Loadout: Faction Passive Shield Ishtar
Faction Passive Shield Ishtar
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Ship fitting - Built on April 4, 2009
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After reviewing the most popular builds for the Ishtar, I noticed a trend. It would seem everyone feels they are best off as passive shield tanks rather than active armor. Seems armor can do the trick, so long as you're fast and nimble, but shields can just float and take a nap?
I saw that ZMaster had a nice build listed, which he claims can solo L5s. However, it requires quite a few very expensive modules. I couldn't help but wonder if it were possible to achieve the same ends without spending quite so much. I really wanted to go no higher than T2 for everything. And it can be done, but fitting just works better if you dabble with a little Faction and Meta 4 as well. This particular fit is aimed at Guristas, because it gives the best effect. But it can easily be reconfigured to deal with Serpentis instead. - Beta SPR are quite expensive, but they do fit better. This can fit the cheaper T2 with the same effect, but then you lose a tractor and salvager. - Caldari Navy passive hardeners are also pretty cheap, compared to the Complex and Commander modules. Again, T2 can work as well, but give about 2% less effect. I had initially planned on using active hardeners as well, but evidently L5 Neut/Nos is... umm... bad for those. =) - T2 Large Extenders, a given. - Small Tractors and Salvagers for cleaning up after the drones. When you're in a drone boat, what else will you be doing? - What's missing, because evidently Battleclinic doesn't have it in their databases... is the Civilian Gatling Railgun. It's the only "active" module onboard, and you'd only need it to draw initial aggro. I know I've used one to draw from 75km out. - Purger I. I did the math using both the T1 and T2, and of course the T2 perform a bit better. But they also cost more than most countries GDP. Using "All Level V" (which is impossible, but illustrates the point)... Guristas (ZMaster's Fit): 1691 Defense, 134135 HP, 588 DPS, 204.75m2 Sig Radius. Serpentis (ZMaster's Fit): 1468 Def, 115318 HP... Guristas (Mine, T1 rigs): 2031 Def, 137135 HP, 475 DPS, 241.04m2 Sig Radius. Guristas (Mine, T2 rigs): 2311 Def... Serpentis (Mine, T1 rigs): 1452 Def, 99020 HP... Serpentis (Mine, T2 rigs): 1652 Def... Sadly, when I had planned on using at least 1 active hardener, the Serp build was well above ZMasters. Since switching to a completely passive setup, it's a wee bit under. So I guess, what I'm wondering is; 1) Is the Defense (DPS tanked) more important, or is the Effective HP? 2) Would the extra 40m2 Sig Radius really be a downfall, given the extra Defense to compensate? 3) Could you solo L5s with 110 less DPS, since his has a couple Autocannons and I'm relying entirely on Drones? |
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April 04, 2009, 06:48:46 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. Class
Reputation: 4
I know the T2 rigs are worth more than several countries GDP pooled together.
That's why I did the math with T1 as well, and that still beats ZMaster's fit.
I'm not trying to put him down in any way, in case anyone should perceive that. As I said, I was just looking for a fit that didn't require so many rare modules.
What about L5s would prevent active hardeners? I know I've heard of Neut/Nos... but this sits stable at 66% (again, with the All Lvl V profile). Even if I drop down to a custom profile of how I'd prefer to be trained for shields without wasting years of my life... it still shows 63%. So do they Neut/Nos that hard?
I'd definately reconsider using the Betas to fit more salvage gear. But I was just trying to see how much I could get for the lowest price tag. The T2 rigs were only there because they make for really big numbers. =D
EDIT: Testing a single Heavy Nos II in EFT, the cap lasts 2min+, so I guess the active wouldn't be worth much in the end after all. Replacing it with a passive still yields 2173 (T2 rigs) or 1910 (T1 rigs). -
April 04, 2009, 06:58:26 pm
Petty Officer 1st. Class
Reputation: 8
have you tried adding another extender in place of the kenetic hardener and make the thermal the active one? i think that would be a wise choice...adding more hp means adding a stronger tank, and kenetic resistance is pretty high; or, add an invul...that might be a nice touch -
April 04, 2009, 08:55:40 pm
Member 5th Class
Reputation: 0
Hi there i've ran 1 level 5 in a passive ishtar and i glad to say i went in completely passive. i was cap out for an extended period of time. So to answer your qestion, they do neut very hard. -
April 05, 2009, 06:21:15 am
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 4
Updated the fit, as well as the OP.
Now it's entirely passive, and I tried to use Caldari hardeners since they fit a wee bit easier and give a wee bit more.
They're still not too terribly expensive usually.
I am however a little disappointed at the Serp performance. At least with the active module on there, the numbers were big and comforting.
- Is there a rough estimate of how much DPS you'd need to tank, and to deal, for L5s?
- And has anyone tested to see if the usual damage profiles for EFT are still accurate? -
April 05, 2009, 08:54:26 am
Master Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 14
I was very surprised about how hard they neut. Those neut towers are deadly! Can't even run a tractor beam intermittently until every one of those things has been popped.
+1, for a good fit and thanks for taking criticism so well and changing up accordingly
Might even swap a resist for another extender on my ishtar.
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April 05, 2009, 09:19:13 am
Crewman
Reputation: 0
i am currently training for Zmaster's NightHawk set up, and would love to hear his input on this (just started, so can still switch) -
April 08, 2009, 04:10:45 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 4
I keep trying to toy with this fitting, hoping to get better Serpentis performance. -
April 08, 2009, 04:42:27 pm
Lieutenant Commander
Reputation: 8
you need a civilian railgun to draw aggro. and yes it can do lvl 5's solo but needs very good passive amps, don't use any active mods because the neut towers will dry you're cap in less then a min -
April 08, 2009, 08:06:00 pm
Member
Reputation: 0
3 (maybe 2) of those towers can keep an abbadon with 8 cap mods (3 CCC's, 3 cap rechargers, 2 CPRs) completely capped out. That's an abbadon that gets over 100 cap/second. Considering that there are almost always neut towers, and that there are almost always 2 or more, you'd best go completely passive.
Unless you enjoy losing expensive ships, that is
EDIT: Also, L5's usually have 1k-2k dps, though I've seen one that apparently has a peak of ~3k. -
April 09, 2009, 07:51:32 am
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 4
"you need a civilian railgun" - unslaught
I mentioned that it did have one, but the Battleclinic interface wouldn't let me search for and add one to the build.
"go passive" - unslaught/hopdude
It is passive. I had originally started out using an active hardener or two, and the numbers were much more impressive. But then others pointed out all the Nos/Neut, and I switched. Now I'm trying to find a -reasonably affordable- way to get better performance.
This fit can tank up to 2k+ DPS against Guristas... but I hear they aren't too common in L5s. So I'm looking to increase the Serp tank. -
May 04, 2009, 08:21:35 am
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 4
Anyone else have ideas on how to make this more useful?
I'd love to find a way to make the Ishtar viable against Exp. But the inherent resists really only allow for Kin/Therm.
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June 04, 2011, 11:41:54 am
Member 1st Class
Reputation: 1
The best way to make an Ishtar viable against explosive is to use a Gila instead.
I know you tried to justify it but you cannot use T2 rigs then moan about the cost of beta power relays :p
By the way, doing level 5's you will not be able to run any active hardeners.
In answer to you questions...
1) If this is a PvE boat Effective HP is almost irrelevant, stick to DPS tanked.
2) Can't really say, but i'd rather keep it down and fit extra resists to achieve a similar tank, never hurts.
3) Yes, I used Z masters fit to run a few level 5's and swapped out the guns for tractor/salvage and a civ rail. As long as you have the drone skill to back it up