Loadout: Turelle's solo Ishkur - The Bane
Turelle's solo Ishkur - The Bane
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Ship fitting - Built on March 21, 2009
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I have seen alot of setups flying around where cap boosters and webs are used.
In my opinion those are not particularly useful in a large number of cases. The cap booster is good if you get neuted or really want to perma run everything (which lets face it, if you need to do that, you're doing something wrong). And the web is only useful if you want the target to be a little bit slower, or for snaring interceptors which get too close. I have been using this for some time now, and while not as effective against missile based ships such as a Caracal/Cerberus or Drake, really put other variations to shame against turret based ships. This will happily take on anything cruiser sized and above, whether it orbits out of web range like a Vagabond, or is up close and personal like a Deimos as they cannot track (piloting skill is needed in case they deliberately lower transversal). Not only are cruisers in your line of fire now, so too are other Assault Frigates and Interceptors. Hit a Wolf with one of these while keeping your speed up and you will quickly chew through him while taking minimal damage. It's weak points are missile ships, neuts (but so it is to most other Frigate sized ships) and Drone boats with plenty of Lights (Vexor, Dominix and Myrmidon come to mind). I would like to add that staying very close and keeping 'under their guns' helps a great deal and should never be underestimated. ___ Cargo - Faction Antimatter S - Null S Drones - 5x Hobgoblin II - 4x Warrior II (5 with Assault Ships 5) ___ Some EFT Numbers if you want them. (They're rounded down for lower skills) Around 220 DPS in total Guns - 120 Drones - 90 O/L Guns - 240 (With Drones) Cap with all running: 1:35 Cap with no rep : Very cap stable (rep is rarely needed as it is) ___ Feel free to comment, criticize and rate. Changes to loadout: I use a True Sansha Energized Reactive Membrane and use either 2 CCC rigs or a mix of RoF and Damage rigs depending on my targets (CCCs for Frigate fights, Hybrid rigs for fighting larger, more resilient targets). |
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March 21, 2009, 08:41:29 amPetty Officer 3rd. Class
Reputation: 0
looks very nice
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March 21, 2009, 08:56:59 am
Commander
Reputation: 65
This is the exact fit I use and I can tell u its solid ^^ -
March 21, 2009, 08:58:26 am
Rear Admiral
Reputation: 495
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March 21, 2009, 01:14:46 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 0
this needs more votes it has to be recognised as one of the best setups if not the best for the ishkur -
March 21, 2009, 01:31:51 pm
Ensign
Reputation: 5
this needs more votes it has to be recognised as one of the best setups if not the best for the ishkur
Agreed.
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March 21, 2009, 02:13:34 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 6
Will be adapting my ishkur to this, awesome
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March 22, 2009, 04:58:26 am
Commander
Reputation: 61
Thanks for the support guys.
I will add that fitting a Burst or Collision rig adds a significant amount of damage to the setup. They're 5-10m apiece but if you're serious about the ship, then well worth the ISK. -
March 24, 2009, 07:45:54 am
CommanderReputation: 61
I have updated my own fit with a Dark Blood Reactive Membrane. It gives a higher resist boost and with compensation skills gets me very close to a T1 hardener level without the CPU and cap problems. -
March 24, 2009, 08:04:08 am
Petty Officer 2nd. Class
Reputation: 0
Show off...
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March 24, 2009, 08:28:33 am
Lieutenant Commander
Reputation: 42
once im able to train assault ships, i am training gally frigate 5 and getting myself one of these little slugger, great fit +1 from me
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March 24, 2009, 08:52:34 am
Petty Officer 1st. Class
Reputation: 0
... <3
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April 21, 2009, 10:30:02 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Quotewhether it orbits out of web range like a Vagabond
Or in scrambler range as this pilot found out today.
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April 21, 2009, 10:34:46 am
Commodore
Reputation: 0
but replace the EANM with a AMARR EANM
THEY ARE CHEAP AS CHIPS -
April 21, 2009, 10:35:14 am
EnsignReputation: 5
If that Vaga pilot isn't crying right now I'd be surprised, damn good work.
I love this ship
EDIT: Oh god no, he put a stab on his Vaga....
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April 21, 2009, 11:09:07 am
Senior Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 2
If that Vaga pilot isn't crying right now I'd be surprised, damn good work.
I love this ship
EDIT: Oh god no, he put a stab on his Vaga....
Too bad this scram is 2 points then
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Imo, AB AFs are a bit slow for my taste, makes actually catching the target luck based. I have more success in MWD + 24km setups.
But thats just how I like to fly AFs ^^. -
April 21, 2009, 11:13:57 am
Fleet Captain
Reputation: 41
Overload more if you can't catch em -
April 21, 2009, 11:31:23 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 2
Overload more if you can't catch em
Even overloaded, you don't gain too much on a scram.
I am not saying it is useless, this fit would be perfect once you are in range of them!
I ma just saying it might be harder to catch somone in it then a MWD + 24km
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April 21, 2009, 11:37:21 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
Maybe you should look tasty
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April 21, 2009, 11:38:43 am
EnsignReputation: 5
Maybe you should look tasty
Yes,swimfly around in circles looking like an injuredfishfrigate and hope they're stupid bastards
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April 21, 2009, 01:54:22 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
nice i will have to give this a try. if you were to rig it what rigs would you use? -
April 21, 2009, 02:09:35 pm
Member 3rd class
Reputation: 0
I will add that fitting a Burst or Collision rig adds a significant amount of damage to the setup. They're 5-10m apiece but if you're serious about the ship, then well worth the ISK.
Hope that answers your question m8 ^^^^
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April 21, 2009, 03:45:11 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
I had a little look today at Gistii B-Type ABs. They give you about an extra 60m/s or so which will help a lot against ships with webs and/or ABs.
They're about 10m ISK but you have choose between this or the damage rig. For now i'll go with a damage rig but might consider swapping it for the AB when I get acceleration control 5 (max speed is around 970 with it). -
April 21, 2009, 05:16:50 pm
Master Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 2
I bow to this setup! i now know to keep my wolf and jag away from ishkurs
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April 22, 2009, 12:13:27 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
lol cheers and im going to start useing this setup.I will add that fitting a Burst or Collision rig adds a significant amount of damage to the setup. They're 5-10m apiece but if you're serious about the ship, then well worth the ISK.
Hope that answers your question m8 ^^^^I bow to this setup!
all frigs should keep clear of an ishkur. i now know to keep my wolf and jag away from ishkurs -
April 25, 2009, 01:59:25 am
CommanderReputation: 65
no.
EVERYTHING should keep clear of the ishkur -
April 25, 2009, 03:47:44 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
no.
EVERYTHING should keep clear of the ishkur
Even Megathrons. -
April 25, 2009, 04:30:19 am
EnsignReputation: 5
no.
EVERYTHING should keep clear of the ishkur
Even Megathrons.
ESPECIALLY Megathrons. -
April 25, 2009, 09:06:33 am
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Reputation: 4
Awesome :-) -
April 28, 2009, 09:53:06 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 56
Awesome ft, I will be flying this in 18 hours with this exact fit.
And whoever gave this a neg rate, you're an idiot, and a troll. -
April 28, 2009, 10:06:45 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Ok, so I reviewed my fit and my engagements.
I'm now wondering how a set of pirate implants will help.
The one i'm most considering is a set of halos. Perhaps coupled with a low grade X-Instinct (synth or standard). But I have also considered snakes or slaves.
I'll put my observations down here.
Halos: Reduce Sig radius from 39 to 30.93. I don't know how good that is, but doesn't seem like a lot. However, against cruisers and larger, including medium/heavy drones this may be the key to surviving. I don't expect them to work on their own, but rather in conjunction with the tracking disruptor. NOTE: These are the cheapest at around 600-800m
Snakes: Increase my speed from 888 to1108. However due the typical range I engage at, the boost will most likely not be that much.
Slaves: Increase armor HP from 1062 to 1631. That's a decent buffer and may give me more time to eliminate drones etc. However they're by FAR the most expensive, and I doubt i'll be able to afford the whole set.
Thoughts?
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April 28, 2009, 11:30:07 am
CommanderReputation: 65
Halo`s are most likely the best.
I ran a test with Halo`s and heavy missiles usually hitting for 70 before were hitting for 50 after which is a huge diffrence with a buffer like this -
April 28, 2009, 12:07:03 pm
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
Use a bigger ship if you want slaves -
May 01, 2009, 01:38:40 am
Member 2nd Class
Reputation: 0
this is practically the exact settup i use other than i use neutrons rather than ions it hits a lil harder and i normly use hobs rather than hammers and i use one kmb-50 implant and this thing hasnt seen pvp action yet althought i am itching to use it -
May 01, 2009, 01:39:28 am
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
and has 1 ancillary circuit -
May 01, 2009, 09:14:27 am
CommanderReputation: 61
this is practically the exact settup i use other than i use neutrons rather than ions it hits a lil harder and i normly use hobs rather than hammers and i use one kmb-50 implant and this thing hasnt seen pvp action yet althought i am itching to use it
Ions have better tracking. Also I expect you can similiar DPS if you use a hybrid collision/burst rig.
I now have mine fit with a Gistii B-Type 1mn AB, Dark Blood Reactive Membrane Hybrid Collision Rig. Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler coming soon.
I love my Ishkur
NOTE: They come at about 50-60m a piece. More if you count the DG Warp Scrambler. -
May 01, 2009, 10:44:06 am
CommanderReputation: 65
no DG scram yet ?
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May 01, 2009, 11:57:51 am
Senior Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 2
As for implants, I am more inclined to the Snakes. More speed is nice. Should migitage some damage as well. As for mitigating more damage then the Haloes, I am unsure of.
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May 06, 2009, 07:15:27 am
Member 5th Class
Reputation: 0
I just fit this loadout last night. Only i had to go with Modal Light Ion Partical Accelerators 1's for a few more days because I won't be into T2 Ions for another 3 days.
I couldn't find a fight for it last night so I played around with it ratting some and it's very fun to fly. I can't wait to test it out for real. -
May 14, 2009, 10:49:07 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
i think that this setup could be made much better by switching the ERMII with a named equivilent and adding on a drone speed aug and a tracking diag subroutines, increasing the speed of the drones and the effectiveness of your disruption for only around 10mil -
May 14, 2009, 10:50:19 am
CommanderReputation: 65
i think that this setup could be made much better by switching the ERMII with a named equivilent and adding on a drone speed aug and a tracking diag subroutines, increasing the speed of the drones and the effectiveness of your disruption for only around 10mil
no.
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May 14, 2009, 03:42:27 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
i think that this setup could be made much better by switching the ERMII with a named equivilent and adding on a drone speed aug and a tracking diag subroutines, increasing the speed of the drones and the effectiveness of your disruption for only around 10mil
Firstly, why would I need to increase the drone speed? My warriors go 6.3km/s which are enough to put even the fastest interceptor off engaging.
The tracking disruption rig however, maybe. It does only add about 2% which doesn't really warrant it's cost though imo. -
May 14, 2009, 05:37:59 pm
CaptainReputation: 144
Hmm, I would go Halo's without a doubt. Mark was right mentioning Slaves really require the HP to be effective.
I have been using a Halo clone for my logistics recently and I have been more than moderately pleased with the results, I do not doubt they will be as effective when flying AB based AF's. -
May 20, 2009, 10:59:08 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Hi, with the tracking disruptor, wich script you use ? Or you let the module w/o charge ? -
May 20, 2009, 11:09:34 am
EnsignReputation: 5
Hi, with the tracking disruptor, wich script you use ? Or you let the module w/o charge ?
Since it's a close-range ship, you'll want tracking speed, since lowering his optimal range would actually help him hit you harder. -
May 20, 2009, 11:11:28 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
yeah the optimal range scripts are not worth it as a sensor damp will do a better job. -
May 20, 2009, 11:54:40 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Hi, with the tracking disruptor, wich script you use ? Or you let the module w/o charge ?
It depends largely on the ship and guns. I use Tracking speed against most large targets as it helps me the most. Including some longer range AFs (~10km), although it depends on the situation and if I want to force them closer or to be at range doing minimal damage.
Optimal range for short range AFs. Due to the nature of this ship I can orbit at around 7km doing full damage with the drones and decent amount with the turrets. AC and Blaster AFs will really struggle to hit at that range with their optimal range lowered.
NOTE: Optimal range can and will force interceptors closer. They either go for it or run. Either is favorable for me
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June 06, 2009, 12:49:23 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Can anyone help me fit this? Here is my current idea: This fits only with a Squire PG8(And I must switch out the AB with a Cold Gas). Otherwise my power is 54.41/52.5. I can make it work if I put in a Light Election II. But my dps and volley drop to 181/275. From 184/314.
[Ishkur, Turelle's solo Ishkur - The Bane]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane I
1MN Afterburner II
Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
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June 06, 2009, 01:08:33 pm
Petty Officer 2nd. ClassReputation: 0
if you have to downgrade the guns to make it work, thats fine. your only losing 3 dps...
so, fit electrons for now then train up your fitting skills. (weapon upgrades, engineering, advanced weapon upgrades, etc.) -
June 22, 2009, 08:35:44 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Fitting electrons shouldn't be a major problem if you really can't fit ions. Electrons also have very good tracking and can take out drones with little trouble, something the Ions sometimes struggle with.
I have recently been contemplating fitting a Probe launcher when I get my skills up a bit (and learn how to do it fast). Although the two problems i'm faced with is a severe drop in DPS, or cap instability. I may still go for it at some point because I find alot of people in plexes/missions and SS, being able to probe them out while also having the luxury of killing them in relative safety greatly appeals to me
Thoughts? -
June 22, 2009, 09:25:41 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 18
Fitting electrons shouldn't be a major problem if you really can't fit ions. Electrons also have very good tracking and can take out drones with little trouble, something the Ions sometimes struggle with.
You'll only be able to fit a core probe launcher so no probing people in safes or missions. Should work decently for killing in plexes though.
I have recently been contemplating fitting a Probe launcher when I get my skills up a bit (and learn how to do it fast). Although the two problems i'm faced with is a severe drop in DPS, or cap instability. I may still go for it at some point because I find alot of people in plexes/missions and SS, being able to probe them out while also having the luxury of killing them in relative safety greatly appeals to me
Thoughts? -
June 22, 2009, 09:51:04 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 4
Why can't I put +10? lol -
June 22, 2009, 01:28:03 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
get an alt in a cov ops or ewar frig todo the scanning. -
June 23, 2009, 07:34:35 am
CommanderReputation: 61
get an alt in a cov ops or ewar frig todo the scanning.
I don't play with two accounts.
a) I don't have the ISK/money
b) It's not true soloing
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July 05, 2009, 10:22:50 am
Member 4th Class
Reputation: 0
This setup is one of my very favorite ships in the game I fly solo with this all the time and I love hunting rifters
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July 31, 2009, 06:11:05 pm
Member 4th ClassReputation: 0
Do you use rigs on this? or would it hurt it more than help it? -
August 01, 2009, 01:27:12 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Do you use rigs on this? or would it hurt it more than help it?
I personally use one Hybrid Collision Accelerator. Although it may be possible to fit 2.
When the rig changes come out I'll have another look at it as my DPS is more than enough to kill most things I engage. -
August 03, 2009, 04:46:49 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
baby i can feel your HALOOooOoO.. nah ust kidding.
Have you ever met an enyo in your ishkur? Considering that the enyo has a bit more dps but without drones and that it can pop your drones very fast with 4 small blasters and thereby lowering your dps by half?
Im just wondering... im training gallente frig V now and ive got an ishkur and enyo waiting for me in my hangar. -
August 03, 2009, 08:52:01 am
CommanderReputation: 61
baby i can feel your HALOOooOoO.. nah ust kidding.
Drones are not my primary source of DPS. If the Enyo went for my drones and tracking speed wasn't having any effect, I would bring them back, load Null, use optimal range scripts and orbit around 5k.
Have you ever met an enyo in your ishkur? Considering that the enyo has a bit more dps but without drones and that it can pop your drones very fast with 4 small blasters and thereby lowering your dps by half?
Im just wondering... im training gallente frig V now and ive got an ishkur and enyo waiting for me in my hangar.
Generally the tracking speed script is enough to keep them pretty safe. But if he does go for them I can either use the above tactic or just leave them. Seeing as I have 9 (soon to be 10) drones in total, he's quite likely to be dead quite quickly. But in all honesty, I'd prefer to keep them safe and orbit out of his range. -
August 16, 2009, 10:22:19 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
How about Remote Sensor Dampners? Tracking Disruptor doesnt work on missiles and damper does. Fitting isnt a problem either. -
August 16, 2009, 10:53:44 am
CommanderReputation: 61
How about Remote Sensor Dampners? Tracking Disruptor doesnt work on missiles and damper does. Fitting isnt a problem either.
A remote sensor dampener will only help me in the beginning of the fight and make it harder for them to get my drones. As such RSDs will be more or less useless for solo and small gang work. I am aware of course that TD's don't work on missile boats, and I use my own discretion on which missile boats to engage. -
August 16, 2009, 04:07:59 pm
CaptainReputation: 144
baby i can feel your HALOOooOoO.. nah ust kidding.
Drones are not my primary source of DPS. If the Enyo went for my drones and tracking speed wasn't having any effect, I would bring them back, load Null, use optimal range scripts and orbit around 5k.
Have you ever met an enyo in your ishkur? Considering that the enyo has a bit more dps but without drones and that it can pop your drones very fast with 4 small blasters and thereby lowering your dps by half?
Im just wondering... im training gallente frig V now and ive got an ishkur and enyo waiting for me in my hangar.
Generally the tracking speed script is enough to keep them pretty safe. But if he does go for them I can either use the above tactic or just leave them. Seeing as I have 9 (soon to be 10) drones in total, he's quite likely to be dead quite quickly. But in all honesty, I'd prefer to keep them safe and orbit out of his range.
Add the blaster damage of the Ishkur to the drone damage and tbh the Enyo wont be around long enough to threaten more than a couple of drones. Especially if you use warrior II's.
Enyo is a good, cheap PvE boat but tbh I dont rate it anywhere near as highly as an Ishkur in PvP, which in my opinion is the most versatile and most deadly AF out there bar none... and I fly them all...
The little green grasshopper is easily the best in its class, so long as you fit it well. -
August 20, 2009, 01:31:50 pm
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
Several things.
Firstly thank you for this epic fit, I have been using it for a while now with great success.
Secondly about the rigs, with AWU IV and hybrid weapon rigging III I am able to squeeze a burst aereator and a collision accelerator onto this Ishkur fitting (by .38)! With the new patch this will become very cheap to buy and it raises the DPS by about 20. -
September 07, 2009, 08:40:24 am
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
New patch = RIGS ARE A MUST!! Awesome fit! +1!! -
September 07, 2009, 11:10:00 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Aye, I agree that rigs are a must now and pretty much any ship. Personally I think it's a shame as I always saw rigs designed for Battleships or for those with the ISK. However it does add some more diversity as you can't predict what ships are fit with as much as before.
As for rigs, I've been flying with CCCs recently. Mainly because I've been hunting other AFs where if I make a mistake I will need to run the modules as long as possible till I can get myself out of the problem. The CCCs have saved me a fair few times especially when engaging ships fit with neuts (unless you react quickly, they will kill you very fast and CCC's increase the time you have). -
September 08, 2009, 01:28:09 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
^^^ wow, I never thought i'd see the day that CCC's would actually be recommended for PvP, haha! That's one of the cool things about these new rigs, is that they open up some pretty diverse options. I've just put together one of these bad boys, now that i can finally fly them, yeah! -
September 08, 2009, 06:21:21 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
As for rigs, I've been flying with CCCs recently.
Use SMCs instead -
September 10, 2009, 02:29:49 pm
Member 3rd classReputation: 0
[Ishkur, pvp]
Small Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II X2
The fit I'm gonna use. It has enough room to fit a MWD or AB, whatever you feel like. Plus, it has room for T2 stuff. Reason for the web is because if an Inty or any other frig (My 8.5 sec align time Tristan can go faster) turns on their AB, you are powerless to get them.
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September 10, 2009, 02:49:03 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
The fit I'm gonna use. It has enough room to fit a MWD or AB, whatever you feel like. Plus, it has room for T2 stuff. Reason for the web is because if an Inty or any other frig (My 8.5 sec align time Tristan can go faster) turns on their AB, you are powerless to get them.
Yes, you are vulnerable to ships with AB and web, but tbh that's never really stopped me from winning. Most people I fight want to fight back, even if it does take a little nudge and so I can generally play with them to keep them at my desired range.
If they get away they get away. If it's them being able to control range there's a few tricks out there that you'll learn. -
September 10, 2009, 04:54:45 pm
Petty Officer 3rd. ClassReputation: 1
HAUT
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September 14, 2009, 12:05:52 pm
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
+1
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September 17, 2009, 03:56:48 am
Crewman Recruit
Reputation: 2
Hmmm, you know, the Ishkur is study for the drones.... This is the Enyo that is study for turrets
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September 26, 2009, 01:56:06 am
CommanderReputation: 65
somethign I`d reccomend turelle now I`ve got mine back out. is getting a coreli C-type plating.
you drop o.6% resists all round but free up enough cpu to upgrade the scram to t2 and you can also upgrade your nos and rep to corpi and the good rep equiv. they only cost about 10mins plexing in the ihskur
still using this setup and survived a test against a navythron last night. just to see if I could run ab and scram after heavy neuts and wasrriors were hitting me
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September 26, 2009, 03:24:34 am
CommanderReputation: 61
somethign I`d reccomend turelle now I`ve got mine back out. is getting a coreli C-type plating.
Faint Epsilon has the same range as T2, uses less cap and can be overloaded for about a minute longer. Still want to 'upgrade'?
you drop o.6% resists all round but free up enough cpu to upgrade the scram to t2 and you can also upgrade your nos and rep to corpi and the good rep equiv. they only cost about 10mins plexing in the ihskurQuotestill using this setup and survived a test against a navythron last night. just to see if I could run ab and scram after heavy neuts and wasrriors were hitting me
Heavy neuts just suck your cap once every 20 odd seconds, the nos is enough to bring it back up after each cycle. It's small and mediums you gotta be careful of ^^ -
September 26, 2009, 03:40:43 am
CommanderReputation: 65
how dare ccp trick me into buying another warp scram II !!!!
but I would still reccomend upgrading the nos and rep since it only costs a smige of isk to do and the extra noss`ing range is always good for those odd ships that like to orbit just outside normal nos range -
October 01, 2009, 07:23:38 am
Member 5th ClassReputation: 0
Hi, I'm a 2 month old noob and working my way to this fit. Problem is when I try to fit this in EFT i'm missing some CPU (189/178). What's wrong with me !?!. Thx
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October 01, 2009, 07:29:03 am
Captain
Reputation: 126
train electronics to 4 or 5 and you'll have it no problem. -
October 01, 2009, 07:33:00 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Hi, I'm a 2 month old noob and working my way to this fit. Problem is when I try to fit this in EFT i'm missing some CPU (189/178). What's wrong with me
Weapon Upgrades 5, Electronics 5 should give you enough CPU to fit it. !?!. Thx
Also a True Sansha Energized Reactive Membrane should free up some CPU too. -
October 06, 2009, 01:52:02 am
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
Very nice setup! Didnt fare so well against a myrm with twin webbers and warrior'2 + autocannons. That hurt! Damn bastid had webbing drones too, besides his twin webbers... -
October 06, 2009, 04:41:09 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Very nice setup! Didnt fare so well against a myrm with twin webbers and warrior'2 + autocannons. That hurt! Damn bastid had webbing drones too, besides his twin webbers...
All he was missing was the neut by the sound of it
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October 06, 2009, 07:58:10 am
Member 2nd ClassReputation: 0
Heh, yah he did
How you tackle myrms? -
October 06, 2009, 09:28:54 am
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October 06, 2009, 12:35:08 pm
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Great advice if I ever heard it. and a +1 for a great fit!
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October 06, 2009, 10:34:23 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 14
This seriously should be stuck onto the front of the loadout page. I hope you still use this Turelle =P -
October 07, 2009, 02:27:49 am
CommanderReputation: 65
I`m sure he does
since it is a whipass fit in 1v1`s
I`ve only lost mine to blobs, and when we takcled a brutix and he brought in a myrm friend
but I may still buy another one at some point -
October 07, 2009, 04:55:17 am
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2 neutz, 2 (i believe) electrons/ 3 electrons 1 neut
ab, small cap booster, scram
repper, dmg control, eanm
trimarks
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October 07, 2009, 10:53:00 am
CommanderReputation: 61
This seriously should be stuck onto the front of the loadout page. I hope you still use this Turelle =P
I have a small fleet of the little buggers matebut I may still buy another one at some point
Do eet! If you don't mind losing a fair bit of sec status I'll take you up on the offer of doing a few roams in them.2 neutz, 2 (i believe) electrons/ 3 electrons 1 neut
Yeah, that's like the antichrist for frigates
ab, small cap booster, scram
repper, dmg control, eanm
trimarks
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October 07, 2009, 01:08:10 pm
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Do eet! If you don't mind losing a fair bit of sec status I'll take you up on the offer of doing a few roams in them.
If MINA pulls out I'll take you up on that in 2 weeks when I finish my training
...Wait, make that 3 weeks since I still need Hull upgrades V... -
October 08, 2009, 02:58:00 am
CommanderReputation: 65
I`ma buy another one just do to some roams
my sec status is to high after carebearing for plex`s
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October 12, 2009, 08:30:12 am
CaptainReputation: 126
update it with rigs you ph00l! lol -
October 12, 2009, 02:05:05 pm
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like the fit i am going to try it out soon 0.o
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October 28, 2009, 10:51:40 am
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So... I was wondering how you fly this thing. Do you just get up as close as you can and use your drones and blasters? If you do, how do you ever get into blaster range if someone has a web? Even a cruiser with a web and AB will be faster than you. And if someone is faster, then they can just get out of range and warp off!
Can someone please give me a little explanation about what to do with it? -
October 28, 2009, 04:47:56 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
So... I was wondering how you fly this thing. Do you just get up as close as you can and use your drones and blasters? If you do, how do you ever get into blaster range if someone has a web? Even a cruiser with a web and AB will be faster than you. And if someone is faster, then they can just get out of range and warp off!
Well I generally start by pressing the Orbit button and then turning on my guns on so they go pew pew pew.
Can someone please give me a little explanation about what to do with it?
But in all seriousness, there's no straight forward way to fly this as it depends on the target/s.
Tbh, if the Cruiser is faster than me I'd be more worried about them being able to negate the TD than escaping. In fact if I see someone pulling range I will most likely be preparing to make my own escape if I can't hold and tank them.
Get out there in a Rifter or another Frigate and practice. Ask corp mates to give you a few live fire sessions to test out a variety of scenarios or use the test server. Seeded items and you don't have to worry if they 'forget' to turn their guns off! -
October 28, 2009, 08:05:05 pm
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
hey hey, people do forget to disengage guns -
November 01, 2009, 01:32:53 am
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yup lost alot of goood corp mates that way.and my pod to a corpies smart bomb. -
December 01, 2009, 03:34:47 pm
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This is really cool. I have bee trying to figure out whether i should get an Ishkur then upgrade to an Ishtar, or Enyo then upgrade to a Phobos. Can someone tell me what is better? -
December 01, 2009, 06:33:56 pm
CaptainReputation: 126
ishtar. if in 0.0 it's handy to have a phobos around though -
December 08, 2009, 02:29:49 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
yeah for sure the ishkur/ishtar are better and the prices are not that diferent atm. although this might change real soon. -
December 08, 2009, 05:19:29 am
CaptainReputation: 126
why would the prices change? the only thing i can think of is the new mineral stuff ccp is going to do, or maybe that's just hear-say -
December 08, 2009, 05:25:13 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
what with r64 changes. -
December 08, 2009, 07:55:37 am
CommanderReputation: 65
yeh prices will soon rocket up i think so grab t2 while you can guys
am I rite in saying that production time on t2 and t3 are increasing drastically meaning there will be less ships for demand, which in turn will cause prices to rise because the builders can get away with charging us alot more -
December 08, 2009, 08:07:55 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
i believe so yes. and if the new most sought after moon products are what everyone says there gunna be then the prices will get even higher. -
December 12, 2009, 03:55:33 am
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Sorry this fit will fail against alot of other AF's without the web if they are fitted correctly. However this fit will be just fine against anything bigger (used something like this to take down a Cane solo but it was not easy).
one of your bottom rigs has to be a CCC in my view -
December 12, 2009, 06:48:12 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Sorry this fit will fail against alot of other AF's without the web if they are fitted correctly. However this fit will be just fine against anything bigger (used something like this to take down a Cane solo but it was not easy).
Heh, funny that seeing as I seem to beat most of the turret based AFs I fight.
one of your bottom rigs has to be a CCC in my view
The lack of web is a problem in some cases, but only if you plan to use the orbit buttons and wait till it's over.
If you had read the OP you would see that I do in fact use 2 CCC rigs. -
December 14, 2009, 10:35:35 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
lol this will ruin most assault frigs. tracking disrupt them so they strugle to hit your drones then you have it made. 5 warrior or hobgoblin 2s will kill most assault frigs. -
December 25, 2009, 05:10:05 am
CommanderReputation: 65
Sorry this fit will fail against alot of other AF's without the web if they are fitted correctly. However this fit will be just fine against anything bigger (used something like this to take down a Cane solo but it was not easy).
one of your bottom rigs has to be a CCC in my view
no it wont
this fit rapes all if used correctly. and if you had troubles killing a cane in one of these you clearly are not using it correctly.
it doesnt take rocket sience to do, most ishkurs can solo anything out there. the exceptions are things like anti frig boats such as dessys,domi`s, myrms and vexors but even then if you use the right tactics you can win -
January 06, 2010, 04:59:08 am
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i got a question about the tracking disruptor. i tried it on frigs and it had little to no effect at all, i tried both scripts. Do i miss something here?
Also, wouldnt a small neut be better then a NOS? -
January 06, 2010, 08:14:01 am
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
no as you are after cap stability trying to keep your cap up if the enemy BS fits a nuet. and all small guns have exellent tracking thats probably why. -
January 06, 2010, 08:36:07 am
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i thought a NOS only drains cap, if the targets cap is lower then my own. So the Nos will only work after an extending amount of time, depending on the targets cap no? -
January 07, 2010, 12:42:45 am
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Quotei got a question about the tracking disruptor. i tried it on frigs and it had little to no effect at all, i tried both scripts. Do i miss something here?
Both scripts can render most frigates useless. You just have to know what range and even speed to orbit depending their ship and the weapon system.QuoteAlso, wouldnt a small neut be better then a NOS?
No. The TD, rep and AB wont run in the natural recharge. So a nos to help when I'm having to pop Drones for example is much more useful than a Neut. If I were to use a neut, the cap booster fit Ishkur would be more appropriate.Quotei thought a NOS only drains cap, if the targets cap is lower then my own. So the Nos will only work after an extending amount of time, depending on the targets cap no?
The nos only drains capacitor when the targets capacitor levels are below your own (% wise). When I'm having to use the nos, i'm having to use the rep amongst most of the other modules which puts my cap below theirs. Now that it's below theirs, my small nos is effectively a small neut. Sometimes I will deliberately keep myself around 2-5% cap for this purpose. -
January 07, 2010, 06:37:01 am
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great fit and great author...thanks Turelle =) -
January 07, 2010, 03:00:19 pm
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Unfortunately this fit was nerfed with dominion, the ship is alot slower now, but still works.
Took me some time to skill and I am using a more low-tech version, but today I had a little run-in with a drake which we had to cancel because me and the other pilot couldn't dish out enough damage to actually kill each other, but then I got a wolf and it was just amazing how quickly I chewed that one up. This fit is fun! -
January 08, 2010, 04:13:11 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Unfortunately this fit was nerfed with dominion, the ship is alot slower now, but still works.
I was using this fit well before Dominion, and Apocrypha. It's probably been about... 18 months since I first drafted this.
Took me some time to skill and I am using a more low-tech version, but today I had a little run-in with a drake which we had to cancel because me and the other pilot couldn't dish out enough damage to actually kill each other, but then I got a wolf and it was just amazing how quickly I chewed that one up. This fit is fun!
Btw, if you can't kill someone, and he can't kill you, just ransom him for something small. It's better than going away with nothing but aggression countdown. -
January 08, 2010, 01:07:36 pm
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The nerf came with oblivion, I am pretty sure about this. And the run in with the drake... It was all quite friendly, we just had a laugh, waved goodbye and went our ways.
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January 09, 2010, 08:43:35 am
CommanderReputation: 61
The nerf came with oblivion, I am pretty sure about this. And the run in with the drake... It was all quite friendly, we just had a laugh, waved goodbye and went our ways.
Heh, well I guess I'm obviously too cold to allow a perfectly good target escape.
Remind me when the expansion 'Oblivion' was? I don't know the name, and as I said, since I first drafted this fit, it hasn't been affected by any nerf or boost whatsoever afaik. -
March 03, 2010, 03:44:41 pm
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Took out two harbingers in quick succession, before losing to a curse. Such a fantastic ship. +1 -
March 21, 2010, 09:13:18 am
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win!, using this now!!! -
March 26, 2010, 11:17:01 pm
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just got me hands on an Ishkur, and now I have the fit. +1 -
April 25, 2010, 05:44:12 pm
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2 questions what rigs exactly? and what ammo and scripts did you use? -
May 14, 2010, 11:02:05 pm
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ammo is faction antimatter s. scripts are optimal range disruption when approaching and tracking disruption when orbiting at close range. -
May 16, 2010, 12:22:24 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
2 questions what rigs exactly? and what ammo and scripts did you use?
I use 2 CCCs on mine. It allows me greater freedom against neuts on BCs/Cruisers and means I can last longer against other Frigs while I try to get them where they can't hurt me.
If you want extra damage, you can't go wrong with collision rigs though.
The scripts I use depend on what my target is. What they're using, and what kind of position I'm on. Practice on sisi if you're worried about losing it on TQ. -
May 17, 2010, 08:51:57 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 29
I'm kind going through a phase of throwing active hardeners on my pvp ships (as I can overheat them and drop an exile pill in a myrm, for instance), and considering you only plug exp dmg with a reactive membrane, would a t2 exp hardener be a consideration with the ccc-rigged ishkur? Good cap skills could make it work well, and the fitting isn't much more challenging cpu-wise.
I also find I lose to close range damage wolf fits, as they can kite me, they like firing emp and the em hole is quite dangerous; I've been considering refitting for the http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/32441-Ishkur-Super-Kiting-Nano.html ship, but I don't want to give up on blasters just yet :s -
May 18, 2010, 04:21:08 am
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I'm kind going through a phase of throwing active hardeners on my pvp ships (as I can overheat them and drop an exile pill in a myrm, for instance), and considering you only plug exp dmg with a reactive membrane, would a t2 exp hardener be a consideration with the ccc-rigged ishkur? Good cap skills could make it work well, and the fitting isn't much more challenging cpu-wise.
Use optimal range on the wolf and keep close to the edge of scram range. If they use arty, use tracking speed and go close.
I also find I lose to close range damage wolf fits, as they can kite me, they like firing emp and the em hole is quite dangerous; I've been considering refitting for the http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/32441-Ishkur-Super-Kiting-Nano.html ship, but I don't want to give up on blasters just yet :s
Fitting an active hardener on this would not be effective in the least. Sure, you get more resists. But the cap it uses it too high for something this size. A faction membrane (3m each) and the compensation skill at 5 gives it 50% resistance. Hardeners on large ships such as the Myrm can easily handle it though since they have a lot more cap. -
May 21, 2010, 05:09:04 am
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Thanks for the advice turelle; those tactics saved me from a small rifter gang out in null. -
September 04, 2010, 03:26:26 pm
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i love it ... 15 solo kills on one afternoon in minmatar low ... -
September 04, 2010, 03:26:33 pm
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i love it ... 15 solo kills on one afternoon in minmatar low ... -
September 06, 2010, 09:04:00 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 29
The fit I'm gonna use. It has enough room to fit a MWD or AB, whatever you feel like. Plus, it has room for T2 stuff. Reason for the web is because if an Inty or any other frig (My 8.5 sec align time Tristan can go faster) turns on their AB, you are powerless to get them.
Yes, you are vulnerable to ships with AB and web, but tbh that's never really stopped me from winning. Most people I fight want to fight back, even if it does take a little nudge and so I can generally play with them to keep them at my desired range.
If they get away they get away. If it's them being able to control range there's a few tricks out there that you'll learn.
Okay turelle, what are these tactics -- I'm tired of running away from jags and dramiels
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September 22, 2010, 04:36:20 pm
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I'm curious why the ERM II instead of the EANM II? is it the 6 cpu difference?
EDIT: nevermind.... just figured it out. armor explosive resistance is only 10%.
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September 22, 2010, 05:19:50 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
I'm curious why the ERM II instead of the EANM II? is it the 6 cpu difference?
No, it's to plug the exp hole. I actually use a TS ERM, with comps 5 it's basically a T1 hardener (50%).QuoteOkay turelle, what are these tactics -- I'm tired of running away from jags and dramiels
I haven't flown this much at all recently. Haven't fought against a Dramiel expect in my Rifter. From what I can see of this ship, your best bet is to use Optimal Range Script and wait for him to get bored and bugger off. Even if he does come in scram range then it's still going to tricky.
As for the tactics, go and find some 1v1 frig fights, whether against corpies, in low sec or wherever. I learnt the basics of it from just flying it on SISI and a little googling
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November 18, 2010, 04:15:23 am
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I LOVE THIS FIT!!
I was thinking if i really had to buy an ishkur and fit it this way, so i just did it, i undocked from station and it immidiatly payed of!
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11732749
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November 19, 2010, 06:19:14 pm
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yup. best ishkur on here hands down. -
November 22, 2010, 04:34:37 pm
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can I ask a question? why doesn't he just use neutrons and forget about the nos? doesn't really help much and neutrons have a greater range and damage. -
November 22, 2010, 04:38:41 pm
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can I ask a question? why doesn't he just use neutrons and forget about the nos? doesn't really help much and neutrons have a greater range and damage.
Nos allows me to keep in the fight. There is a small increase in damage/range with neutrons, it's not worth using them over the nos.
If I have to fight in close the rep is likely being used and I'll cap out in seconds without the nos running. -
November 22, 2010, 04:47:28 pm
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I see well I still +1ed it
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December 03, 2010, 05:23:07 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 29
Is the dominance of the ishkur set to topple with the rocket un-nerf? My record on sisi says otherwise, but then again I haven't got many sparring partners who specialise in rockets... -
December 03, 2010, 05:56:55 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
Is the dominance of the ishkur set to topple with the rocket un-nerf? My record on sisi says otherwise, but then again I haven't got many sparring partners who specialise in rockets...
Dont fight rocket ships, you're good to go.
Did a test against a Vengence (not even T2 rockets or great supports), and if he'd had a web, I'd be dead. -
January 01, 2011, 08:22:55 am
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A probarlo !!! -
January 04, 2011, 05:38:08 pm
CaptainReputation: 144
Is the dominance of the ishkur set to topple with the rocket un-nerf? My record on sisi says otherwise, but then again I haven't got many sparring partners who specialise in rockets...
As Turelle said, not great supports, not T2 rocket skills, had the Vengeance had a web (I fit a TD, not a mistake I would make again), this Ishkur would have gone down. I have improved them since then!
Will it work? Yes it will, against a wide variety of ships, but its weak against others also.
Its a ship that takes skill to fly, having seen Turelle fly it against a wide variety of ship types I can attest to that. If you know your targets, and you choose the fights, you will win. But if you ignore the weaknesses of the ship, you will die....
Don't go against AC Canes for example... or, rocket Vengeances! -
January 05, 2011, 06:42:00 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 29
Don't go against AC Canes for example...
...why? They rely on guns, the pilots generally vomit their drones out asap and leave them to die (or have a nice hammerhead and 4 hobgob mix that dies easy) and so are vulnerable to a small ship that can td them... I'd have thought this ishkur is ideal for taking down the average ac cane, unless you are talking about a poorly tanked armour and ab one that has found room for tracking mods and maybe dual web -- and with the rarity of fits like that, I'm wiling to take my chances.
But yes, it seems the way to take down one of the better missile ships (a group the vengeance has recently joined) solo is just to be generally bigger. -
January 09, 2011, 04:00:02 am
CommanderReputation: 65
Don't go against AC Canes for example...
...why? They rely on guns, the pilots generally vomit their drones out asap and leave them to die (or have a nice hammerhead and 4 hobgob mix that dies easy) and so are vulnerable to a small ship that can td them... I'd have thought this ishkur is ideal for taking down the average ac cane, unless you are talking about a poorly tanked armour and ab one that has found room for tracking mods and maybe dual web -- and with the rarity of fits like that, I'm wiling to take my chances.
But yes, it seems the way to take down one of the better missile ships (a group the vengeance has recently joined) solo is just to be generally bigger.
been a while since ive been on EvE, but the last times i was on and engaged an autocane it was akward to say the least, pilot was oviously used to flying a cane which didnt help, the only saving grace that kept me alive was instead of a web he had a disruptor aswell as scrambler, but because the canes so agile and naturally fast getting into manouvers to keep up with him can be difficult due to lack of web on the ishkur, and even with a td, those ac`s hurt when trying to get back in range -
January 16, 2011, 11:05:03 pm
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fits like this are the reason i compulsively put smartbombs on all my ships -
January 23, 2011, 03:17:26 am
CommanderReputation: 65
fits like this are the reason i compulsively put smartbombs on all my ships
quotes like this are what makes me want to fly next to you while your fighting -
February 02, 2011, 05:09:10 pm
CaptainReputation: 144
Don't go against AC Canes for example...
...why? They rely on guns, the pilots generally vomit their drones out asap and leave them to die (or have a nice hammerhead and 4 hobgob mix that dies easy) and so are vulnerable to a small ship that can td them... I'd have thought this ishkur is ideal for taking down the average ac cane, unless you are talking about a poorly tanked armour and ab one that has found room for tracking mods and maybe dual web -- and with the rarity of fits like that, I'm wiling to take my chances.
But yes, it seems the way to take down one of the better missile ships (a group the vengeance has recently joined) solo is just to be generally bigger.
I know Turelle is a good pilot, seen him fly lots, tested this fit out lots. Now, I do have almost maxed gunnery skills, but I basically one shotted him in an AC cane. Good tracking at all ranges, and punch in the weak resists.
As I said, this ship is weak against some stuff, damned strong against others. Its a bloody good fit, but you do have to know what you are fighting and pick your targets.
Same with anything really. -
March 24, 2011, 09:57:03 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 131
+10 for the only ishkur i ever bother using -
March 25, 2011, 07:43:47 am
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 225
Hey is this fit still viable? Like hasn't been nerfed at all? -
March 26, 2011, 02:40:46 pm
Lieutenant CommanderReputation: 12
yep its still good. even better now that everyone uses autos and multiple tracking enhancers. -
April 01, 2011, 08:54:40 pm
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 131
Hey is this fit still viable? Like hasn't been nerfed at all?
Guns: still work
Drones: still work
TD: still works
Repper: still works
Nos: still works
yeah, fit's still viable... -
April 01, 2011, 08:54:58 pm
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 131
Hey is this fit still viable? Like hasn't been nerfed at all?
Guns: still work
Drones: still work
TD: still works
Repper: still works
Nos: still works
yeah, fit's still viable... -
May 02, 2011, 12:25:25 pm
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Ok, I'm sorry to necro this anymore than it already has, but I've been having trouble with this fit. It just seems like every time I fight another AF or cruiser, they just web me and then I'm screwed. Do you start with the tracking speed disruption script so they have to come in closer? What am I doing wrong here? -
May 02, 2011, 01:39:03 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
Ok, I'm sorry to necro this anymore than it already has, but I've been having trouble with this fit. It just seems like every time I fight another AF or cruiser, they just web me and then I'm screwed. Do you start with the tracking speed disruption script so they have to come in closer? What am I doing wrong here?
Depends on the Cruiser in some cases.
If you start at range, then either use Tracking Speed and manually pilot your ship (spiral or zigzag towards the target). Or use Optimal Range till you're getting close to their disrupted range and then switch to Tracking Speed when in orbit.
If you get webbed, the best thing you can do is maintain your orbit and manually fly your ship to keep transversal up as high as you can get it. You'll generally be fast than them so you wont lose range and can keep the advantage. If you're slower than them, consider getting out or you'll have to work doubly hard to keep a higher transversal (higher speed means they can dictate range and therfore transversal). -
May 21, 2011, 05:04:58 am
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 65
This fit cannot attack anything it wants to. It is for the experienced player, you need to choose your enemies carefully. For instance... some Enyos maybe heavily tanked and easy to orbit/kite, but MY Enyo would rape this. Depends on who you run into and whether you're smart enough to KNOW who you're fighting at all times. It's good to know how they fit their ships, you know what I mean? Same goes for Wolfs, you might run into a plated Wolf w/ rocket and speed tank him with ease, or you might run into a plated neut wolf who will drain your cap and rape you.
Good fit though, by the grace of New Eden this thread will never die. -
May 22, 2011, 06:02:48 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
MY Enyo would rape this.
MY Enyo would take it out to a nice seafood dinner and treat it real respectable like. -
May 23, 2011, 03:06:43 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
Seafood is so 90's youngster movie. -
May 23, 2011, 03:24:59 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 24
Seafood is so 90's youngster movie.
No Fisherman's Basket for YOU then
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May 23, 2011, 08:25:04 am
Master Chief Petty OfficerReputation: 131
can i buy you a fish sandwich? -
June 07, 2011, 05:07:49 pm
CommanderReputation: 691
damn, this looks like it could solo anything, +1 -
June 07, 2011, 05:15:55 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 65
damn, this looks like it could solo anything, +1
It`s totally overrated if you ask me. It`s only got so many + because Turelle`s an old codger with a nice killboard and he sounds nice and confident in his description.
Almost any of my AF would roflstomp this. -
June 08, 2011, 11:11:12 pm
CommanderReputation: 65
damn, this looks like it could solo anything, +1
It`s totally overrated if you ask me. It`s only got so many + because Turelle`s an old codger with a nice killboard and he sounds nice and confident in his description.
Almost any of my AF would roflstomp this.
mmmmmm k if you say so -
June 09, 2011, 08:38:20 am
CommanderReputation: 691
I don't really know what turrels killboard looks like and the 255 +'s before me did not factor in my decision to +1 its a damn nice fit.
Although I am wondering why there are no rigs on it, I'm going to assume thats because it was made before rig sizes came in, damage rigs would go in there for me. -
June 09, 2011, 06:30:55 pm
Petty Officer 1st. ClassReputation: 65
Wolf, Enyo, Ishkur, Malediction, Vengeances. I fly all of those and all of mine would own this, my Wolf would track decently with 125s and neut him out, my Enyo will just buttrape it because it's faster and has way more damage, my Ishkur would simply outtank and outdamage it, my dual rep vengeance will out tank it, and my Malediction will own your drones and then kill you from 9km.
Just sayin -
June 10, 2011, 01:09:40 am
Fleet CaptainReputation: 41
Yes, yes... You are very good, we heard you the first time. -
June 10, 2011, 08:42:30 am
CommanderReputation: 61
Wolf, Enyo, Ishkur, Malediction, Vengeances. I fly all of those and all of mine would own this, my Wolf would track decently with 125s and neut him out, my Enyo will just buttrape it because it's faster and has way more damage, my Ishkur would simply outtank and outdamage it, my dual rep vengeance will out tank it, and my Malediction will own your drones and then kill you from 9km.
Just sayin
Wolf
Risky to ship to engage at the best of times. But doable. If you use 125s, of course you can track at close range. That's why I'll use optimal range and shoot you from outside your engagement range. Even if you switch to barrage, you dont have the range to hit me.
Enyo. Again, optimal range disruption. I can generally pull away from a slightly faster ship long enough to get more damage in than he can (and when closes range, it's not hard to , so an Enyo is generally a pretty damn easy ship to kill.
Vengence, not even going to exlain that one. Rocket ship, I dont engage any rocket ships, whatsoever, of course it would rape me.
Ishkur, another risky to ship to engage. Incredibly versatile, I would check the pilots fittings (if I knew the pilots name) before I engage. But I would avoid this 90% of the time anyway. If neuts and cap booster, unless i can keep range, I wont stand a chance. I can deal with webs, but if the other pilot is very experienced and knows how to use one, I could be in for trouble.
Malediction is an interceptor. And although I probably wouldn't look to engage you, I can deal with them, either getting into range or out of it. But again, mostly a rocket ship, not exactly my ideal target.Although I am wondering why there are no rigs on it, I'm going to assume thats because it was made before rig sizes came in, damage rigs would go in there for me.
Read the OP, explains my preferance for the rigs depending on what I feel like fighting that day.
Thanks for the support and guys
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July 01, 2011, 08:58:07 am
Member 1st Class
Reputation: 10
"Whether is orbits outside of web range like a Vagabond..."
If you're orbiting outside of web range, shouldn't you be using a warp disruptor rather than a warp scrambler? Because if you're out of web range, if I recall correctly, you're out of scram range as well, so your enemy could simply, you know, fly away. Did I miss something? Do you only orbit out of web range to keep transversal low while you enter scram range?
Anyway I like this fit sorry for the "necro", thumbs up and all that. -
July 01, 2011, 09:03:55 am
CommodoreReputation: 483
my Enyo will just buttrape it because it's faster and has way more damage
heh
be able to track great with neutrons~ -
July 04, 2011, 04:22:07 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
"Whether is orbits outside of web range like a Vagabond..."
My intention is not to fly out of scram range if I can help it. Sometimes it does become useful to, but not with a ship like the Vagabond.
If you're orbiting outside of web range, shouldn't you be using a warp disruptor rather than a warp scrambler?
Keeping him in scram range and being as close as possible is your only real hope of killing him, they are very agile ships and I dont want him to be able to get any shots off with those ACs when I use the wrong script. -
July 31, 2011, 01:04:43 pm
Chief Petty Officer
Reputation: 93
enyo
Your Enyo would die horribly because you're a fail fit!
Anyway, Turelle, I really love this setup for the Ishkur, and I know you fly it well. Here are a couple thoughts:
- True Sansha Reactive Membrane; it's a waste of money, brings the explosive resist from 59 to 61, and you tank Warrior IIs with ease already (7,700 ehp with T2 Membrane, 7,780 or so ehp with faction Membrane). That's my thought anyway.
- Deadspace Afterburners are incredibly easy to get; slap on a Coreli Afterburner and it saves capacitor and powergrid, and brings your top speed from 888 m/s to 947 m/s, extremely valuable numbers for an Ishkur.
- I use one Neutron on top of the two Ions, it brings the dps to 230 with faction ammo and 250 overloaded.
- Last thought: Corpii Nosferatu is more than worth it; it siphons more capacitor from your enemy and has an 8.6 km range
Still one of the best ships in the game, and this is the best fit for it. -
August 21, 2011, 04:37:33 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 330
enyo
Your Enyo would die horribly because you're a fail fit!
Anyway, Turelle, I really love this setup for the Ishkur, and I know you fly it well. Here are a couple thoughts:
- True Sansha Reactive Membrane; it's a waste of money, brings the explosive resist from 59 to 61, and you tank Warrior IIs with ease already (7,700 ehp with T2 Membrane, 7,780 or so ehp with faction Membrane). That's my thought anyway.
- Deadspace Afterburners are incredibly easy to get; slap on a Coreli Afterburner and it saves capacitor and powergrid, and brings your top speed from 888 m/s to 947 m/s, extremely valuable numbers for an Ishkur.
- I use one Neutron on top of the two Ions, it brings the dps to 230 with faction ammo and 250 overloaded.
- Last thought: Corpii Nosferatu is more than worth it; it siphons more capacitor from your enemy and has an 8.6 km range
Still one of the best ships in the game, and this is the best fit for it.
Faction reactive membranes are super super cheap. Heck you could probably get a deadspace one for a few mils. A few cheap deadspace mods would truly make this a beast. +1 for a classic -
February 27, 2012, 02:56:22 pm
MemberReputation: 6
this ishkur need to be updated due to 2012's AS buff -
February 27, 2012, 07:55:45 pm
Lieutenant, Junior GradeReputation: 330
this ishkur need to be updated due to 2012's AS buff
This fit is over 3 years old, and since then both AFs and hybrids have been buffed. It is a good start, but it is much better to make a new fit / thread.
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March 01, 2012, 02:11:48 pm
CommanderReputation: 61
I'm still in the process of deciding on the best module for the last slot. Best I could do was a True Sansha ANP. A little extra resists never hurt.
Other than the last slot, this fit is still viable even after 3 years. Against some AFs it might be best to avoid now, but against cruisers and above it's still the same.
