Loadout: Tengu: 4000 DPS Tank
Tengu: 4000 DPS Tank
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Tengu with 3500 DPS Tank
4500+ DPS Tank with X-Type active hardeners Just for the records: You can't kill ships with this setup. It's a perfect bait and PvE Tanker (10/10 plex etc.). Tank bitch: 2 Nyx, 40 Fighters, 2 Target Painters, 1 Webb, 1 500 DPS Tengu: Screenshot: http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5778/tengu4500.jpg |
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April 07, 2009, 01:49:37 amPetty Officer 2nd. Class
Reputation: 0
well looks like tank drake to me its nothing real special about it accept for the fact that it is a tech 3 -
April 07, 2009, 03:25:24 am
Commodore
Reputation: 0
GET A DRAKE
never thought ill say that one
its about 3 bill cheaper and dose more damage -
April 07, 2009, 03:46:44 am
Commander
Reputation: 65
3b ? try about 4 after u pay people not to suicde you
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April 07, 2009, 04:04:03 am
Lieutenant
Reputation: 94
I can't see these t3 ships. Am I missing something? -
April 07, 2009, 04:07:05 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
3b ? try about 4 after u pay people not to suicde you
be nice ive been away camping yes neutering yourself with bricks is better -
April 07, 2009, 04:11:36 am
Member 3rd class
Reputation: 0
A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS. -
April 07, 2009, 04:15:22 am
Fleet Captain
Reputation: 41
Might I ask, what do you expect to kill? -
April 07, 2009, 04:17:46 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
It's not a killer. It's a bait, plex tanker or s.e. -
April 07, 2009, 04:24:32 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
indeed a drake cant tank 4000dps but could a good passive tank drake still puts up a 1200dps tank and it will only cost a percentage of that t3 ship here and if you use it as bait you might end up getting
you should roll with a drake
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April 07, 2009, 04:30:44 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank -
April 07, 2009, 04:32:59 am
Master Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 24
A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank
That one day that you get jumped by 10 Brutix's... -
April 07, 2009, 04:34:04 am
Senior Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 3
But a Drake is obvious bait. Obvious bait is obvious.
This, on the other hand, is epic T3 bait. -
April 07, 2009, 04:55:32 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
That would be 10k dps, not 4k.A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank
That one day that you get jumped by 10 Brutix's... -
April 07, 2009, 05:01:50 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 2
You made a pimped Drake.
Nothing more
And it fails since it got low dps, no speed mod and no tackle.
Try and actually make a nice PvP fit for this. Its quite good when done right.
Granted, as a tanker it may do well for plsexes, but not as bait. For bait you need tackle to actually trap your target
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April 07, 2009, 05:18:35 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
You made a pimped Drake.
not if the bait is tasty enough (Structure tanked navythron)
Nothing more
And it fails since it got low dps, no speed mod and no tackle.
Try and actually make a nice PvP fit for this. Its quite good when done right.
Granted, as a tanker it may do well for plsexes, but not as bait. For bait you need tackle to actually trap your target. -
April 07, 2009, 05:22:55 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
That would be 10k dps, not 4k.A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank
That one day that you get jumped by 10 Brutix's...
I was being conservative - chances are, if they are flying in groups of 10, their skills might not be very high, hehe
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April 07, 2009, 05:49:51 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
tou have to get all the pieces to get that.
and if you die, you have to get them back
plus one skill taht you will lose
you also need to get t2 rigs
even carrier pilots dont put that on
and waht happens if you accidentally bait something like 4-5 paladins?
you can't flee when someone brings up a ship taht cant kill you but that can warp jam you and stasis web you and call his crew
wich means they got all the time in the world to bring people that can take you down
and you won't be able to kill them
but you will be able to lose billions in a record time on a CRUISER -
April 08, 2009, 06:03:02 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
so the morale of this is, dont fly that ship this way there are much better setups eveb for baiting at least make it hurt try it like a buffer gank type you be off better with that
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April 08, 2009, 06:39:31 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
if you want a big tank, take a dreadnought with t1 rigs.
it's cheaper. -
April 08, 2009, 06:43:16 am
CommanderReputation: 8
You made a pimped Drake.
not if the bait is tasty enough (Structure tanked navythron)
Nothing more
And it fails since it got low dps, no speed mod and no tackle.
Try and actually make a nice PvP fit for this. Its quite good when done right.
Granted, as a tanker it may do well for plsexes, but not as bait. For bait you need tackle to actually trap your target.
some1 been watching kil2 videos again? -
April 08, 2009, 06:45:59 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 3
lvl 5 mission tank -
April 08, 2009, 07:40:13 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
maybe...not if the bait is tasty enough (Structure tanked navythron)
some1 been watching kil2 videos again? -
April 08, 2009, 08:17:05 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
That would be 10k dps, not 4k.A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank
That one day that you get jumped by 10 Brutix's...
I was being conservative - chances are, if they are flying in groups of 10, their skills might not be very high, hehe
then maybe they are after capital ships a fleet of 10-20 bruti can take down any non super cap and prolly some super caps
have i ever seen it NO
do i want to see it HELL YEAH
ps.do i see a women on a eve forum -
April 08, 2009, 08:22:14 am
Captain
Reputation: 112
my drake tanks 2800~ dps, and is a fraction of the price of this. and my tank doesn't even count implants.
if you want better tank, use thukker tribe shield extenders -
April 08, 2009, 08:24:30 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
my drake tanks 2800~ dps, and is a fraction of the price of this. and my tank doesn't even count implants.
if you want better tank, use thukker tribe shield extenders
YOU DRAKE NEEDS DAMAGE MODS -
April 08, 2009, 08:28:10 am
CommanderReputation: 65
I would like to request a lock on this setup due to its non existant chance of ever being used and looking very much like a dream setup/ship -
April 08, 2009, 08:33:17 am
CaptainReputation: 112
I would like to request a lock on this setup due to its non existant chance of ever being used and looking very much like a dream setup/ship
i second that -
April 08, 2009, 08:45:52 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
I would like to request a lock on this setup due to its non existant chance of ever being used and looking very much like a dream setup/ship
i second that
I approve -
April 08, 2009, 08:48:20 am
Petty Officer 1st. Class
Reputation: 3
why would you lock this, it is a great setup, and perfect bait... the point of a bait ship is that your buddies are 1-2 jumps from you waiting to kill the everliving crap out of whoever tries to kill you. with a 4000+ dps tank, you are not going to die within the time it takes for your buddies to get to you. and you have done your job, the dmg on this is an afterthought, it is as the OP stated, a BAIT ship. and as to the ppl who stated its a dream setup.. if your going to spend the money for the hull, might as well make it un-killable with faction gear/t2rigs.
+1 from me -
April 08, 2009, 08:52:20 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
I would like to request a lock on this setup due to its non existant chance of ever being used and looking very much like a dream setup/ship
i second that
I approve
your god agrees -
April 08, 2009, 08:53:25 am
Petty Officer 3rd. Class
Reputation: 0
I'm impressed, I was curious if the strategic cruisers were going to be worth anything but this shows that they have great potential as far as taking damage, I'm curious to see what loadouts are to come.
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April 08, 2009, 08:55:30 am
CommanderReputation: 65
why would you lock this, it is a great setup, and perfect bait... the point of a bait ship is that your buddies are 1-2 jumps from you waiting to kill the everliving crap out of whoever tries to kill you. with a 4000+ dps tank, you are not going to die within the time it takes for your buddies to get to you. and you have done your job, the dmg on this is an afterthought, it is as the OP stated, a BAIT ship. and as to the ppl who stated its a dream setup.. if your going to spend the money for the hull, might as well make it un-killable with faction gear/t2rigs.
we havent said its a bad setup. But the ship is wrong. Personally if your gang is 1-2 jumps out i`d go for something cheaper and even if its more likely to die when ure mates are only a few jumps out you should last just long enough to make itas a bait ship. Because that is the point of a bait ship mostly. Go in. Flash your Bum at them. Slowly die. Watch as your mates come in. Die
+1 from me
If bait ships are meant to survive then why not use a nh that atleast has some damage and can still get around a 2.5k tank for like 1/10th the price of this -
April 08, 2009, 09:01:33 am
Captain
Reputation: 144
I object to the use of the word 'unkillable'.
There is no such thing in Eve as an unkillable ship. A Cruiser/HAC gang would rip this apart, those 10 Brutixes? Even if flown by pilots with moderate gunnery skills, will still shove out over 600 DPS each...
Hell, I know a great many pilots who would bite on this even knowing it was bait, and they would make sure it would die before they went down. They would do it just to kill a 4.5 billion ISK ship (before mods)... thats an equivilant price to 40 HAC's...
This is far from unkillable... even a 4000 DPS tank can be torn to pieces by a high enough alpha.... -
April 08, 2009, 09:04:13 am
LieutenantReputation: 10
Things seem level headed in here so far as well as its makeing for good dialogue. There for it will stay open for now. -
April 08, 2009, 12:58:08 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 15
IF it can actually tank 4kdps (I have my doubts) then it might actually be worth the billions of isk for the hull. -
April 08, 2009, 12:58:30 pm
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 3
So, in effect, a T3 cruiser can never, ever, be used as bait? Forever and ever amen? -
April 08, 2009, 01:02:25 pm
Crewman Recruit
Reputation: 0
was using a very similar setup on Sisi before the update.
could tank 2 carriers no prob...when the 3 marauders, 2 MS's, 4 BS's, 5 Strategic cruisers, and a @&#* load of drones popped in....well lets just say I didn't last very long after that.
it can DEFINITELY tank 4k dmg with the proper skills tho. -
April 08, 2009, 01:27:22 pm
CaptainReputation: 144
So, in effect, a T3 cruiser can never, ever, be used as bait? Forever and ever amen?
Sure it can...
Bait has a tendancy to die though... something worth bearing in mind. Especially if those biting on the bait have a counter prepared for the baits friends...
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April 08, 2009, 01:41:07 pm
Lieutenant Commander
Reputation: 8
it's not that hard to break a 4k dps tank... some dps bs and some hac's and you're toast within a few minutes. 4mega's, 4 torp ravens and you're gone in what, 30sec/1min. if there's a t3 cruiser you will get jumped by a large gang, pretty sure of that...
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April 08, 2009, 01:48:46 pm
Crewman
Reputation: 0
lvl 5 mission tank
can't, lvl 5=cap rape, so NO cap usage unless you wish to have a dead 5 odd billion ship. -
April 08, 2009, 02:01:07 pm
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Reputation: 16
this hardly has any cap usage, so yeah the lvl5 option still a valid one. Ignoring the huge "Hot drop a capital fleet on me plz" sign this would get by showing up on scanner. -
April 08, 2009, 02:30:06 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 0
I am impressed I wasn't sure if the TEch 3 would find a very usefull area. I thought i'd have to wait for bigger tech 3 ships.
This ship should be used just for the reasons the OP stated. This ship and setup will replace commandships for level 5 missions and i would be very happy if this ship would take all the dmg in a 10/10 plex. Because there is considerable damage in those areas. -
April 08, 2009, 03:33:57 pm
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
That would be 10k dps, not 4k.A Drake can't tank 4000+ DPS.
when are you ever going to need a 4000+ dps tank
That one day that you get jumped by 10 Brutix's...
I was being conservative - chances are, if they are flying in groups of 10, their skills might not be very high, hehe
then maybe they are after capital ships a fleet of 10-20 bruti can take down any non super cap and prolly some super caps
have i ever seen it NO
do i want to see it HELL YEAH
ps.do i see a women on a eve forum
There's no such thing as women on the internets, stogie
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April 08, 2009, 04:14:09 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 15
I am impressed I wasn't sure if the TEch 3 would find a very usefull area. I thought i'd have to wait for bigger tech 3 ships.
What we really needed was a new BS imo, but despite having 2xHAC's for each faction most of which are pretty good we get... 972(?) new ships in what was already the most varied and useful ship class in the game. And and the only T2 combat BS's are still perma-jammed by a flight of ecm drones... -
April 08, 2009, 07:35:57 pm
Member
Reputation: 0
+1 for getting an OMGWTFBBQ tank on a cruiser. -1 for suggesting using it as bait. -1 for suggesting using a 4.5 BILLION ISK ship as bait. +1 for finding a ship that could potentially tank a 10/10 deadspace.
+1 for having such an awesome idea.
Net gain:
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April 08, 2009, 07:47:08 pm
Ensign
Reputation: 2
I see no reason why a ship like this can't be bait. It's a good setup. The lack of point is a little questionable, but I have a suspicion that the fact that you're a tech III ship is enough to keep them there.
Also, sounds useful for PVE. -
April 08, 2009, 08:19:54 pm
MemberReputation: 0
Well, apart from the lack of point, this ship would actually make a pretty good bait ship, IF IT DIDN'T COST SO FRIGGIN' MUCH.
Sure, it can tank a lot of stuff, and give enough time for your friends to jump in. However, if you run into the wrong group (10 brutixes for example), you're gonna lose the 4.5bil you put into the ship pretty damn fast.
I'd rather fly around and bait in a nightmare than in this. It'd be cheaper. -
April 09, 2009, 02:17:13 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
BTW: Some days ago I tanked 2 Nyx, 1 500 DPS Tengu and 1 Rapier with 2 Target Painters and 1 Webb (4500 DPS Tank, mixed Fighters, Navy Invus).
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5778/tengu4500.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5778/tengu4500.jpg -
April 09, 2009, 02:47:13 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
carriers have lousy dps -
April 09, 2009, 03:23:16 am
CaptainReputation: 144
Especially if they were using fighters...
Now if they were using Mediums.... -
April 09, 2009, 09:17:07 am
CommodoreReputation: 0
BTW: Some days ago I tanked 2 Nyx, 1 500 DPS Tengu and 1 Rapier with 2 Target Painters and 1 Webb (4500 DPS Tank, mixed Fighters, Navy Invus).
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5778/tengu4500.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5778/tengu4500.jpg
big deal now try killing something with your pathetic dps -
April 09, 2009, 10:27:07 am
CommanderReputation: 8
dps is the best tank by far, kill before getting killed -
April 09, 2009, 10:59:11 am
CaptainReputation: 144
The main point is, the Nyx were using Fighter... not medium drones... fighters have terrible tracking, especially against a cruiser sized ship. Had the Nyx' been using medium drones, which do full damage against cruiser sized ships... I think you will find ACTUAL DPS inflicted by those motherships would be substantially higher.
Fighters are for BS and other caps... for sub BS you use standard drones.
Oh yes... drone tracking matters now mmmkay? -
April 09, 2009, 11:10:45 am
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
no matter how long you can last with a single ship only good for tanking, you will never be able to kill something.
Even if you are a bait, your crew can die.
And your 3-4 billions.
Lets not forget them. -
April 10, 2009, 06:27:13 pm
Crewman Novice
Reputation: 0
I'm actually wondering why when I put all that info into EFT, I am only getting about 1600dps tank. I have it set on Uniform Damage Distribution, maybe it is assuming 100% income damage as Thermal? I set 100% thermal as incoming damage and got 4078dps tank. How realistic is that, though? I mean, if you do 100% EM damage, it only goes to 816dps tank. Which is more likely? If you are looking at L5 tanking and not PVP, you could match your hardeners to the damage type (100% Thermal damage, which is unlikely, but still fun, would net 7300dps tank!)
But then you have to look at the fact that if you are doing L5 missions, you are not even CAP STABLE with the invulns, let alone the fact that you get CAP RAPED. With UDD, once you are cap destroyed, you only have 930 tank, which is still a pretty good tank, but nothing near as advertised. -
April 16, 2009, 12:50:08 pm
CrewmanReputation: 0
Well, I will say that this made me laugh my ass off...Now if this were for PvE and purely PvE maybe (if you actually wanted to be dumb and spend that much), but in PvP its more about the gank than it is about the tank, because [in a real fight] you can ALWAYS find enough DPS on the other side to serve your arse to you on a silver platter if it needs to. -
April 16, 2009, 12:54:27 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
Does 2 target painters on a cruiser not blow it up to the size of a BS?
Especially when it's a Rapier applying them... -
April 16, 2009, 02:40:44 pm
CrewmanReputation: 0
I'm actually wondering why when I put all that info into EFT, I am only getting about 1600dps tank. I have it set on Uniform Damage Distribution, maybe it is assuming 100% income damage as Thermal? I set 100% thermal as incoming damage and got 4078dps tank. How realistic is that, though? I mean, if you do 100% EM damage, it only goes to 816dps tank. Which is more likely? If you are looking at L5 tanking and not PVP, you could match your hardeners to the damage type (100% Thermal damage, which is unlikely, but still fun, would net 7300dps tank!)
But then you have to look at the fact that if you are doing L5 missions, you are not even CAP STABLE with the invulns, let alone the fact that you get CAP RAPED. With UDD, once you are cap destroyed, you only have 930 tank, which is still a pretty good tank, but nothing near as advertised.
His has to be looking at something like a 55:45 Therm|Kin with 4x Thukker Large Shield Extender and 2x Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field...That would give you a tank of 4766 without any squad boosts applied...
PS - Its not even cap stable outside of a LVL5 using this build...
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April 16, 2009, 02:49:03 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 25
I see people use golems all the time as bait... but normally they have a ridiculously good fleet backing them.
If you had a good fleet backing you, I say why the hell not. People would love to have this on their killmail and will pursue you even when your friends warp in on them.
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April 16, 2009, 02:56:42 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
maybe he has implants.
and it was my understandng that evenn capitals can be killed by sleepers and they can easaly get a 5k tank. -
April 16, 2009, 04:55:44 pm
CrewmanReputation: 0
maybe he has implants.
and it was my understandng that evenn capitals can be killed by sleepers and they can easaly get a 5k tank.
He didn't necessarily say Sleepers, only 10/10 plexes and bait... ^.^ -
August 27, 2009, 01:44:35 pm
Crewman RecruitReputation: 1
all lv 5 skills are abotu 650 tank dps this 4000+ thing is crap GET A DRAKE! -
August 28, 2009, 01:20:16 am
CommanderReputation: 8
its a specific tank not a omni, and necroaward goes to you
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August 29, 2009, 06:47:41 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
lol and when a pilgrim nuets this watch that tank go way down. -
February 23, 2010, 04:53:44 am
Member 5th Class
Reputation: 0
I tried this tank set up and it stinks a Active tank works much more better. Plus if you want more DPS add a Ballistic Control and a Medium Rigor Rig -
May 06, 2010, 07:49:51 am
Crewman RecruitReputation: 5
It is amazing how many people seriously think you could use that as bait.....sure it works if you can guarantee that ONLY Gallente ships will shoot you to maximize your tanking power....but in a real combat situation I would say your odds of facing a purely Gallente fleet are pretty low. If you bait Caldari, they will switch to EM missiles and 1 ship can kill you, if you bait Amarr, lasers deal EM damage and 1 ship can kill you, if you bait Minmatar, they will switch to EM ammo and 1 ship can kill you. So ultimately, unless you can guarantee whatever noob you are baiting can ONLY deal therm/kin damage and his backup can ONLY deal therm/kin damage, you are throwing away a ridiculously expensive ship. Its fine for PvE if you wanna spend the money, but specific tanks are stupid for PvP. -
July 14, 2010, 10:25:32 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
looks like the tangu that got ganked for 3.3 billion because the DPS sucked -
March 07, 2011, 12:56:30 pm
EnsignReputation: 176
neuts.. neuts will :censored: u in the ass -
July 23, 2011, 05:55:01 am
MemberReputation: 0
my drake tanks 2800~ dps, and is a fraction of the price of this. and my tank doesn't even count implants.
if you want better tank, use thukker tribe shield extenders
Prove it; show me this 2800 dps tanker -
February 09, 2012, 12:08:40 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Has nobody noticed those are LARGE rigs... -
February 19, 2012, 10:21:40 am
CommanderReputation: 65
Has nobody noticed those are LARGE rigs...
Has nobody noticed the post date ?
