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stogie
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a drake dose double the damage and is cheaper and better for missions
unslaught
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the thing is... a raven will complete lvl 4's 3-4 times faster then this  ;)
omnigord
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Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.
BaronAgamemnon
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Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.

Bows are really powerful you know? So you comparsions fail a little bit ;).

But yeah, get a Raven that actually got some bonuses to missiles. Also too few damage mods.

You do not need to peram run your tank, if you put a lot of damage mods on this and some target painters, and I might be ablet o give it a +1 ;)
aominr
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I thought the whole point  of doing missions was to bring too much firepower and finish them as fast as you can, to get more missions and make more money.

Everyone might clap for you for finishing a L4 in an Ishkur, but they are really shaking their head and calling you a Dumbass.
stogie
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Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.

no missions in a raven is like hunting rabbits with a 400mm hellfire gatling gun quite boring and not messy enough

missions in this is like hunting gaters bear handed swimming naked with a dead rabbit strapped to your manly area its only going to go bad and itull be slow and painful

now doing missions in a paladin is like hunting Abu Hamza with a exploding pig cannon its very fun and messy and afterwards you can put his head on a pole where it belongs
Lavos
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A raven is a ship thats better at running missions then a scorpion.
Silvia
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a Scorpion for mission umm FAIL
omnigord
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Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.

Bows are really powerful you know? So you comparsions fail a little bit ;).

But yeah, get a Raven that actually got some bonuses to missiles. Also too few damage mods.

You do not need to peram run your tank, if you put a lot of damage mods on this and some target painters, and I might be ablet o give it a +1 ;)

Yes, bows are powerful. And Assault rifles are much more powerful. That was sort of the effect I was going for.

With good cap skills you can drop 2 of the flux coils for 2 more BCUs and still have a sustained shield efficiency of 800.

For bonus points -  drop a cap recharger and fit some ECM.

The point of this fit isn't to be better than a Raven or a marauder. It's to take a low cost BS that isnt a dominix and have it do missions effectively (Not as effectively as some more costly ships, but still good enough)
Patriarch
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My analogy time.

This is like going to prom with a retarded girl.

The raven is like going with a decent girl that has no emotions.
bayram blacklion
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no bonus to missile no bonus to tank all you get is a bonus to ecm sooo= non ecm scorpion fit fail sorry its like fitting a falcon as a tackler  ;D
omnigord
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no bonus to missile no bonus to tank all you get is a bonus to ecm sooo= non ecm scorpion fit fail sorry its like fitting a falcon as a tackler  ;D

It's not a tackler.
You dont need any shield bonus to tank with this ship.
And you can tank so well with it, that you can cut back the tank to make room for damage mods.

Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.

no missions in a raven is like hunting rabbits with a 400mm hellfire gatling gun quite boring and not messy enough

missions in this is like hunting gaters bear handed swimming naked with a dead rabbit strapped to your manly area its only going to go bad and itull be slow and painful

now doing missions in a paladin is like hunting Abu Hamza with a exploding pig cannon its very fun and messy and afterwards you can put his head on a pole where it belongs

Umm, lol?
bayram blacklion
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onmi its a nice try but in the end a scorp is a ecm boat and it will not act good used in any other way
stogie
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My analogy time.

This is like going to prom with a retarded girl.

The raven is like going with a decent girl that has no emotions.

your idea of women must be very VERY low then


Lee Anderson
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Replace the turrets with multi spec jammers ::)
stogie
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Replace the turrets with multi spec jammers ::)

thats a mothership not a battleship
Lee Anderson
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Replace the turrets with multi spec jammers ::)

thats a mothership not a battleship
:rofl:
omnigord
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onmi its a nice try but in the end a scorp is a ecm boat and it will not act good used in any other way

Getting a 1k tank without having cap skills at 5 and dealing 300 DPS is not good?
unslaught
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nobody will say the tank of a scorp is bad, they make very good bait ships, but be honest 300dps is very poor when facing a lvl 4 with multiple bc/bs and all the small stuff flying around. will take houres to complete let's say worlds collide, the score, angel/guristas extra...
omnigord
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nobody will say the tank of a scorp is bad, they make very good bait ships, but be honest 300dps is very poor when facing a lvl 4 with multiple bc/bs and all the small stuff flying around. will take houres to complete let's say worlds collide, the score, angel/guristas extra...

I have been doing L4s with my crappy skills in a Raven fit that gets 250 dps (with drones) and I can finish any average mission quick enough.
MINA123
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this > a raven.

also in comparison between hunting with a bow and gun.

its more a case of

using a raven is like hunting with mines.

you just gotta press f1-7 and watch as anything in the way slowly and painfully dies.

using this is like hunting with a bear. as soon as it gets in range and you kill something the bear will fight you 1v1 for it.

then you want an ishkur. so kermit can take of his mask and reveal he is chuck norris and roundhouse kick the world so hard the bear is left dead on the ground without even dying.

yeeh try and work that one out :P
SuperNova221
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in a Raven fit that gets 250 dps (with drones)

You're doing it wrong?

You can get more with a cruiser using rails. 250 DPS is really, really poor : \

If that's all you get then you probably don't have enough skills to properly use it yet. As long as you can tank L4's and don't mind spending hours on missions then fair enough keep the Raven.

As for this fit, meh, I'm against Raven's and all but I'd say it's better, with med skills you should have far more DPS and more than enough tank for L4's.
omnigord
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in a Raven fit that gets 250 dps (with drones)

You're doing it wrong?

You can get more with a cruiser using rails. 250 DPS is really, really poor : \

If that's all you get then you probably don't have enough skills to properly use it yet. As long as you can tank L4's and don't mind spending hours on missions then fair enough keep the Raven.

As for this fit, meh, I'm against Raven's and all but I'd say it's better, with med skills you should have far more DPS and more than enough tank for L4's.

Read: CRAPPY SKILLS

I can't use T2 drones, and I only have cruise spec 1. I dont spend the money to buy T2 ammo for missions. And I cant fit a BCU on my raven because I need the PDU to make it cap stable.
My missile support skills are not great either.
All of this leaves me with about 200 DPS from the missiles, and about 50 from drones.
Pewbly
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I'd fly it if I had more than Standard Missiles 3.  :thumbsup:
Lavos
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 IF your going to fly a ship and dont have no "skills" under the covers, spend your time learning from a Dominix. She'll teach you a few new tricks and do it cheap.

this > a raven.

also in comparison between hunting with a bow and gun.

its more a case of

using a raven is like hunting with mines.

you just gotta press f1-7 and watch as anything in the way slowly and painfully dies.

using this is like hunting with a bear. as soon as it gets in range and you kill something the bear will fight you 1v1 for it.

then you want an ishkur. so kermit can take of his mask and reveal he is chuck norris and roundhouse kick the world so hard the bear is left dead on the ground without even dying.

yeeh try and work that one out :P

...I have no response to that. At all.
Patriarch
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IF your going to fly a ship and dont have no "skills" under the covers, spend your time learning from a Dominix. She'll teach you a few new tricks and do it cheap.

Some of us like to stay in race.
omnigord
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IF your going to fly a ship and dont have no "skills" under the covers, spend your time learning from a Dominix. She'll teach you a few new tricks and do it cheap.


One of the reason my DPS is so low is crappy drone skills. And anything a blaster domi could do, my rokh could probably do better.
AND, in the time it would take to train gallente cruiser 4, and Gallente BS 1, I could train the cap/missile skills for increased DPS.
Pewbly
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It's true. Omnigord is known for his terrible drone skills.

I consider it my job to laugh at them anywhere from three to four times a day.

 :rofl:
omnigord
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It's true. Omnigord is known for his terrible drone skills.

I consider it my job to laugh at them anywhere from three to four times a day.

 :rofl:

Says Mister I-dont-even-have-gunnery-5   :screwloose:
stogie
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It's true. Omnigord is known for his terrible drone skills.

I consider it my job to laugh at them anywhere from three to four times a day.

 :rofl:

Says Mister I-dont-even-have-gunnery-5   :screwloose:

maybe both of you should think about wow instead
SuperNova221
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IF your going to fly a ship and dont have no "skills" under the covers, spend your time learning from a Dominix. She'll teach you a few new tricks and do it cheap.


One of the reason my DPS is so low is crappy drone skills. And anything a blaster domi could do, my rokh could probably do better.
AND, in the time it would take to train gallente cruiser 4, and Gallente BS 1, I could train the cap/missile skills for increased DPS.

You're underestimating Domi's a lot.

Just saying.  ::)
SickSeven
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Why is this thread still going?
MINA123
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Domi > Rokh.

Cant cant hit shit from under 5km.
omnigord
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Noone seems to get that the point of this thread is: This is how to fit a scorp to do what a Raven does. And it only does it slightly worse.

So if, for whatever reason, you are flying a scorp, this is a good fit to use for running missions.

"Because that other ship is better" is a very poor reason to thumbs-down a fit.

maybe both of you should think about wow instead

Now back off topic. Why do you say that?
AIDSth3STDeath
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Drop one hardener and put in a Shield Boost amplifier.
Get rid of one Cap Flux and add anotehr BCS II

Then get a raven if you want to use this ship to run missions. Scorpion is an EW ship, and should be used as such. its dps isnt even close to a Raven's if you factor in defender missiles.
SuperNova221
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Because that other ship is better, doesn't cost much more, requires less skills for the equipment, few hours difference at most between flying them both and vastly outperforms it in terms of damage, tank and micromanaging, is a good reason for a thumbs down.
Patriarch
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Because that other ship is better, doesn't cost much more, requires less skills for the equipment, few hours difference at most between flying them both and vastly outperforms it in terms of damage, tank and micromanaging, is a good reason for a thumbs down.

QFT
omnigord
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Because that other ship is better, doesn't cost much more, requires less skills for the equipment, few hours difference at most between flying them both and vastly outperforms it in terms of damage, tank and micromanaging, is a good reason for a thumbs down.

Fit named rails, then the only other skill you need is Large Hybrid.
The tank on this is only slightly less than on a raven. Still more than enough for any properly handled L4.
I dont know if you enjoy micromanagement or not, but some people do.
The damage is, of course, where the raven outperform this ship.
But again, this isn't about fitting a raven, it's about fitting a scorp.

Drop one hardener and put in a Shield Boost amplifier.
Get rid of one Cap Flux and add anotehr BCS II

It gets more DPS and more tank with 4 specific hardeners, rails with faction ammo, and 2 flux coils.
SuperNova221
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Even with all 5 skills this setups DPS is quite poor, with low/med skills you'll be better off in a Drake, a :censored: ing Drake. Yeah that's right. I said a Drake is better than this for DPS. When you're out-damaged by a Drake something is wrong, not only that, but heavy missiles can hit med sized targets easier so you'll get more DPS on them too.

It's probably better with high-skills too tbh.
omnigord
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Even with all 5 skills this setups DPS is quite poor, with low/med skills you'll be better off in a Drake, a  :censored: ing Drake. Yeah that's right. I said a Drake is better than this for DPS. When you're out-damaged by a Drake something is wrong, not only that, but heavy missiles can hit med sized targets easier so you'll get more DPS on them too.

It's probably better with high-skills too tbh.

With skills all at 5, and using T2 modules/drones, a raven gets ~580 DPS
This fit, with the same skills and T2 modules/drones, gets ~500 DPS.
Worse? yes.
Still effective? Yes
SuperNova221
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Worse? Yes.
Effective? Not really, sure it'll do the job a Raven will do, but slower, with more micromanaging and slightly less tank but sure it'll still kill stuff I never said it wouldn't. Although just as it CAN do it doesn't mean it's effective. A toothbrush can clean a floor, that doesn't mean you should use a toothbrush to clean a floor. Takes far too much time.

I must also note that with your DPS figures you are using Javelin which is the shortest range ammo and has a penalty to speed. So not only are you going to have to switch ammo when rats come closer, when they are very close you won't be able to go as fast. If you have to go to a gate somewhere that's going to further increase mission time. ALSO a Raven with all 5 skills, all T2 fit including T2 ammo will do 735 DPS with a target painter on so it'll do more effective DPS ingame.
Sargeant Hammer
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Noone seems to get that the point of this thread is: This is how to fit a scorp to do what a Raven does. And it only does it slightly worse.

So if, for whatever reason, you are flying a scorp, this is a good fit to use for running missions.

"Because that other ship is better" is a very poor reason to thumbs-down a fit.

maybe both of you should think about wow instead

Now back off topic. Why do you say that?

slightly? as in hitler was slightly nasty?

look man, theres no damage in this thing. the raven has bonuses to missiles and the scorp doesnt.the shield setup is fine just pointless, youd be better off passive tanking this. for the guns to be truly effective you need a tracking computer at least. plus did anyone say www.dontmixguns.com yet?
Lavos
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So were back to the fact that your trying to push a scorpion is as good as a raven, or the difference between the two is so little, that theres no point to choosing a raven over a scorpion. lets make a little list of the advantages of the two for pve missions.

Scorpion: Its cheaper. It has more mid slots for shield tanks.

Raven: It has more missile slots, it has a missile bonus, it has two extra high slots, it has an extra low slot, damage mods are more effective because of weapon layout. A bunch of other stuff I dont care to list.

 The point is no, for the 40 million isk difference in price (which is piddly) using a scorpion for mission running over a raven does not make sense. You have failed. End of pointless argument.
Prysidt
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Ok, as far as the tank goes, it's ok, but as far as the dps goes, shoddy at best.

Even if you fit faction missiles, you wont be able to break the majority of the tanks on bs (e.g. the pithum userpers), 300dps, I hate to say, is SAD, my vagabond puts out 450, and my drake 380, plus both ships are cheaper to set up, and tank better.
deadly guy
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Doing missions in a Raven is like hunting deer with an assault rifle.

Doing missions in a Scorpion is like hunting deer with a bow.
Doing missions with a Raven is like hunting deer with nukes

Doing missions in a scorpion is like hunting deer with 1 leg, 1 arm, 1 eye 17 toes, no penis, 2 fingers in each hand, your skin is pink, your on a survival program called "gay man fails at surviving" and your using a fluffy toy to kill deer.
Trabber Shir
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Will this complete most level 4 missions: yes.

Can it be done a lot better with the same skills: yes

Can it be done cheaper: yes

Can this complete Enemies Abound 5 of 5: Probably not

Will some missions be unprofitable due to the need to use faction ammo: yes

You say you have crap skills at several points above, but everything on here is T2. Many mission runners never train for T2 launchers because in a good ship, you can afford faction launchers before you can finish training for T2. The shield booster you are using takes Shield Operation 5.

It is only 20mil cheaper than a raven with twice the damage output.

With lower skills requirements than this fit you can set up a drake with the same stats for 20 million less.

Basically this fit will mostly work for its intended purpose, however it can be outperformed in every respect by other fits.

Scorpion: New Setup 1

omnigord's Scorpion built 2009-04-28

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425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
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Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Energy Management 4
Energy Systems Operation 4
Shield Compensation 3

Advanced Weapon Upgrades 1

1k therm/kin tank
300 dps


EDIT: Switch the artillery for rails. Dropped boost amp for cap recharge. Dropped flux coil for BCU.

Needs Energy System Ops 5. Does not need any advanced weapon upgrades.

(All these DPS numbers include the 5 T2 drones)
With my skills and standard ammo: 794 therm/kin tank 303 DPS
With all skills at 5 and tech 2 ammo: 797 therm/kin tank 500 DPS

For comparison, permaboost raven with T2 fitting instead of faction fit, all skills at 5 and tech 2 ammo: 806 therm/kin tank 587 DPS

Targeting

Maximum targets 7
Maximum targeting range 112.5 km
Scan resolution 137.5
Sensor strength 24 0 0 0

Size/Movement

Maximum velocity 117.5
Inertia modifier 0.0783
Signature radius 480 m
Cargo capacity 550 m3

Systems

Capacitor capacity 4400 GJ
Capacitor recharge time 1 minutes 36 seconds
Powergrid 10163.8 / 11250MW
CPU 849.75 / 937.5 tf

Shields

Shield capacity 8750
Shield recharge time 31 minutes 15 seconds
Shield resistances 0% 50% 85.91% 81.21%

Armor

Armor hit points 6875
Armor resistances 50% 10% 25% 45%

Structure

Structure hit points 8125
Structure resistances 0% 0% 0% 0%
Drone bandwidth 75 Mbit/sec
Drone control range 0 m

Drones

Drone capacity 75 m3
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[Scorpion, Scorpion: New Setup 1]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Empty

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II

425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II
Item Quantity Value
Scorpion 1 166,000,000
Capacitor Flux Coil II 2 519,480
Cap Recharger II 3 437,990
Hammerhead II 1 659,990
Kinetic Deflection Field II 2 1,350,000
Thermic Dissipation Field II 2 1,324,740
425mm Railgun II 2 3,900,000
X-Large Shield Booster II 1 501
Cruise Missile Launcher II 4 2,294,990
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 1 985
Ballistic Control System II 2 877,500
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile 1 350
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 3 7,194,500
Total 214,682,695
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