
Could you maybe edit your OP and remove the question marks at the end of sentences, it's a little difficult to read... I'm guessing you copy-pasted from Word or something and the formatting went a bit haywire. -
April 04, 2010, 02:26:08 pm
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It's capstable at 38% with all TPs and Tractors off... +1, nothing else to say.
Could you maybe edit your OP and remove the question marks at the end of sentences, it's a little difficult to read... I'm guessing you copy-pasted from Word or something and the formatting went a bit haywire.
The ? marks happened when the site redid everything last year, when i go in to try to edit it to get rid of all the ? marks i can't even see them, so they are kinda stuck there at this point -
April 13, 2010, 09:20:29 am
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greengimp,
Do you think salvaging is worth it from an isk/hr perspective? Perhaps just battleship class wrecks? -
April 13, 2010, 01:22:19 pm
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greengimp,
Do you think salvaging is worth it from an isk/hr perspective? Perhaps just battleship class wrecks?
I only loot salvage the BS, and sometimes BC wrecks while i mission, but as soon as the mission is done I'm warping out and starting another mission. There is no reason to waste time looting/salvaging when there is nothing to shoot at since yuo could just be starting a new mission looting and salvaging in that one instead. -
April 14, 2010, 06:54:57 am
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cool thanks
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April 17, 2010, 02:26:51 pm
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hai thar
For some reason I keep comming up short of about 100-200 dps while running this setup. I've even tried it with all skills at V in EFT, but I'm still down by a few hundred dps.
*side note* I run with all relevant missile implants, but a low-grade crystal omega
Thx in advance
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April 17, 2010, 03:33:21 pm
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few hundred dps? it hits 1300 dps as it is .
your eft might be out of date.
it also used the 5% to all missiles damage implant and the 5% to torp damage one. -
April 17, 2010, 09:27:46 pm
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read some of these forums and bought a golem last week. here is what i found when flying it. 1.you must use T2 torp launchers period so that you can use long range javelins for the ships that 'stay' out of range. 2. You must use target painters, at the very least 2 of them. 3. Cap is an issue that is why people spend the big bucks on faction stuff. -
April 18, 2010, 11:12:02 pm
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hey! +1 from me for your fitting and your patience to update it every now and then;
i am looking forward to fly a golem in a couple of weeks (torp5 and caldari bs5 is missing)
i think you did a great job to give everyone a good overview how a golem should work, and as you said its always up to individual preferences how you should an med or an x large shield booster....
thx again for a great loadout , fly save 07 -
April 27, 2010, 07:08:47 am
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Just bought myself that baby, still only lvl 3 on the marauder skill, but boy, oh boy does this fit pack a punch! It's sick! If I could add one more + I would Greengimp! You're the man! -
April 29, 2010, 05:17:31 am
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This IS Caldari. Huge boulder that makes stuff explode. Thank you. *Starts EVEMon plan*
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May 25, 2010, 03:29:18 am
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Gimp many thanks for the fit, expensive but what a f*cking power ! The plan is on the way i already own the baby got to make some more money for the fit
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May 25, 2010, 07:48:28 pm
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greengimp we r requesting a fly by... 1# Golem setup... many thnx again!!! -
June 03, 2010, 12:06:29 am
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Cool fit, but don't u scary to be Suicided?
P.S. On which corp better to work in minmatar's space? =) -
June 03, 2010, 12:14:19 am
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i mean, on which corp r u working? =) -
June 03, 2010, 01:18:26 pm
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Cool fit, but don't u scary to be Suicided?
P.S. On which corp better to work in minmatar's space? =)
if you watch the vids you'll see where i mission, i've been here for over a year without being ganked so i'm not really scared of that. -
June 12, 2010, 05:30:26 am
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Please make a video with the passage of "Worlds Collide". =) -
June 12, 2010, 06:52:39 am
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Please make a video with the passage of "Worlds Collide". =)
I skipped the vid of "Worlds Collide" because with the Golem I make more isk by just throwing an AB on there and skipping the first room entirely and just doing the last 2 roooms. -
June 17, 2010, 04:52:16 pm
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
using this with great success -
June 23, 2010, 09:11:13 pm
MemberReputation: 0
To use TPs with this setup, do I already have to have targeted something? Ty. -
June 24, 2010, 12:46:32 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
To use TPs with this setup, do I already have to have targeted something? Ty.
to use a TP in general you have already have something targeted -
July 03, 2010, 04:26:26 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Proper Golem, +1 -
July 07, 2010, 10:21:22 pm
Member 4th ClassReputation: 0
I fly this boat now for almost two months and I am still training for it. As mentioned above you have to get all relevant support skills up as much as possible in order to harvest this ship's full potential. I found those categories to be particularly beneficial for that fit and ship: Target Painting skills like signature focusing do wonders to one shot BCs, Cruisers. Every range related skill like missile bombardment and missile projection are a must to be trained to lvl 5. Marauders lvl 5 is a loooong haul, but it gives you more tank and especially range (again). DPS skills like Rapid Launch, Torpedo Specialization, Warhead Upgrades and so on maximizes your oomph. Another skill I found immensely helpful was Multitasking; get your 10 possible targets up helps to micromanage drone and launcher targets and wrecks to pull. You need MT only up to lvl 3 to achieve that.
Why am I mentioning this? I remember seeing Greengimp's vids for the first time and being in awe as of how he busted AE BS with 2-3 volleys each. Getting into the Golem myself I found that this was not really happening (not consistent for sure). Hence this wee write up on the skills I personally found great to have and seeing a direct impact on that awesome ship's performance as soon as they were trained up.
Enjoy everyone, who decides to train for this! -
July 12, 2010, 07:48:01 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
amazing build, id probably go Tractor x2 Salvager(tech 2) x1
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July 12, 2010, 11:51:20 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
amazing build, id probably go Tractor x2 Salvager(tech 2) x1
the 3 utility high slots are completely personal pref so long as you arn't throwing smartbombs up there -
July 14, 2010, 10:12:50 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 1
Love this fit. +1.
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July 22, 2010, 05:37:13 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
hi still pretty n00bish in this game. I am working on puting this build together and I hope somebody could share insight to the X4 BCU? My understanding was that if you have three of the same mod that has stacking penalities the beinfit of the third becomes extremly low and very poor for a fourth. I can imagine there are X4 on this build for a reason so if someone would not mind letting me know how this fits into the big picture I would really be greatful.
TY,
Oxy -
July 22, 2010, 05:46:26 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
its still 6.8% boost to dps. makes the diffrence on one shotting bc's and 2 shotting them using double the ammo and twice the time, meaning its actuall boost is far greater then 6.8% -
July 23, 2010, 04:35:47 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
cool thanks, there was a reason I just could not see it. -
July 31, 2010, 11:17:45 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
WoW started using this and holy f&^k tards I do love it. It is a nice change of pace from the CNR I used. I do not play much so comming across something new for me in the game keeps me intrested in it.
TYVM Greengimp for taking the time to post this build.
Fly fast and weave,
Oxy Codone -
July 31, 2010, 01:15:43 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
glad u like it
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August 03, 2010, 04:45:01 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
greenpimp I have a question for u, can u contact me in game @ WM Necros?
Thanks. -
August 04, 2010, 08:29:56 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 4
I'd love to see your skillsheet GreenGimp just to get an idea of what you have in missiles, engineering etc..
Anyhow definitely a +1. I'd +2 it if I could
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August 04, 2010, 09:42:09 am
CommanderReputation: 121
lol, skills you wants to see. he probably trained sig. focusing and torp sec. to 5, carebear.
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August 04, 2010, 12:07:00 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
lol, skills you wants to see. he probably trained sig. focusing and torp sec. to 5, carebear.
you are correct Vicror, this toon is a complete carebear because he is a L4 only toon, i even have marauders to level 5 as well as all missile support skills -
August 07, 2010, 03:01:31 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
I cannot get your current fit to be cap-stable, even with all skills to five, yet I'm quite positive the modules are exactly the same. I disabled the tractor beams.
Here is the proof : http://uppix.net/9/0/d/86d402e097c8f7841976349b5b9ef.png
Is it intended / bad ? -
August 07, 2010, 04:57:06 am
EnsignReputation: 79
you need to remember that the tp's will be cycling, so they wont be on all the time, and most missions wont take you longer than 12 mins anyways
if you must have cap stable, drop one tp and put a cap recharger in its place -
August 07, 2010, 06:50:45 am
CommanderReputation: 121
I cannot get your current fit to be cap-stable, even with all skills to five
His org. fit included a cap rech. instead of 3rd tp. Then, this guy named Liang came along and talked him into fitted the 3rd tp.
GG just forgot to edit out his desc. about being cap stable.
I wouldn't worry about your cap on this thing.
You could always fit a caprech in place of the 3rd tp and gimp your ship if you wish. -
August 07, 2010, 12:38:41 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I cannot get your current fit to be cap-stable, even with all skills to five, yet I'm quite positive the modules are exactly the same. I disabled the tractor beams.
Here is the proof : http://uppix.net/9/0/d/86d402e097c8f7841976349b5b9ef.png
Is it intended / bad ?
Vicror is right in that i forgot to rewrite that part of the description after i edited it awhile back.
It should still have close to about 12 mins of cap which is prolly closer to 15 since not everything will be running 100% of the time. Either way it really doesn't matter since there is no mission out there that will require you to run your booster for more than 12 minutes at a time. -
August 08, 2010, 01:43:41 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
Thank you for your awswers,
I was thinking that I might be missing something, but apparently I'm not. Thank you and fly safe
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August 12, 2010, 03:20:39 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Just wanted to say why not just use a command ship? I use a command ship on level 5 mission that only cost 400 million. Tanks it better than anything. Whats the use of spending 4 billion on what could cost you 400 mill? -
August 12, 2010, 05:55:21 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Just wanted to say why not just use a command ship? I use a command ship on level 5 mission that only cost 400 million. Tanks it better than anything. Whats the use of spending 4 billion on what could cost you 400 mill?
The point is that this is ship is for running L4 missions, never once did i say this could run a L5.
As for a command ship running L4's the same well it can't. Yes it can run L4's and it can do it fairly well but no it can not make nearly the isk/hr this can. A command ship is going to make in area of 40ish mil/hr running L4's with a good agent whereas this ships is going to make around 65mil/hr at the same agent.
So no a command ship can not do what this ship can. -
August 12, 2010, 03:59:56 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
a nighthawk had a alpha of 2/2,5k every 6 seconds.
this golem has a 9k alpha every 6 seconds...
which is likley to be faster? -
August 16, 2010, 04:35:41 pm
Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 5
Damn nice fit + 1 -
August 17, 2010, 04:28:03 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
bump... mistypes.
sorry! -
August 17, 2010, 04:32:12 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
Just curious, Greengimp...
I too have enjoyed my Golem and have closely followed this loadout page.
2 quick questions:
1) How do you manage solo against neuts? Ever pop in a core def rig or something of the like?
2) I'm also kinda curious about the 3rd (and occasional 4th) painter you use.
I try watching your youtubes, but it can be a little blurry and you are handling things pretty quickly throughout.
Thanks for any input you can offer! -
August 17, 2010, 05:16:22 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Just curious, Greengimp...
I too have enjoyed my Golem and have closely followed this loadout page.
2 quick questions:
1) How do you manage solo against neuts? Ever pop in a core def rig or something of the like?
2) I'm also kinda curious about the 3rd (and occasional 4th) painter you use.
I try watching your youtubes, but it can be a little blurry and you are handling things pretty quickly throughout.
Thanks for any input you can offer!
For the Neuts, just make them your first targets, It shouldn't take more than a minute to drop your first 3-4 BS and by that time there really shouldn't be any nueting BS's left, if a cruiser is nueting you just throw that higher into your kill priority.
The 4th painter is kinda worthless as the only time you would want it is for shooting frigs, it is fun to see your torps insta-pop an elite frig every now and again though -
August 17, 2010, 06:09:32 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
LOL, I pop frigs with one gun. If using torps you better clear all the bs b4 your drones kill the frigs. otherwise, lots of time wasted. -
August 17, 2010, 06:13:39 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
yeah, you don't want to ever shoot frigs with your torps, i just did it a few times to see if i could -
August 19, 2010, 05:15:09 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
Greengimp,
I assume you mean 3-4 BS should be killed off within minutes primarily in pve, correct? I managed about that in some lvl 4 missions today - indeed it is the case. But any anecdotes about pvp-ing in your golem?
Lastly, I haven't encountered neuting pvp-ers yet... but every time I see this (utterly kickass) fitting I've borrowed from you I feel the day coming when my cap fails and I'm effed.
Okay, I'm paranoid. But still?
***Oh Golem Swami, teach me more of your ways***
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August 19, 2010, 06:53:20 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
This ship is not for PvP and never should be. Most pvpers would be able to kill this without much trouble, this is purely a pve fitting -
August 20, 2010, 04:23:02 pm
Member 1st ClassReputation: 1
I swap a Target Painter for a Cap Recharger and then change the Painters to Domination TP's. Instead of a 96% Sig Increase, It goes down to 90.6%, but it makes it cap stable and gives a little safeguard against neuts -
August 20, 2010, 05:15:57 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
I swap a Target Painter for a Cap Recharger and then change the Painters to Domination TP's. Instead of a 96% Sig Increase, It goes down to 90.6%, but it makes it cap stable and gives a little safeguard against neuts
for all practical purposes this setup is cap stable. I say this because for one you have 12 minutes of cap which is longer than you will ever need, and there is also the fact that you will not have all your stuff running at the same time all the time so that 12 minutes is more like 20. With the speed this kills you will be out of the mission before your cap is even close to running out.
Nuets are basically a non-issue in L4's as you can kill those ships before your cap is even hurt.
There is no possible reason to downgrade the TP's as that just lowers your dps. -
August 20, 2010, 11:28:11 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
FYI. dont try to do a blood blockade, you cap will run dry on that one
they spawn at 83km and nute you from that range... so sometimes you cap dead before they are in range to be killed. -
August 21, 2010, 10:51:17 am
Member 1st ClassReputation: 1
Well at least swap the Republic Fleet TP's for Domination TP's then -
August 21, 2010, 01:07:11 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Well at least swap the Republic Fleet TP's for Domination TP's then
why? -
August 21, 2010, 01:28:52 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
they changed them a patch or so ago.. they do an extra 1% sig increase now -
August 21, 2010, 01:44:54 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
ah i did not see that change, if they are in fact better than the RF tp's then i'll have to get them -
August 25, 2010, 08:34:23 am
MemberReputation: 6
Normally I am of the lets through as much tank on something so if I happen to DC nothing will hurt me camp (I am running a 1500+ omnitank Rattlesnake right now, was 2000+ but decided that a little more dps might be good)... this makes me want to switch camps... badly. Starting to save for it now.
from me
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August 29, 2010, 10:20:51 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
hey GREENGIMP im seting up a golem with your fit to do a c4 with a logistic ship with alt, and in the high slots i also have 2 large shield transports and one energy transport for the basilisk, but its not cap stable any good suggestions to give for a great c4 golem fit with basilisk support seems your the expert on golems
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August 29, 2010, 11:17:56 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
^use buffer spyder tengus instead. -
August 30, 2010, 02:33:23 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
hey GREENGIMP im seting up a golem with your fit to do a c4 with a logistic ship with alt, and in the high slots i also have 2 large shield transports and one energy transport for the basilisk, but its not cap stable any good suggestions to give for a great c4 golem fit with basilisk support
seems your the expert on golems
no idea as i've not done many wormholes, and the few i have we've been going in big enough numbers that it wasn't an issue -
September 03, 2010, 02:18:12 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
Hey Greengimp, love your fit, building towards it as you read this. Anyways I noticed in your implants your using the -5% cap use for TP's. I was wondering why you didn't use the -5% factor of target velocity implant for missiles instead. Does this not affect Torpedoes? Seems like the cap reduction wouldn't be to impactule. Thank pal. -
September 03, 2010, 08:40:01 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Hey Greengimp, love your fit, building towards it as you read this. Anyways I noticed in your implants your using the -5% cap use for TP's. I was wondering why you didn't use the -5% factor of target velocity implant for missiles instead. Does this not affect Torpedoes? Seems like the cap reduction wouldn't be to impactule. Thank pal.
I'm not sure why i didn't use that one, it prolly would be a better choice than the tp cap one. -
September 10, 2010, 06:10:36 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
Would using a C-type still be enough to tank missions ? I'm that cheap. -
September 10, 2010, 07:13:57 am
CommanderReputation: 121
^try pith or faction large. forget stupid med. sb.
also, don't be cheap. -
September 10, 2010, 09:00:26 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
There's a difference between being cheap and having a ship that screams « suicide gank me, it's extra worth it ! ».
And the day I am being suicide ganked, losing a C-type won't cost me as much.
The fact the med can be perma-tanked is cool, because flying a marauder means you have to manage lots of stuff (launchers, target painters, drones, tractor beams and salvagers). Not worrying about the tank is nice. -
September 10, 2010, 02:54:22 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Would using a C-type still be enough to tank missions ? I'm that cheap.
You can run it with a C-type and i did for a couple months, when doing that you just have to pay a little attention to kill order on 2-3 missions but other than that it isn't a problem at all. -
September 11, 2010, 01:46:25 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
Thank you greengimp. I also wonder if a Pith A-type LSB could do it, because it's cheapish (250 mil) and really makes the boost bonus on the Golem shine. -
September 11, 2010, 10:18:31 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Thank you greengimp. I also wonder if a Pith A-type LSB could do it, because it's cheapish (250 mil) and really makes the boost bonus on the Golem shine.
Really any booster will work on this setup. By that I mean Pith Med/Large/X-L, Gist Large/X-L, or faction Large/X-L. The reason I use the Pith Med is that it is the best booster for me to use in that I can almost perma-run it so I don't have to worry about turning it on and off while i'm Killing/loot/salvaging but it is in no way a necessity. -
September 14, 2010, 02:55:35 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
thanks greengimp for sharing this well-researched setup. Applying it to my mission golem. Just tried siege golem not awhile ago, but i can tell this setup kick ass when implants and skills are met. -
September 16, 2010, 09:02:56 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 4
An extremely effective setup to be sure! And for those who are still worried about tank, flip a single target painter for a mission specific faction resistance amplifier or a second faction shield boost amplifier, which should take care of that concern quite nicely.
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September 17, 2010, 12:27:20 am
CommanderReputation: 121
hey green your fit rocks vrs angels. now, can we lock this crap already.
cause we all know you'll get pwned vrs. laser rats. -
September 17, 2010, 07:56:57 am
EnsignReputation: 79
i used this setup vs laser rats, i used 2 em 1 thermal hardner and only ever had problems against bloods due to the nos they have
ship still works well against them with 2 tp's
it actually works pretty well with 2 cn invuls if you just add the em hardner -
September 17, 2010, 10:37:25 am
CommanderReputation: 121
torp range sucks for killing them. getting pwned by taking forever to kill them. not cause it can't tank rats that are 50km+. -
September 19, 2010, 11:21:33 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Has anyone tried to run this setup(pithum a-type med) in an angel haven or any anomalies in general? I'm looking to get a golem for running angel haven's and i'm eying this setup for the job... -
September 19, 2010, 11:42:01 am
EnsignReputation: 79
i use this fit for guristas sanctums, so it shouldnt have a problem with havens -
September 20, 2010, 12:28:59 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 1
torp range sucks for killing them. getting pwned by taking forever to kill them. not cause it can't tank rats that are 50km+.
Javelin's go 60k. Or slap an AB on. Either way, it still wins. -
September 22, 2010, 09:04:08 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
Okay- back to the "Never PVP in a Golem" discussion...
A buddy of mine said his vindicator simply could NOT take this fit down alone.
Thoughts??
http://973-k.eve-tools.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47373 -
September 22, 2010, 10:14:16 am
CommanderReputation: 121
tell your buddy learn how to use a heavy neut. -
September 22, 2010, 08:00:43 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
Good point! =)
My reply to him was... "omg! all those slots lost to managing energy!" -
September 23, 2010, 06:26:22 pm
EnsignReputation: 79
i took on a passive / nuet faction fit rattle the other day with my T2 fit golem... i got him down to 30% shield before my cap died and my shields colapsed...
faction vs faction it might have been closer..
but we then shot him with bc's and hic's. took 5 of us to get his shields just as low.... -
December 10, 2010, 05:12:59 am
CrewmanReputation: 1
TL;DR
If you want to fit AB (for missions with lots of travel ONLY), drop a BCS for a cap flux coil and replace cap charger with AB. The amount of DPS the fourth module contributes is probably worth the speed.
My personal setup is:
[Golem, Golem]
4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Cataclysm Cruise Missile)
Small Tractor Beam I
2x Salvager I
2x Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
Damage Control II
3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Large Bay Loading Accelerator I
5x Hammerhead II
A bit different philosophy behind the fit. Going for low investment, low overhead while maintaining decent tank and DPS. (358 tank, 630 DPS) I don't melt BS the way the OP will, but I can still kill them quickly and I do NOT have to fiddle around with cruisers (except HACs, hate those bastards). Oh, and I can buy my ship 3.5 times for what his costs. -
December 10, 2010, 05:30:46 am
CrewmanReputation: 1
He's one of the eve-survival folks, I think he has experience to back his thoughts.ok from the start, i use rougly around 3-4 volleys on a battleship unless its something special, named etc.
A golem i would say could prolly do it in 2-3?
Ok maybe the golem is "quicker" there, but my problem is not the battleships, its the 150m/s cruisers that u hit for 50% damage (with 2 x TP's)
I tried a mission yesterday with 2 x TP and i was like, HOW THE HELL can u manage like that ?
My damage was so bad (torps lvl 5 etc) i almost got scared.
So my question is, do you spend so much time flying around getting in range, and changing to the right ammo etc that it feels faster?
I got max drone skills (for damage), and i use my tech2 hobs/hammerheads to take down cruisers and frigates, but u know what?
Im ALWAYS done killing battleships long before im done with the small stuff.
And in most missions, there are alot more cruisers/frigates than battleships.
I just cant see how a golem can be faster for missions, i really dont.
Everytime i hear golem users say its so good etc, i feel really sad inside...
just some random stuff about me:
i target 100km - shoot 248km (and even range is sometimes a issue for me)
tank 830 - dps 700
can target 10 ships at once (7 is max for raven)
i use hotkeys for attacking with drones etc, and ive done a REAL big amount of missions over the years, due to the constant updates to the mission guide we update.
(http://eve-survival.org/)
Im not pulling stuff out of my A** i just dont see how you can say a golem is faster than a "same priced" CNR.
If you are looking purely at mission completion times then yes a CNR is going to beat the golem on a few missions. The reason that the golem is a better boat most of the time though is that while it may spot the CNR a minute or 2 on a few of the missions it more than makes up for this with the fact that it can cherry pick the Large wrecks. Being able to loot/salvage most of the good wrecks in missions makes this ship king.
As to you having trouble using the torp golem i would suggest that you work on your skills. There are several TP skills that you should have to at least 4 (TP %, optimal, and falloff). Not to mention having all the missile support skills also leveled. The golem is a very hard boat to fly if you do not have the proper skills to go with it.
Please in the future do not try to claim that one ship is better than another if you cannot back that statement up with some sort of facts. Just stating your feelings does not cut it.
I have a different perspective. Primarily, it depends how you run your missions. If you're going for blitz, max # missions per day, RNI with 7 cruises and a rack of BCS in lows is going to be your "Best" ship. If you're going for max isk by killing all enemies in the mission, RNI probably best there too. If you're going for mission completion and solo looting/salvaging as you go, you need a marauder. Throw in an alt following you, and all bets are off.
Having both ships in my hangar, both fit with Cruise missiles, I find myself choosing the Golem when I run solo and the RNI when I have an isthar/domi behind me with that extra oomph (sentries) and the 'just in case' flight of heavy shield bots.
TL;DR: Pick one, fly it, fit it to your taste. "Best" is too subjective to argue, when you're talking about different ships or goals. Same ship, same goal, pick a criterion and you can pick a 'best'. -
December 10, 2010, 11:44:53 am
Rear Admiral
Reputation: 894
Xalorous, do you see what's in the last 3 slots? It's salvaging equipment, meaning this ship wants to kill everything within a 40km radius. There's no real need for the AB on a setup like this. Cruise are definitely not efficient since torps will achieve enough range anyways. With 3 TP's, you're hitting for very good damage, even against cruisers. Use drones for frigs.
As for cost, you can use a c-type shield booster too. You only have 1 TP, which is horrible. By decreasing the cost, you're increasing the number of slots used to tank and therefore removing the gank aspect. That's not a very good tradeoff. -
December 21, 2010, 02:15:30 pm
LieutenantReputation: 295
+1 for a large description and lots of talking. -
December 24, 2010, 08:53:30 am
CommanderReputation: 121
blah, blah, blah...just use a NIGHTMARE and kill sanshas/bloods.
CNR and Golem both suck in comparision.
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January 16, 2011, 03:03:26 am
Member 4th ClassReputation: 1
I am using this in Geminate to run anomalies and signatures. Really nice fit and its really great, I use CN torps for everything that is within range and javelin torps to hit everything out of my range. Thanks for that suggestion. -
January 27, 2011, 10:31:36 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Hey Green
+1 the fit obv
With the advent of MWDs functioning in deadspace, do you think there is a viable fit that can opt out of range rigs for flares or something?
I'm on the verge of getting into a Golem, so I have no idea if this would work or not. -
January 27, 2011, 10:38:20 am
LieutenantReputation: 55
Hey Green
+1 the fit obv
With the advent of MWDs functioning in deadspace, do you think there is a viable fit that can opt out of range rigs for flares or something?
I'm on the verge of getting into a Golem, so I have no idea if this would work or not.
It would be useful for some missions but for overall i would say no, because one of the advantages of the Golem is loot/salvaging and by motoring around i suspect you would loose range on a lot of the dead wrecks to range thus cutting some isk/hour, plus the missions where motoring would useful you can already do without loosing tp's -
January 27, 2011, 06:30:59 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
I think most people are saying that is just better to use a cnr and notis combo for the missions.
some are having fun throwing a mwd on command ships like absolution.
I would just keep blitzing lvl 4's with a NM though...I like being lazy.
Sometimes I'll bust out the noctic to grab the wrecks if I know I can get over 5m worth of loot/salvage.
Still don't like the crappy range of Golem. Especially since the sansha and blood rats are usually so far away. I don't think a mwd fit golem would be very helpful against them cause you'll use up a good amount of cap and it will still take awile to get to them. -
April 12, 2011, 06:23:14 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 4
I was a little scared to try this fit initially because I've gotten so used to running an "over-tanked" setup for the last 7 years...but honestly, this changed the way I approached running missions in EvE. Amazing fit, and very well thought out.
I have to say that if everyone posted fits with as much information and work as you, BC would be a better place. Well done! -
April 12, 2011, 11:14:01 am
EnsignReputation: 79
i love how this still gets to the top everyso often even tho its 2 years old now
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April 22, 2011, 11:41:39 am
Member 1st ClassReputation: 0
great fit and just started buying mods towards it. however with the introduction of the noctis i found the other 2 tractors to be superfoulus instead i threw in a DLA and for when i have my basilisk run with me a meta 4 medium shield transport. any idea for a high for when the shield rr is not needed? -
April 29, 2011, 05:06:31 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 2
so i had this fit, loved it to death, managed to farm about 20ish lvl 4's when boom, ganked by 5 battleships in a 0.7 mission hub, my question is how does one fly this and escape being popped? yes i could have an alt warp to gates before hand but this is rather annoying, yes i could find some place in the back arse of nowhere, again this is kind of annoying, how does most of you who has this setup manage not to be ganked? ps they nuked me in around 40 seconds with everything overloaded on my end and good skills across the board.
would appreicate some info on the above because the thoughts of flying a t2 fit now makes me gag
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April 29, 2011, 06:37:52 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
so i had this fit, loved it to death, managed to farm about 20ish lvl 4's when boom, ganked by 5 battleships in a 0.7 mission hub, my question is how does one fly this and escape being popped? yes i could have an alt warp to gates before hand but this is rather annoying, yes i could find some place in the back arse of nowhere, again this is kind of annoying, how does most of you who has this setup manage not to be ganked? ps they nuked me in around 40 seconds with everything overloaded on my end and good skills across the board.
would appreicate some info on the above because the thoughts of flying a t2 fit now makes me gag
t2 hardeners, t2 shield boost amp, damage control. No more ganks. -
April 29, 2011, 07:17:17 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 2
so i had this fit, loved it to death, managed to farm about 20ish lvl 4's when boom, ganked by 5 battleships in a 0.7 mission hub, my question is how does one fly this and escape being popped? yes i could have an alt warp to gates before hand but this is rather annoying, yes i could find some place in the back arse of nowhere, again this is kind of annoying, how does most of you who has this setup manage not to be ganked? ps they nuked me in around 40 seconds with everything overloaded on my end and good skills across the board.
would appreicate some info on the above because the thoughts of flying a t2 fit now makes me gag
t2 hardeners, t2 shield boost amp, damage control. No more ganks.
no shit, that defeats the purpose of this epic fit
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April 29, 2011, 07:44:40 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
Could you at least post the killmail on here so we can see it?
You said mission hub, usually means 200+ local. That means you can't judge local spikes, and scanning for probes could be annoying. But I'd say while you're in mission, just make sure you have the direction scanner up and set to a relative distance, looking for probes.
Moving to a .9 or 1.0 hub could help as well, it would just make them use more ships to do it though.
Or use an alt to watch your back, or set probes on the mish area. -
April 29, 2011, 08:05:42 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
so i had this fit, loved it to death, managed to farm about 20ish lvl 4's when boom, ganked by 5 battleships in a 0.7 mission hub, my question is how does one fly this and escape being popped? yes i could have an alt warp to gates before hand but this is rather annoying, yes i could find some place in the back arse of nowhere, again this is kind of annoying, how does most of you who has this setup manage not to be ganked? ps they nuked me in around 40 seconds with everything overloaded on my end and good skills across the board.
would appreicate some info on the above because the thoughts of flying a t2 fit now makes me gag
t2 hardeners, t2 shield boost amp, damage control. No more ganks.
no shit, that defeats the purpose of this epic fit
Damage control alone should help prevent most ganks. Just fit one if you're moving systems. -
April 29, 2011, 09:00:08 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 2
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13123173
yes i sort of slacked meaning i wasnt paying full attention when i was warping of to station and because of this i didnt get to overload hardner's and booster in time so i took poor damage from it, but someone an hour later who got ganked in a similar ship was awake and still failed to survive by the same lot.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13123036
im not a carebear so to speak, i live in npc 0.0 space, but i do like to every now and then do lvl 4's in highsec, escaping all the madness 0.0 has to offer, with that i also enjoy flying this fit because it simply is awesome, just annoys the hell out of me that 5 bs's can pop such an expensive, well fitted ship so easily. -
April 29, 2011, 09:12:38 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
Yeah, a DC + higher sec could help. That, and just watch for Test guys in local.
Not much else you can do. If people want to suicide kill you, they will. Just takes more numbers. But, best of luck to ya. Just have your wits about you. -
April 30, 2011, 10:04:13 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
Killer fit.
Nice to see vicror troll this loadout into oblivion. (Searching for block user feature) -
May 01, 2011, 06:39:48 pm
CommanderReputation: 121
Killer fit.
LOL, trollin or truth? I'll let those that know better decide.
Nice to see vicror troll this loadout into oblivion. (Searching for block user feature)
Said it before and it's well known that gg flys his missile boats in Matar space vrs. angels (close range, explo./kin. damg. rats) and if you've ever seen any of his vids it's clear that he is an uber carebear that doesn't even know how to set up his overview.
soo, learn how to play the game or just STFU!!!
BTW, I never gave this a -1 as it works just fine for some people under certain circumstances...get a clue. -
May 02, 2011, 05:12:54 pm
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 145
OP - periods. They are different from question marks? -
May 03, 2011, 01:22:53 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
would having a tractor beam, salvager and drone link aug be better? that way you could just cherry pick what you want and still have good range with your drones.
with drone Ewar 5 you get 60km range on drones. abotu 55 to 57km with drone EWAR 4 abotu that range is fine for small and medium to do their job with the range on the torps too. -
May 03, 2011, 08:42:31 am
CrewmanReputation: 37
OP - periods. They are different from question marks?
The ? marks happened when the site redid everything last year, when i go in to try to edit it to get rid of all the ? marks i can't even see them, so they are kinda stuck there at this point
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May 08, 2011, 07:30:44 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
hey Gimp, if i swap boost amp for cap recharger and medium A type for Large A type (cheaper) will it still be stable? if not may have to use Cap boosters. -
May 08, 2011, 07:40:05 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
hey Gimp, if i swap boost amp for cap recharger and medium A type for Large A type (cheaper) will it still be stable? if not may have to use Cap boosters.
You could use a gist a-type large and have plenty of cap... about 8 minutes. If you throw in one or 2 cap implants, then you could potentially be stable. Though if you go with a c-type medium with a faction/cheap deadspace boost amp, then you get the same tank as the a-type large and no amp. Think that second option is cheaper too... -
May 08, 2011, 07:40:19 am
EnsignReputation: 79
you dont need to be stable with a bigger rep, you just use it when you need it -
May 08, 2011, 09:39:35 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
hey Gimp, if i swap boost amp for cap recharger and medium A type for Large A type (cheaper) will it still be stable? if not may have to use Cap boosters.
You could use a gist a-type large and have plenty of cap... about 8 minutes. If you throw in one or 2 cap implants, then you could potentially be stable. Though if you go with a c-type medium with a faction/cheap deadspace boost amp, then you get the same tank as the a-type large and no amp. Think that second option is cheaper too...
A type medium is like 800m to 1bill
Gist A large is roughly same i think
Pith A large is only 200m and nice amount of boost meaning no need for boost amp to get abotu same boost amount as A type medium (i think) and i already have everything apart from the medium A type (got pith A large insted to see if i can be stable with it, tho might need CR8)
But yeah.. its not a cheap boat and i wanted to fly one knowing this so i been jewing it up HARDCORE on missions to buy/fit ;x -
May 08, 2011, 08:21:31 pm
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
hey Gimp, if i swap boost amp for cap recharger and medium A type for Large A type (cheaper) will it still be stable? if not may have to use Cap boosters.
You could use a gist a-type large and have plenty of cap... about 8 minutes. If you throw in one or 2 cap implants, then you could potentially be stable. Though if you go with a c-type medium with a faction/cheap deadspace boost amp, then you get the same tank as the a-type large and no amp. Think that second option is cheaper too...
A type medium is like 800m to 1bill
Gist A large is roughly same i think
Pith A large is only 200m and nice amount of boost meaning no need for boost amp to get abotu same boost amount as A type medium (i think) and i already have everything apart from the medium A type (got pith A large insted to see if i can be stable with it, tho might need CR8)
But yeah.. its not a cheap boat and i wanted to fly one knowing this so i been jewing it up HARDCORE on missions to buy/fit ;x
You don't need to run a large pith stable... that just means you're decidating too much to cap.
If you want a cheap alternative route, go with a c-type medium and fit a boost amp. -
May 09, 2011, 02:15:56 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
i have a c type medium too. but that isnt the question. i asked if i would be stable with a cap recharger + large pith A type. or atleast last 15 mins or more. (since its only 200m compairied to the other "recomended" boosters) -
May 09, 2011, 04:54:26 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
i have a c type medium too. but that isnt the question. i asked if i would be stable with a cap recharger + large pith A type. or atleast last 15 mins or more. (since its only 200m compairied to the other "recomended" boosters)
No. -
May 09, 2011, 05:18:22 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 4
ideally id work toward getting an A type medium.. messed around with EFT all L5 and with medium cap booster+800s it would be stable with everything on at 40% but ill just pulse as needed (both shield and batt) till I get the A type cause I don't think C type med would be sufficient :x -
May 18, 2011, 06:29:57 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Hey Greengimp
Flying this ship now and loving it, switched the CN Shield boost Amplifier for a Pith A Type but apart from that all the same, just one thing I wanted to say though was "get your ass back to corp" hehe havent seen you in ages bud and we miss you around, lots to fill you in on, talk soon, TV -
June 22, 2011, 01:50:32 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
After having flown this identical setup for the last few months, I would give this 2 thumbs up if it were possible. Great fit! I was skeptical at first, but only because I'm used to over-tanking (which is dumb). I'm forever sold! -
July 22, 2011, 09:45:40 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
I've got a question for ya, since some rats usually like to sit around 50km+ or they are simply spawned too far away, and since imo using t2 ammo kinda defeats the purpose of having to grind for isk, the say, normal mjolnir torpedo will hit around 40ish kms, so, without an ab I don't see how useful is flying around to get within range of the rats... help? -
July 22, 2011, 11:40:32 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
I've got a question for ya, since some rats usually like to sit around 50km+ or they are simply spawned too far away, and since imo using t2 ammo kinda defeats the purpose of having to grind for isk, the say, normal mjolnir torpedo will hit around 40ish kms, so, without an ab I don't see how useful is flying around to get within range of the rats... help?
Javelin ammo is cheap... invest. If you're too cheap to use faction torps (they pay for themselves in increased efficiency), then you should just use a CNR with cruise missiles. -
July 22, 2011, 01:21:17 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
Well I guess I can be called cheap even though I bought the given golem fit. I am willing to use t2 torps but I have not actually flown the golem in a level 4, so I don't know who much ammo does it spend. Less then 7xcruise cnr I suppose. What like, a mil or maybe more per mission? -
July 22, 2011, 08:02:41 pm
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
Well I guess I can be called cheap even though I bought the given golem fit. I am willing to use t2 torps but I have not actually flown the golem in a level 4, so I don't know who much ammo does it spend. Less then 7xcruise cnr I suppose. What like, a mil or maybe more per mission?
Prob less, depending on the mission. I use t1 ammo with my machariel because it chews through ammo, but the golem is well worth faction or javelin. Don't use rage though, unless you're only shooting structures!
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July 23, 2011, 11:35:14 am
EnsignReputation: 79
rage work find against some missions, cept angels. if your in range they 2 /3 shot bs's -
July 24, 2011, 04:33:19 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
Okay, yeah my main was flying a mach for missions and there was no sense in using anything other then t1. Yeah so golem is worth it, thank you.
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July 24, 2011, 07:34:43 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
Since this topic has more active users, sorry for the off-topic a bit but:
I have a quick question for you guys:
Which is better:
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
or
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
For a CNR, ofc.
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July 24, 2011, 09:08:13 pm
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
Since this topic has more active users, sorry for the off-topic a bit but:
I have a quick question for you guys:
Which is better:
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
or
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
For a CNR, ofc.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/stoicfaux/SimpleRigorFlareComparisonSpreadsheetScreenshot.jpg
2 rigors, 1 flare, plus TP. -
July 24, 2011, 11:39:45 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 2
Many thanks, and if no painter involved? I'm guessing still 2 rigors and a flare? Thanks again. -
July 25, 2011, 07:14:55 am
Rear AdmiralReputation: 894
Many thanks, and if no painter involved? I'm guessing still 2 rigors and a flare? Thanks again.
Same, as long as they're t2. If you're going with t1 rigs, then just look at the spreadsheet I linked... -
July 25, 2011, 05:08:46 pm
LieutenantReputation: 55
Many thanks, and if no painter involved? I'm guessing still 2 rigors and a flare? Thanks again.
Same, as long as they're t2. If you're going with t1 rigs, then just look at the spreadsheet I linked...
While the spreadsheets say that the 2 rigor and flare is slightly better, all my ingame testing has proved that the all rigor has a slight advantage when using T1 and faction ammo, and that the 2 rigor and flare only pulls ahead a little when using T2 ammo -
January 04, 2012, 04:58:48 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Love it use it +1
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January 31, 2012, 11:31:23 pm
MemberReputation: 0
There are far better choices than this vanity ship. betters DPS, better tank...and even just about this this fit for a golem... Im sure it can do 4's...so can a drake... its not saying much. fail. -
February 01, 2012, 08:11:39 am
EnsignReputation: 79
if you actually read all 2 years 4 months worth of posts above you, you might understand why you just became flame bait... -
February 01, 2012, 08:27:07 am
CrewmanReputation: 37
There are far better choices than this vanity ship. betters DPS, better tank...and even just about this this fit for a golem... Im sure it can do 4's...so can a drake... its not saying much. fail.
I'm sorry, are you saying that because a drake can do lvl 4's.. any other fit is fail?
Btw nice osprey fit bro -
February 01, 2012, 10:09:59 am
LieutenantReputation: 730
There are far better choices than this vanity ship. betters DPS, better tank...and even just about this this fit for a golem... Im sure it can do 4's...so can a drake... its not saying much. fail.
Better choices than a Golem (IMO): Vargur, Machariel, possibly the Nightmare for SOME missions, all of which are "vanity ships." You're right, a Drake can do Level 4s....in about 10x the time. My Ibis can fly around in space, just like a Titan. Therefore, Titans are pointless. I take regular morning shits, just like Barrack Obama. Therefore, I'm the President! -
February 06, 2012, 11:57:26 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Using a Deadeye ZMC (Flight Time) instead of a Geadeye ZML (Velocity)
Are there any benefits I am missing?
Would the extra speed reduce the time a defender missile has to hit?
The overal distance flown is exactly the same.
ZMC is cheaper.
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February 07, 2012, 04:25:12 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 21
just use what is preferred. I'd prefer using both bay thruster rigs and ZML for the time. Faster missiles = faster hits = less wasted volleys = ammo saved. But, it's probably negligible and probably doesn't optimize speed of mission that much.
Again, either work, basically the same, just go with which ever one ya want. -
February 20, 2012, 03:06:13 am
MemberReputation: 2
Does it work well in null ratting? -
February 20, 2012, 07:01:35 am
EnsignReputation: 79
as long as you don't get jammed or nuet'd its good for sanctums ect, 22m pings -
March 09, 2012, 10:42:44 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 2
I love not only this fit, but i really love your crystal fit. I've been trying out using 4TPs and my god its too easy. Ive also found that for those missions where you need an AB, you don't need a good tank, so I take out an invul shield for a TP. I've managed to do worlds collide with just invul because this thing just wrecks everything with max 3 shots. ++++++++++++++1
