Loadout: Thorax 1600mm
Thorax 1600mm
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February 27, 2007, 01:46:40 pm
Go with 2x specific resists instead of the EANM. Hardners FTW but if you cant fit them or dont want to deal with the extra cap consumption then membranes should do just fine. -
February 27, 2007, 08:15:50 pm
Good, tried and true setup. =] -
September 21, 2007, 09:38:42 am
Theres absolutely nothing you should change about this setup. Fived. -
November 06, 2007, 05:19:44 am
What about dropping the Nos in favor of another blaster? -
November 06, 2007, 06:48:06 am
Got a couple of questions about this, isn't it counterproductive to fit a mwd and a plate? and why the small guns?
Please educate this noob -
November 06, 2007, 06:50:40 am
A plate adds mass, which lessens the effect of the MWD.
But with blasters, there is no other way of getting in range than an MWD. -
November 06, 2007, 06:59:16 am
I understand the use of the mwd, but shouldn't you be fitting medium guns on a cruiser? those look like small guns to me. -
November 06, 2007, 07:05:20 am
He more than likey did that in order to fit the plate. -
November 06, 2007, 07:27:22 am
Every fit balances damage and tank. Need and situation.
The classic blasterax uses small guns to fit a very formidable tank and is a very good solo pvp. You lose out because of the loss of the Thorax med hybrid bonuses but this fit is low skill intensive so easy to start in and cheap. Since the target for the ship is usually frigates or other cruisers, the overall loss of damage is not that significant.
In a larger gang you might want a gankax, fitting med guns with a weak tank and damage mods. If you dont get called primary the weak tank is less important. -
November 06, 2007, 07:36:53 am
I understand the use of the mwd, but shouldn't you be fitting medium guns on a cruiser? those look like small guns to me.
You can't fit 1600mm plate and heavy blasters.
Its a choice, one or the other. -
November 06, 2007, 09:00:58 am
* Axmathos feels so enlightened now -
November 23, 2007, 03:35:23 am
Not enough PG with all skills at V... Something is wrong :p -
November 24, 2007, 05:22:46 pm
Not enough PG with all skills at V... Something is wrong :p
Nothing is wrong, the setup is fine. Go back and try again. -
November 27, 2007, 06:25:28 pm
I tried to reproduce this loadout using tech 1 stuff IE.. an after burner vs the MWD (skills not there yet) and was getting chewed up. they could always keep just enough distance from my so i was ineffective. I assume the key to this set is to get in quick and do your damage? -
November 27, 2007, 08:22:18 pm
a mwd is necessary for this to get to the person. ab's are much easier to outrun -
November 28, 2007, 02:01:46 am
MWD is MUST with this setup. Thorax even have bonus for MWD. You could say that MWD is actualy foundation of such setup and this ship. -
December 04, 2007, 03:06:12 pm
you might want to use a DC 2, and you certainly want enam 2's for this setup, but it looks very solid, I use energized reactive plating to fill my explosive hole instead of DC though -
December 24, 2007, 05:46:11 pm
looks good on paper but havnt tried it myself -
December 24, 2007, 08:34:45 pm
This is a good base setup
Another good setup is for short-term engagements, mostly when you have backup on the way. AKA Passive Armor Tank
Lose the MAR II & energized membranes and fit three active hardners. Lose the Nos and add one more small T2 blaster. Train up your hybrid skills to get the most damage.
Now you've got a ship that can lock down a target, do a little damage, and (in most situations) last long enough till your backup gets there. -
December 25, 2007, 06:39:08 am
This is a good base setup
Lose the MAR II & energized membranes and fit three active hardners. Lose the Nos and add one more small T2 blaster. Train up your hybrid skills to get the most damage.
That would be totally different role than, right?
Something like heavy tackler ... There is better ships for the job imo... -
December 28, 2007, 04:56:11 am
Seriously this setup is not possible without implants or something. With engineering V Thorax has 1025 PG.
MAR II = 173 PG
1600mm Rolled Tungsten = 500 PG
10mn MWD II = 165 PG
Medium Diminuishing = 175 PG
4 * Neuts 2 (with AWU4)= 4 * 9.2 = 36.8 PG
This is already 1049.8 PG... -
December 28, 2007, 05:02:40 am
Yup, this one´s impossible to fit as it is.
Either you fit a RCU/PDS or a ACR I if you have the money for Rigs on a T1 Cruiser. -
December 28, 2007, 05:10:32 am
QuoteThat would be totally different role than, right?
Something like heavy tackler ... There is better ships for the job imo...
Yes there probably are better ships for heavy tackling, but I like the 1600mm passive thorax because it's relatively cheap and pretty effective for holding a target while more DPS arrives.
Although for solo PvP I would keep the setup with one expl hardner and one EANM II. (With mechanic skills trained way up). I would also keep the 4 small hybrids and one NOS. (Also make sure small hybrids are trained way up to get the best DPS). -
December 31, 2007, 07:20:28 am
OK I have tried this set-up and love it. I have never been a fan of in your face combat but this setup really works well...Im low SP( under 2 million ) the only difference for me is I use (2) tech 2 cap rechargers. At low SP the best I can hope for right now is Mission or Rats but with better skills...should hold my own just fine. -
January 01, 2008, 03:46:16 am
Ahaa you can kill many ships with 2m SP in a plated thorax. That would include all frigates except fast inties outside web range and most tech 1 cruisers, unless the pilot is much older than you. -
January 05, 2008, 10:51:35 am
I use 2 cap rechargers ( tech 2) instead of the webby and warp disrupt, to make everything on this fit work i had to use a Beta reactor, helps with pg, cap and a slight shield recharge. Ignus...my comment so far have been mission and ratting...I can hold my own against seveal rat cruisers, dread or BS in 0.2 - 0.3, as long as I dont get webbed, Which I have recently found that they can do. Tech 2 Drone don't hurt either.. -
January 16, 2008, 02:00:43 am
This works without rigs, but does require the squire pg4 implant. -
January 18, 2008, 05:39:17 am
This fits fine on even low SP characters so long as you replace the MAR and MWD with Tech 1 variants (I used the Carapace and Y-T8 respectively) and have Engineering V.
Also surely a Warp Scrambler II would be a better choice? Easier to fit, cheaper, less cap use... and you need to be within 2km to use the blasters anyway so I don't see why you'd need a 20km range over 9km.
Anyway, fantastic standard setup, if rather cap-intensive. -
January 18, 2008, 10:59:47 am
great setup -
January 19, 2008, 04:24:51 am
since people insist on necroing this, i suggest running a 90% web, also, i think i filled all the high slots with light neutrons, but i certainly see why you might consider a vamp, this ship chews cap, the T2 MWD is eating up PG/CPU, i'd switch to the named one, and try to get T2 ENAMs on it. props on the DCU2, also you might consider running damp drones, makes those BS's cry -
January 21, 2008, 08:03:21 am
dcu tech2 maybe? only need hull upgrades 4 and well u should have enough cpu to fit it:P? -
January 24, 2008, 06:59:46 am
It fits with good skills, but u can't run all the crap indefinitelly, i tried it and i can only run it for 1-2 minutes, and i have decent cap skills. -
January 24, 2008, 08:07:18 am
Sorry I know people think this is an *AWESOME* setup and all but it frankly just torques me off.
A. The first bonus (5% to medium guns per level) is USELESS with this setup
B. The MWD is made useless with the plates
Blahblahblah plates give you an insane buffer tank blahblah well frankly imo thorax = gank, this is more of a soaker tank, so what if you're down to structure by the time you're warping out, you've completely disowned your target by the time you have to warp out, unlike this setup, which gives whoever more time to call in for back up / for you to get primary'd.
Just my 2cents. I might try it and let ya know how I like it, but everything I've learned about fitting ships kinda goes against this
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January 24, 2008, 08:28:31 am
Sorry I know people think this is an *AWESOME* setup and all but it frankly just torques me off.
A. The first bonus (5% to medium guns per level) is USELESS with this setup
B. The MWD is made useless with the plates
Blahblahblah plates give you an insane buffer tank blahblah well frankly imo thorax = gank, this is more of a soaker tank, so what if you're down to structure by the time you're warping out, you've completely disowned your target by the time you have to warp out, unlike this setup, which gives whoever more time to call in for back up / for you to get primary'd.
Just my 2cents. I might try it and let ya know how I like it, but everything I've learned about fitting ships kinda goes against this
I'm fairly certain this setup relies on more than people "thinking" it's awesome. -
January 24, 2008, 08:41:09 am
It may not be aesthetic but it´s effective. -
January 24, 2008, 10:08:59 am
ya, i did not like this setup either until i tried it. IT is a very effective and cheap setup. This thorax is the most effective solo thorax i have seen. And belive me, i as well as alot of other people, have tested multiple different configurations of this ship and from my experience, for solo pvp, this ship is better in battle, and its cheap. -
January 24, 2008, 11:44:11 pm
It's a sound setup for someone with low skills (though I would drop the nos and MAR for a SARII and one more gun), who is not yet able to fit 5 medium blasters to a Gankorax. It's not that the 1600mm plate cancels out the MWD so much as with the plate one still needs MWD in order to keep range on a webbed target. -
January 25, 2008, 05:51:31 am
I personaly like having the NOS on there, it helps keep my cap alive for those times when i am trying to take on a weak BC pilot. I tend to need a bit more cap when i catch a miner, and he jumps in a BC even though he does not have the skills to fly it well... so then i get a barge and a BC from the same guy. yes it does not happen alot, but when it does its nice. -
February 08, 2008, 10:30:11 pm
Why put a web on a fast ship with small guns? They cant get away and the turrents will always track. -
February 09, 2008, 03:09:49 am
Why put a web on a fast ship with small guns? They cant get away and the turrents will always track.
that MWD chews through cap so being to turn it off once your target is webbed is a nescesity. it also helps with the hits you get on the ships which is welcome. -
February 09, 2008, 05:40:13 pm
Why put a web on a fast ship with small guns? They cant get away and the turrents will always track.
for the rail megas coming in behind you -
February 13, 2008, 11:15:11 pm
Hey i just tried this fit in EFT with all skills at V and i didnt have enough PG. AM i doing something wrong or is the EFT incorrect?
edit: also can someone tell me what DCU stands for? -
February 14, 2008, 12:04:44 am
Yeah, this doesn't work with the T2 repper without a PG implant. A med "Accommodation" repper fits, and DCU is damage control unit. -
February 14, 2008, 07:21:54 pm
ahhh ok thank you. lol sorry im a noob but also what is a PG implant? -
February 14, 2008, 10:19:53 pm
Power grid implant. It's an implant that boosts your power grid (PG) output. -
February 14, 2008, 11:03:46 pm
is that part of the slots 6-10? and also what are they called? -
February 15, 2008, 03:02:47 am
Yeah, those last 6 slots and I have no idea on the name. Browse the implants in EFT or EVEmon, won't take too long. -
February 15, 2008, 03:06:33 am
is that part of the slots 6-10? and also what are they called?
Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG2
Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG4
Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG8 -
February 15, 2008, 05:56:58 am
just drop the t2 armor repper for best named... My version of this does t2 small ac's as well
[Thorax, Thorax 1600mm T2]
Damage Control II
Medium Automated I Carapace Restoration
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
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February 15, 2008, 07:45:05 am
i agree with the lack of power grid, ive just put it through eft on full lvl 5 skills, and it short on power, not by much but its short, and thats using exactly the same mods -
February 15, 2008, 07:45:55 am
gar sorry i didnt see the rest of the posts, problem sovled :S -
February 19, 2008, 08:32:49 pm
Hey guys could you do
High:
5x Heavy Electrons T2
Mid:
scram, web, mwd
Low:
1600mm tung, RCU II, 3x Mag stab? -
March 02, 2008, 03:41:28 am
the set up looks nice but in all reality what do you plan on killing? a couple of frigs or maybe some noobs in destroyers? This set up is no good for pvp.. it doesnt do enough dps and is very cap heavy -
March 02, 2008, 05:03:05 am
nope you are very wrong this settup can kill frigs and destroyers no problem like you said, but it can kill alot of cruisers no problem. The effective hp on this thing is so big it can tank anything a cruiser can throw at it, and its dps is actually better than you would think. -
March 02, 2008, 01:14:04 pm
ya but you can go ahead and fit cruiser guns on it and make believe you are flying a Deimos! Just tell me where you are flying your thorax for 'pvp' -
March 02, 2008, 02:16:14 pm
Do not ever fit a Thorax with light blasters, rails or non-blasters for PvP. In missions you can do whatever you damn well please but the Thorax is a medium blaster platform. Period.
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March 02, 2008, 02:21:05 pm
Yes in 90% of cases the thorax is a med blaster platform, but the small blaster platerax setup is a tried and true idea that works very well. -
March 02, 2008, 02:22:43 pm
Light blasters will yield you frigate kills and that's it. You come against anything with a brain and cruiser sized weaponry and you'll be toast in a matter of minutes.
A medium rack of Electrons 1600mm plate and an RCU still gives more dps than 1 more mag stab and full lights.
There's just no reason to use lights. -
March 02, 2008, 02:24:08 pm
Light blasters will yield you frigate kills and that's it. You come against anything with a brain and cruiser sized weaponry and you'll be toast in a matter of minutes.
And yet, plated rax's with small blasters are one of the most common fittings for the thorax for as long as i can remember. -
March 02, 2008, 02:39:46 pm
Right but good luck fitting that without rigs. This thing is tight on grid with the light blasters. -
March 02, 2008, 02:45:48 pm
Light blasters will yield you frigate kills and that's it. You come against anything with a brain and cruiser sized weaponry and you'll be toast in a matter of minutes.
And yet, plated rax's with small blasters are one of the most common fittings for the thorax for as long as i can remember.
Just because something is socially accepted doesn't make it right or good.
1600mm Thorax
5x Electron Blasters (med)
MWD-Webber-Scram
2x Mag Stab II 1x PDS 1x 1600mm Plate 1x DCU II
For a grand total of 19k eHP and 242 DPS without drones. -
March 02, 2008, 02:49:43 pm
its not a matter of socially accepted but of sustained performance... -
March 02, 2008, 02:50:52 pm
its not a matter of socially accepted but of sustained performance...
Do you honestly think that a rack of light blasters will outdamage cruiser sized weapons? -
March 02, 2008, 02:51:36 pm
yep, that sounds like my mini-deimos. But dude, if you do the math out for how long it's really going to take that thing to eat thru this ones armor and repper it is significantly longer than how long it will take the small gun fitted Thorax to chip thru your medium gun fitted one -
March 02, 2008, 02:52:06 pm
QuoteFor a grand total of 19k eHP and 242 DPS without drones
In this case it IS the right choice (Light Neutrons) with maxed skills you do quite a bit more DPS with them than Electrons because if you fit a 1600mm AND a 10mn MWD you can't fit even 4x Med Electrons without Rigs/Imps, therefore with 3x Electrons the DPS is 237 with Void, with 5x Light Neutrons it's 271 also with void. -
March 02, 2008, 02:53:25 pm
yea thats great, if you can fit it. Try running that through EFT with all lvl 5 skills. Even with all basic tech 1 stuff, and best pds you are short on grid without the magstabs or DCU. -
March 02, 2008, 02:55:54 pm
QuoteFor a grand total of 19k eHP and 242 DPS without drones
In this case it IS the right choice (Light Neutrons) with maxed skills you do quite a bit more DPS with them than Electrons because if you fit a 1600mm AND a 10mn MWD you can't fit even 4x Med Electrons without Rigs/Imps, therefore with 3x Electrons the DPS is 237 with Void, with 5x Light Neutrons it's 271 also with void.
Those numbers are just with my skills and tech1 guns. -
March 02, 2008, 02:56:03 pm
no I'm saying that the performance of the 1600mm platerax has proven itself. regardless of the "logical" arguments you are presenting its a tried and true fit. Numbers are not everything and because we only see it outside of a live envirnoment they can lie to you or not allow you to see the entire picture of what happens durring an engagment.
So light blasters outdamaging a cruiser? maybe not but the full medium sized verieties without the 1600 mm plate lack the high hp buffer that this has. so in the short term engagment (where this sucker shines) it has more total hp by far than other loudouts. in long term engagements its hp is low.
The beuty of this setup is that in small gang warfare there is usually no such thing as a long term engagment. So this wins the day. -
March 02, 2008, 02:56:44 pm
And that is incorrect Cronus, I'm sitting here looking at the fit with MY skills, not even all level 5 -
March 02, 2008, 02:58:52 pm
its been said before and I'll say it again now for those who don't remember or can't bother to go look at previous posts...
Powergrid issue is solved by changing out the t2 repper for best named. I suspect it was a mistake on the op's part to put it in there or at time of posting it would of worked. but thats speculation. -
March 02, 2008, 03:00:13 pm
we arent talking about the real fit we are talking about korupts proposed fit. some1 else please check it in EFT cause im getting that he is short on grid, but he says he isnt. -
March 02, 2008, 03:02:30 pm
There's absolutely no reason to rep with a 1600mm plate fit.
You're never going to be able to rep a thorax fully with a 1600mm plate while under fire, as a general rule of thumb you're not supposed to plate and rep at the same time. Especially on a ship with no inherent resists on it.
Here's an example of a 1600mm fit:
http://i31.tinypic.com/2aguib7.jpg -
March 02, 2008, 03:05:13 pm
Ok that makes more sense. You said 1xPDS. You need 1xRCU. Never though somthing like that would fit but sure enough... -
March 02, 2008, 03:06:14 pm
Well with tech 1 guns (what i had fit) pds was enough. But I think someone started comparing tech 1 med electrons to t2 light neutrons... so i changed the setup to t2 electrons and an RCU -
March 02, 2008, 03:09:01 pm
There's absolutely no reason to rep with a 1600mm plate fit.
You're never going to be able to rep a thorax fully with a 1600mm plate while under fire, as a general rule of thumb you're not supposed to plate and rep at the same time. Especially on a ship with no inherent resists on it.
Here's an example of a 1600mm fit:
http://i31.tinypic.com/2aguib7.jpg
the reppage provides that extra bit of hp ... its like another phantom plate.... I don't think anyone expects to out rep the damage comming in on this sucker... mostly they expect to kill the target before it can kill you. -
March 02, 2008, 03:11:33 pm
Those are not acceptable tactics for engaging players who have experience. A plate is used because it provides a semblence of a tank while allowing the ship that is being plated to fit for GANK to maxmimize dps.
A plate is used to let you output as much dps as you can to kill the target before it eats up your buffer. Putting in a repper is only hindering the setup. -
March 02, 2008, 03:13:13 pm
Korupt is right, for a great gank dps build use a plate and no repper. personally i only use this when some1 has armor rep drones, or a logistcs ship . -
March 02, 2008, 03:14:05 pm
Its unfortunate when acceptable tactics are proven to not be the only ones that work. There is always an exception. -
March 02, 2008, 03:15:02 pm
Its unfortunate when acceptable tactics are proven to not be the only ones that work.
That's meaningless posh. What was even the point of saying that?
Unicorns are blue. There, I've contributed just as much. -
March 02, 2008, 03:19:56 pm
Its unfortunate when acceptable tactics are proven to not be the only ones that work.
That's meaningless posh. What was even the point of saying that?
Unicorns are blue. There, I've contributed just as much.
The point of saying that which you so far have not gotten is that this setup works. Regardless of what YOU think acceptable tactics are and in fact tactis I agree with this setup works!.... but you keep throwing numbers and facts and such... There is an excpetion to every rule of thumb and every tactic, accepted or not. this happens to be one. -
March 02, 2008, 03:21:19 pm
You seem to misunderstand my position on the subject. As far as I'm concerned, a setup "works" if it can be fit.
The point I am contesting, is that this setup is not efficient at performing the Thorax' role and that there are much better alternatives. -
March 02, 2008, 03:33:29 pm
QuoteThere is an excpetion to every rule of thumb and every tactic, accepted or not. this happens to be one.
The Passive Shield Tanked Myrmidon is yet another 'exception' in that it is a bastardized version of what CCP gave for ship bonuses but it out tanks the Active Armor Myrm almost 3-1.
BTW: As a frame of reference for us all, may I ask how long you have played Eve Korupt? -
March 02, 2008, 03:35:46 pm
that would depend on what you thought the role is.... like every ship that isn't a specialized one it can fill multiple roles.
The benifit of this is that it is cheep to replace performs admirably in small gang engagements and solo against many other ships. has the hp to bait and wait for help and requires less sp to fit than other setups using the same chasis.
No is it the perfect setup? who knows... but its easy and effective... this leads to its popularity. It fits a multitude of situations without refit. So. again it depends on the role you expect it to fill...
It has most definitly proved to be an interesting loadout as we are going on 7 pages here of post concerning its merits... so.. forgive me for my "heat" there. It just appeared you where dismissing out of hand the fact that it actually works well. -
March 02, 2008, 03:37:50 pm
The passive shield tanked Myrmidon is actually a builder of my case since it forgos the garbage repper bonus. I'm almost certain the Myrm would be one of the best ships in the game if it had a shield res bonus instead but that's a discussion for another time. -
March 02, 2008, 03:39:49 pm
oh my god! i'm so fricken happy this convo continued! Now i can read it all and hop back in! -
March 02, 2008, 03:42:05 pm
The passive shield tanked Myrmidon is actually a builder of my case since it forgos the garbage repper bonus. I'm almost certain the Myrm would be one of the best ships in the game if it had a shield res bonus instead but that's a discussion for another time.
its less of a testament to "the garbage repper bonus" and more of a testement to the uberness of passive shields in terms of tank capability. -
March 02, 2008, 03:43:44 pm
its less of a testament to "the garbage repper bonus" and more of a testement to the uberness of passive shields in terms of tank capability.
+1 for a good post. -
March 02, 2008, 03:47:42 pm
I am going to have to say, I do set up my Thorax in the exact way which Korupt prescribes, however, I usually consider this Thorax an effective build for any lower skilled player. For solo pvp this Thorax does break the mold, but for gang pvp the electron Thorax is a better fit imo -
March 02, 2008, 05:31:56 pm
The passive shield tanked Myrmidon is actually a builder of my case since it forgos the garbage repper bonus. I'm almost certain the Myrm would be one of the best ships in the game if it had a shield res bonus instead but that's a discussion for another time.
its less of a testament to "the garbage repper bonus" and more of a testement to the uberness of passive shields in terms of tank capability.
Agreed. -
March 02, 2008, 08:03:20 pm
there is so much spam here about everything else then this actuall fitting.. but from the vote's it seems (oddly enough being frig weapons) that this setup isnt THAT bad... but whouldnt it work with a mag stab or something... isnt it VERY little damage from those small guns??
plz answer fast... got a carrier to take my ship to 00 ;P -
March 02, 2008, 08:09:23 pm
the T2 guns are there because mediums will not fit with the 1600mm plate, so if you want armor tank, use the T2 smalls -
March 02, 2008, 08:12:59 pm
yes but wouldnt it be possible to fit a mag stab instead of 1 of the eanm's? or would it nerf resistance to much ?
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March 02, 2008, 08:15:01 pm
it's possible, but I prefer the tank to the gank, if you want a fleet gank, drop the plate, drop the repper, drop an eanm, put in 3 mag stabs and medium T2 blasters..., but if you are going solo, i suggest keeping the tank fit -
March 02, 2008, 08:18:49 pm
not solo... roaming gang of 5-10 ppl
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March 02, 2008, 08:22:54 pm
go gank then, because i doubt you'll be primared f;ying this ship if there are other people in bigger ships, however, i will let you know that in a 6 person gang i have been primaried in this ship, and the plate saved me, more than once -
March 02, 2008, 08:23:44 pm
For small gang I personally fit all highs = Light Neutrons with Void, Lows = 1x DCU II, 1x Exp II, 1x 1600mm Tungsten, 2x MagStab II's and 5x ECM drones. I let others in gang rep me if I live and if I die so what it's a cheap setup and does descent damage. -
March 02, 2008, 08:27:41 pm
but do u need awu 5 to fit this:S -
March 02, 2008, 08:28:58 pm
i fly this with AWU 3, minus the vamp....(+1 gun) -
March 02, 2008, 08:30:35 pm
oki without the nos its easy... kinda wanted the nos to atleast keep the guns goin if i get nossed or nautralized -
March 02, 2008, 08:31:04 pm
You can fit the 5x lights plus MWD plus 1600mm without AWU at all
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March 02, 2008, 08:35:30 pm
but this exact loadout isnt FITTABLE! :S even in eft with all skills at 5:S -
March 02, 2008, 08:37:14 pm
yep, looks like you are right there, requires a PG implant, but it says as much earlier in the thread -
March 02, 2008, 08:38:17 pm
Cause this exact loadout has Med NOS, the plated 5x gun version we have all been talking about fits. -
March 02, 2008, 09:02:05 pm
i needs an implant to fit with everything... which has been stated in previous comments. -
March 02, 2008, 10:44:41 pm
wich someone allrdy have quoted me on an stated;) -
March 06, 2008, 08:22:14 am
This is the highest rated Thorax on the site and it has a big red "This is an old loadout" on the top. What does that mean? Does it mean that the loadout has been on the site a long time? Does it mean that the original poster has loaded another Thorax that's supposedly better? Should newbies like me fit their thorax like this or not?
Is unprogramable still around? Can you please edit the original post to reflect why this is marked as old and what's better?
If this fitting is somehow deprecated, we need to vote it down. But I don't know why to vote it down it seems like a good fit to me. -
March 06, 2008, 08:38:08 am
all that means is that it is an old loadout. But this is the main loadout that the 1600 plate small nuetron thorax started with if i remember right. Basicaly the only difference you see now is most people either fit 5 blasters, or the put an explosive hardeners in instead of 1 of the eanm. -
March 15, 2008, 06:17:18 am
ok... this is a fairly standard setup; to those asking about the blasters:
The armor takes up most of the power; there is not enough left for the blasters, and t2 small blasters can outdamage t1 med. blasters
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March 15, 2008, 08:41:27 am
alkegliengenerbreh.. dude, read through our threads. There are a few different 'standard' fits that we've agreed upon. go on and read them. you can fit 1600mm plate on a thorax with medium guns as well. but anyway, this arguement has gone back and forth to the point where most of us agree to agree that there are several 'standard' fits for the thorax.. however... flying a thorax like this... isn't the best practice for flying a deimos. -
March 15, 2008, 10:07:19 am
ok... this is a fairly standard setup; to those asking about the blasters:
The armor takes up most of the power; there is not enough left for the blasters, and t2 small blasters can outdamage t1 med. blasters
WRONG. Plug it into EFT. At all skills 5, I put in a Light Neutron II and a Heavy Electron I.
Light Neutron II w/ Antimatter S:
32 DPS, 80 volley damage
Heavy Electron I w/ Antimatter M:
35 DPS, 75 volley damage
And your argument is void because Van and I along with several others have compiled a 1600mm Thorax WITH medium sized guns that works.
This is indisputable evidence that light guns do not belong on a Thorax. -
March 15, 2008, 10:18:31 am
You do need damned good fitting skills to fit medium T2 blasters to a 1600 plated fit though, even if it is only electrons. -
March 15, 2008, 10:23:44 am
Just the basics. -
March 15, 2008, 10:27:45 am
ok... this is a fairly standard setup; to those asking about the blasters:
The armor takes up most of the power; there is not enough left for the blasters, and t2 small blasters can outdamage t1 med. blasters
WRONG. Plug it into EFT. At all skills 5, I put in a Light Neutron II and a Heavy Electron I.
Light Neutron II w/ Antimatter S:
32 DPS, 80 volley damage
Heavy Electron I w/ Antimatter M:
35 DPS, 75 volley damage
And your argument is void because Van and I along with several others have compiled a 1600mm Thorax WITH medium sized guns that works.
This is indisputable evidence that light guns do not belong on a Thorax.
You'd think a light guns thorax killed this guy's parents the way he goes after them. I find it quite comical that he believes just because medium guns will fit with perfect skills, it negates the light guns thorax. -
March 15, 2008, 10:33:36 am
Why do you idiots keep taking this to a personal level? Why can't you demonstrate atleast the PRETENSE that you are in possession of a thought-capable brain?
This isn't about ME, it's about the LOADOUT, it's about the THORAX. Stop circle jerking and start being constructive. Just because I don't agree with your setup and contest various point of it, why does that make me the bad guy?
Stop crying about nothing. -
March 15, 2008, 10:44:03 am
He talks about us getting personal as he starts name calling. Why can't you accept the fact that there are indeed multiple fittings for the same ship? I have no problem with a medium guns thorax. I have a problem with you trying to storm in here and shout to the world that light guns thorax is useless, when a vast majority seem to feel otherwise. -
March 15, 2008, 10:46:44 am
It's not name calling it's identifying the truth as it is, sorry but you'll have to get a less paltry excuse to disprove what I've said about your actions.
It doesn't matter what a vast majority thinks when they're wrong. I've already given you hard mathetimatical statistics as to why it's better and yet you still don't seem to be able to put together the fact that 1 + 1 = 2 -
March 15, 2008, 11:01:59 am
Yea i gotta say after goin through this already for like 3 pages, both setups will work. But the med electron fit works better, if you can fit it all. For very low sp chars this is fine, but the med electron fit works better when you can get it. -
March 15, 2008, 11:10:04 am
^ There's an answer I can agree with. -
March 15, 2008, 11:10:47 am
All level V skills. 5 Light neutron 2's are 176 DPS with better tracking.
All level V skills. 4 Modal Electrons are 164 DPS with worse tracking.
Light guns thorax can fit a medium rep. Med guns thorax cannot. -
March 15, 2008, 11:15:15 am
You don't rep a plated setup, especially on a ship that doesn't receive tanking bonuses(not to mention 1600mm plate). Also, tracking does not come into play here because every Thorax has a web. And why are you putting in 4 guns? There should be a full rack. -
March 15, 2008, 11:15:45 am
Learn to post accurate tests to support your theory.
4 guns vs 5? Please don't make me lol. -
March 15, 2008, 11:16:18 am
Are you not fitting a MWD to your Thorax? Because 5 medium guns, a MWD and a 1600mm plate doesn't work. -
March 15, 2008, 11:17:07 am
RCU/PDS -
March 15, 2008, 11:17:26 am
Just go look at Van's setup -
March 15, 2008, 11:18:33 am
Guy, I don't have a problem with the medium guns setup. But you've said yourself if a setup needs an RCU it's a bad setup. -
March 15, 2008, 11:19:02 am
Do you have a link to his fitting? Nm, found it. -
March 15, 2008, 11:21:30 am
Yes, I do believe that fitting is just fine. It's called a gankerax. A different setup from the Platerax. What is the problem with having 2 different setups? -
March 15, 2008, 11:33:04 am
What are you talking about, a gankrax IS a platerax. You fit a plate so you don't have to worry about repping and resists for a tank. All gank setups pretty much plate which is known as a buffer tank. And in this case, no an RCU is not a bad module choice because it lets you fit meds which still outdps the lights. -
March 15, 2008, 11:40:52 am
There is really no point in arguing this. People will still use both setups, and nothing either of us says on an internet forum is going to make an impact. I use the light guns thorax now and love it, because I don't have T2 medium blasters. But when I get T2 mediums, I will most likely move on to the Gankerax. But until then, the light guns version is a great stand in that is easy to fit, puts out a respectable amount of damage compared to most other cruisers, and does well all around. That's what the light guns thorax is about. Not being an uber gankmobile. -
March 15, 2008, 11:46:42 am
It's a bad setup used as a go-between for low SP players who can't use any better. It's not good and it's not effective and it's not how a Thorax is meant to be flown.
It works, it's moderately acceptable for noob pilots, but it's not better than medium guns.
And now I am done posting in this thread. -
March 15, 2008, 12:35:03 pm
no idea why you keep arguing this... this is a tried a true setup for users that cannot use t2 medium guns yet and also that do not have the skills for a RCUII or even to use the PG implant. it is an effective setup. yes the medium T2 blaster setup is better, but this is not intended to be used if you can use the medium t2 blaster setup. IF the only thing considered to be a good setup here where for more skilled members, whats the point in a new player ever even looking at this forum. I see no where on this forum where it says please only post setups for high skilled players. I also see no where on this forum where it says if you are a low skill player, do not take the time to post a loadout that works for you.... -
March 15, 2008, 12:46:40 pm
works as a pretty good heavy tackler imo, used it in several wars and small gangs as bait -
April 09, 2008, 12:59:21 pm
He forgot that II's can use void which would infact do 37 dps with a 97 volleyok... this is a fairly standard setup; to those asking about the blasters:
The armor takes up most of the power; there is not enough left for the blasters, and t2 small blasters can outdamage t1 med. blasters
WRONG. Plug it into EFT. At all skills 5, I put in a Light Neutron II and a Heavy Electron I.
Light Neutron II w/ Antimatter S:
32 DPS, 80 volley damage
Heavy Electron I w/ Antimatter M:
35 DPS, 75 volley damage
And your argument is void because Van and I along with several others have compiled a 1600mm Thorax WITH medium sized guns that works.
This is indisputable evidence that light guns do not belong on a Thorax. -
April 09, 2008, 03:04:24 pm
Did you really need to go dredge this up lol.......now we get to hear the arguments all over again @_@ -
April 09, 2008, 03:12:46 pm
This is the song that never ends....
It goes on and on my friends.... -
April 09, 2008, 04:15:09 pm
Light blasters SUCK!!!! -
April 09, 2008, 05:18:16 pm
Light blasters SUCK!!!!
lol yea basically true for anything that is not a frig -
April 09, 2008, 05:41:58 pm
Did you really need to go dredge this up lol.......now we get to hear the arguments all over again @_@
There is no argument, it sucks.
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April 09, 2008, 05:53:46 pm
drop the MAR for a magstab and fit another neutron in the last high, works pretty nice for cruiser vs cruiser -
April 09, 2008, 05:57:19 pm
... What have i started -
April 09, 2008, 06:07:40 pm
the end of the world? -
April 09, 2008, 06:08:09 pm
lol hope korupt doesnt see this thread come up again... or maybe he has and just chose to ignore it.... What have i started
believe me this trhead doubled in size, and there were also 2-3 other loadouts posted (with over 3 pages of posts) over the course of a month durring a massive debate on what a platerax should look like. -
April 09, 2008, 06:14:53 pm
yea, good times -
April 09, 2008, 06:36:56 pm
lol hope korupt doesnt see this thread come up again... or maybe he has and just chose to ignore it.
... What have i started
believe me this trhead doubled in size, and there were also 2-3 other loadouts posted (with over 3 pages of posts) over the course of a month durring a massive debate on what a platerax should look like.
he actually vowed not to comment another thorax loadout on BC ever again. LOL we all know what the plate rax looks like... my epeen -
April 26, 2008, 03:22:53 pm
i love how certain guys WANT you to use their fittings. they complain and knock down everything about a certain setup, but when you think about it, theyd bitch and moan if everyone was using their beloved 'perfect' fit. -_-
i agree completly what adam said about this fit being great for low sp pilots.... and it's true. why not use this light-fit then graduate to a medium-fit?
play eve how you want to play eve. end of story. -
April 26, 2008, 04:23:47 pm
and out of left field, 2 weeks later......... -
April 27, 2008, 01:14:24 am
rofl -
April 27, 2008, 05:02:38 am
Time to chop the head off this necro, let the dead stay buried.
Else it