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Murray
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Reputation: 4

lol - fail.

Beaten by T1 battlecruisers and a T2 Cruiser.

LMAO.
Turelle
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Reputation: 61

lol - fail.

Beaten by T1 battlecruisers and a T2 Cruiser.

LMAO.
Learn to PvP and you might understand that those can quite easily kill most solo CS.

The Rapier removes range control, and with only a scram and no web he can't do much to help himself. The Drake can attack him outside of his range and while the Cane or Binger can't necessarily outrange him, they can put enough DPS on him at relative safety so as not to become a vitcim.

There's also probably other factors involved. ECM drones, TDs etc. It's easy to call 'fail' when you only see a few pictures on a killmail :P
TehMasterSword
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Reputation: 2

Murray, you are really striking me as an idiot right now...
23gabe
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Reputation: 488

The Huginn/Rapier (not sure which) is what killed him, if that wasn't there he could have taken down at least 2 of them. And he should of had best named or faction x-l shield booster so he could have a TE II in his low not a CO-Pro.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

lol - fail.

Beaten by T1 battlecruisers and a T2 Cruiser.

LMAO.

Try to understand what may have happened in the engagement before reaching conclusions. Only once you've flown the ships, and you know their limitation will I acknowledge your comments.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

I've played on and off for far longer than you. Just because I CAN fly the ships doesn't mean I'm going to undock them and get them flattened in PVP just to say "Hey look, I PVPed in this ship".

You do realise that command ships can tank over 1,000 DPS right?

Where were your hired remote reps this time btw?
Turelle
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Reputation: 61

I've played on and off for far longer than you. Just because I CAN fly the ships doesn't mean I'm going to undock them and get them flattened in PVP just to say "Hey look, I PVPed in this ship".

You do realise that command ships can tank over 1,000 DPS right?

Where were your hired remote reps this time btw?

Yeah, you do know that a Drake can do 500-700 DPS. A binger - 600-700+, a cane 600-900?

And please, don't play the 'i've played longer than you so I know more' card. I know younger players who're better pvpers than many of the 'old timers' out there.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

The fleet that engaged me did manage to boast neuts+nos, and medium ecm drones. They knew precisely how to pick my sleippy apart unfortunately. :(

Meh. Sh*t happens.

Curious though. There are plenty of other Sleippy kills that were FAR worse than this. Why choose this one to try and pick apart?
Murray
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Reputation: 4

That really assumes they are going for DPS, and not tank.

SP is really no calculator of how good you are.

How long you have played does matter, perhaps not so much for SP-Gaining (although the base weapons/defence/ships skills are needed), but more the fact that you have been listening, and gathering knowledge of game mechanics for that long, as opposed to a new player who knows slightly less.

Murray
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Reputation: 4

The fleet that engaged me did manage to boast neuts+nos, and medium ecm drones. They knew precisely how to pick my sleippy apart unfortunately. :(

Meh. Sh*t happens.

Curious though. There are plenty of other Sleippy kills that were FAR worse than this. Why choose this one to try and pick apart?

The same reason there are far worse accidental overview bugs that result in kills that result in CONCORD coming for you.....but you chose to comment on mine?
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Um, the one where you fired on one of my corp mates and suicided to get on the killmail? Bear in mind these were war targets. None of the parties involved had to suicide.

You're a km whore. Plain and simple. Kind of pathetic coming from somebody who claims he knows lots about gameplay mechanics.

Try getting your own kills instead of km whoring, nubcake.
Maxxx
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Reputation: 0

stop spamming battleclinic and go sort it out ingame.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Um, the one where you fired on one of my corp mates and suicided to get on the killmail? Bear in mind these were war targets. None of the parties involved had to suicide.

You're a km whore. Plain and simple. Kind of pathetic coming from somebody who claims he knows lots about gameplay mechanics.

Try getting your own kills instead of km whoring, nubcake.

None of the parties were wartargets to me at the time, I believe you had earned a wardec from Parabelum though.

So you're allowed to claim "overview bug" when you aggress alliance members, but when the same thing happens to me, that's suddenly "not allowed" and you resort to pathetic smacktalk?

*yawn*

Maxx....Aldrad is known to hire fleets of neutral remoterep gangs whenever he is outnumbered.

If a big enough fleet is assembled, he docks up.

If, on the other hand his corp assembles a big fleet and chases wartargets who then dock, he goes into a tirade of abuse in local yelling that they are "cowards" for refusing to engage his fleet. And finally when they DO undock and start decimating him, he suddenly goes all quiet in local and re-docks.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Love the bed time story.

You still talk too much though.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Ah...so you can't respond with logic, so you just start shouting your head off to anyone?
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

You wouldn't know logic if it walked across and smacked you in the face.

You've proven two things here:
1. You have a talent for creative writing.
2. You're still an idiot.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Creative writing? No no....I simply state facts and provide killboard link evidence to back up those claims.

Still annoyed from the 1 v 1 you failed to win?



"Engagement Range" in a 1 v 1  :2funny:
Valleria Darkmoon
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Reputation: 15

If a big enough fleet is assembled, he docks up.

If, on the other hand his corp assembles a big fleet and chases wartargets who then dock, he goes into a tirade of abuse in local yelling that they are "cowards" for refusing to engage his fleet. And finally when they DO undock and start decimating him, he suddenly goes all quiet in local and re-docks.
Everyone does this, show me a player that doesn't act with self-preservation in mind while wanting KMs...well come to think of it one of my corp mates is insane and gets us into trouble ALL the time, but most people dodge larger fleets.

The only person who wants a "fair" fight is the one who thinks they have the advantage.  Besides fighting a "fair" fight is a great way to get yourslef some KMs.  The victims know being outnumbered 2:1 by a logistic and jamming supported fleet is hardly "fair".  Actual fair fights, (T1 cruisers 1 v 1 with no neutrals about for example)are too easily lost.

But keep it up guys this is entertaining much like daytime talkshow tv except I can read it at work.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Ye, I have no problem with him docking up to avoid killmails.

It's the fact that he constantly whines in local about how anyone who refuses to engage his camp is a coward, yet doesn't know why he is smacktalked when he does the same.

To be honest.......I feel the choice is up to the individual pilot, but it should be one or the other and not both.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Ye, I have no problem with him docking up to avoid killmails.

It's the fact that he constantly whines in local about how anyone who refuses to engage his camp is a coward, yet doesn't know why he is smacktalked when he does the same.

To be honest.......I feel the choice is up to the individual pilot, but it should be one or the other and not both.

You're still continuing with your drivel?

okay, let me assume the role of Dr. Phil...

Much of the smack in eve is done for psychological effect, to draw the target/s out to attack. If you don't understand the psychological aspect to it, then you're more of a dimwit than I thought.

It's seemingly a common component in empire wars, regardless of how boring and repetitive it is. If I didn't know why I'm smack talked, then I wouldn't be explaining this to you like a child.

And, what choice is up to the individual? You're talking idiot again, aren't you?
Murray
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Reputation: 4

lol - seriously, are you just trolling now? How you managed to keep a command ship for over a day is a mystery to me.

This is the guy who, after smacktalking tries to back-track by saying it was a "psychological ploy", but when others smacktalk him, he claims it is that person being an "idiot"


I'd really like an answer from you regarding the following question Aldrad:

You scrambled a guy in your own alliance, costing him 600 mill, and you blame it on the overview. Yet..you weren't able to comprehend the fact that my overview was also playing up when I scrambled Beh Iettmi.  He was not a war-target, and had not aggressed me, yet he appeared the same as a -5 outlaw on overview, so naturally I shot first, asked questions later. Why did you not see this at first?

Although sadly I predict another attempt from you at dodging this question.
Maxxx
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Reputation: 0

Puff Puff Pass...
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

I'll gladly pick apart your post, and answer your question in the process.

You're upset that my corp decimated you after your month-long war against Grey Templars. These facts alone reveal that your intention was to infact get on a killmail against Grey Templars with one of your alts. My corp has inflicted nearly 1b damage against you and your clone accounts.

So, the real reason for you firing on my corp mate? Desperation. Since you have such immense difficulty killing my corp mates. Come now, you're the one claiming to be more experienced than me. Your incessant wars against Grey Templars in desperation to claw some kills back is an act of stupidity, especially since you keep getting popped. (ref. losses on Murray Illuminati, Misticrevalation).

My mistake in firing on an alliance member bears no resemblance to your killmail which evidently reflects desperation. Bear in mind my blue-on-blue was followed by a full apology, and compensation was given.

You're just so frustrated that you can't kill me or my corp mates, and so you dropped the dec, hired mercs (which you openly dispute, yet follow them around) and instead whored in on their killmails while you're neutral to our corp.

Frustration is the sole basis behind all your drivel posted here.
Valleria Darkmoon
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Reputation: 15

LOL murray this is your alt?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9367146

You tried to defend that fit and claim lag and you want to comment on pvp...I'm done talking.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Riiiighhhht.........so a merc corp deccs you, and I'm supposed to not use that advantage? Your smacktalking nature probably got some miners to decc you. It's common in wars for two corps who both have a wardecc out on a third corp to team-up.

I shot your corp member because of an overview glitch. That glitch put my "Highsec Alt" below -2 sec. Why would I put a highsec char below -2 sec?

If you disagree that the overview being bugged was responsible for my mistaken attack on Beh, your essentially claiming that the overview is not glitched.

If you persist with that argument, then I suggest you look on the forums for "Overview Bug".
Murray
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Reputation: 4

It was very much a "whatever I could grab from the hangar" fit.

I lose ships, which proves I'm not afraid to take them into PVP.......I have a roughly even kill/death and isk destroyed/isk lost record. I'd say I am average/neutral when it comes to PVP.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Frustration and failure to kill me and my corp mates is the sole basis behind all your drivel posted here. Stop making a mockery of yourself before I have to start referencing more of your failmails.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Reference my "failmails" to your hearts content. If I'm really that important to you, feel free.

What is the reason for your drivel?

Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

http://www.eve-corps.org/greytemplars/campaign.jpg

Hakar Khan = Murray, one of his many alts he bought and placed in his own corp. The guy creates four corporations and proceeds to dec us with each of them, but inevitably fails.

Misticrevalation
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Misticrevalation&filter=losses&dateRange=Jan%201,%202003%20to%20Feb%2009,%202010

Murray Illuminati
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Murray+Illuminati&filter=losses&dateRange=Jan%201,%202003%20to%20Feb%2009,%202010
Blackfiredaemon
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Reputation: 126

LOL murray this is your alt?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9367146

You tried to defend that fit and claim lag and you want to comment on pvp...I'm done talking.

Any valid arguments you (murray) had were destroyed right here. This helped and thanks to this I'm rofling my way to an early grave.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Whats wrong with fitting stabs to avoid a station camp? My instaundock was not working, as the station punted me out at a different angle (just slightly)
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

And the cloak?

Every station ejects you out at a slightly different angle. I thought you knew about the game's mechanics?
Blackfiredaemon
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Reputation: 126

How about justifying this one?
Murray
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Reputation: 4

I do.

Most of the time I'm roughly on par with my insta-undock. I try positioning it roughly in the middle of the undock angle. So maybe 7/10 times I can insta-undock 300km out, however on this occasion it happened to be either the 8th, 9th or 10th such time.
Valleria Darkmoon
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Reputation: 15

Murray those killboards really do speak for themselves but not in the way you seem to think.
Frustration and failure to kill me and my corp mates is the sole basis behind all your drivel posted here. Stop making a mockery of yourself before I have to start referencing more of your failmails.

This really is what's going on Murray and the longer you keep posting the worse its getting and the more this statement looks true.

I'd say quit while you're ahead but its far too late for that...so i'll just say quit at this point.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

How about justifying this one?

No justification for that one I'll admit.



lol - so sorta "Quit while your only so far behind"?
That's a good concept......

I guess I lost a lot of these ships trying to take down one of the guys corp members. Obviously thanks to 800 million down the drain I now know that he often has bait ships and alts aligned to him from safespots, as well as neutral remote reps.

Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

You lose stuff like this yet you criticize my killmail?... wow.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Quoting you:
"I've played on and off for far longer than you. Just because I CAN fly the ships doesn't mean I'm going to undock them and get them flattened in PVP just to say "Hey look, I PVPed in this ship"."


Isn't that what you've been doing though? EVIDENTLY.


By his comments on the eve forum, I sense he has been hurt greatly. :/

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1259754&page=2
Turelle
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Reputation: 61

Murray
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Reputation: 4

LOL at the above post....
Popcorn for sale!
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

LOL at the above post....
Popcorn for sale!

Bravo for changing the subject. 10/10.
Turelle
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Reputation: 61

LOL at the above post....
Popcorn for sale!
No changing the subject. I hate epeen waving, smack talking people. and seeing one have the tables reversed on them is always entertaining. Either shut and stop treating these forums like the cesspool of filth that is the EVE-O forums or continue to entertain us like you currently are.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

huh?

I wasn't trying to change the subject......someone is obviously sitting there having a laugh because of our argument, I simply thought I'd congratulate someone on gaining something out of it.

Only...it appears to be fine to change the subject if it works in Aldrad's favour......
Mad Hops
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Reputation: 1036

This thread is way too long to read all of because it's that stupid. If you spend a few hundred million isk on this, it can be a wonderful ship. But this fit isn't bad.

As for it dying to this gang, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Those BC's can put out a lot of dps, and the Huginn is nice too.

Overall, the two of you should sort this out in game or Murray should just not talk anymore. I'm not claiming I'm a god at PvP, but I believe myself to be quite proficient at it and I've only been playing for less than a year. SP's and time playing don't mean you win at PvP whatsoever. A proper gang can kill just about any single ship.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

I'm more inclined to believe Aldrad should shut up.
I'm happy to admit I am unlikely to "sort this out in-game" with him, as he always wants to fly around in a fleet and his corp are known to dishonour 1 v 1's.

Although strictly speaking.......it is a fair enough tactic, bringing more people to fight than your enemy does. I guess I'm only annoyed with him because I happen to be on the losing side lol.
Blackfiredaemon
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Reputation: 126

I'm more inclined to believe Aldrad should shut up.
YOU are the one that made this topic. YOU are the one that made the first retarded comment. YOU be the first to shut up.
23gabe
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Reputation: 488

As an experienced player (and the pilot of the Sleip), it doesn't matter what's shooting you, if there are enough of them, you are going to die. No lets all drop this thing, sort it through PM's or out of BC.
Mad Hops
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Reputation: 1036

As an experienced player (and the pilot of the Sleip), it doesn't matter what's shooting you, if there are enough of them, you are going to die. No lets all drop this thing, sort it through PM's or out of BC.

Wish we could also lock killmails... this has gotten out of hand. Can't even edit their posts to take out some of the vulgarity.
Aldrad
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Reputation: 8

Apologies for any vulgarity I may have displayed. I hate nubs who try out of desperation to tarnish my name.
Reisenkaze
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Reputation: 1065

Apologies for any vulgarity I may have displayed. I hate nubs who try out of desperation to tarnish my name.

No nub can tarnish a reputation that's well earned. Besides, cherish that he's in front of a computer attached to the internet and not outside with the rest of the world.
Baron Wikkheiser
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Reputation: 2

nothing fail about it. 2 ships with neuts and a rapier. yeah that sleipnir is going down quick.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Also apologizing for any annoyance/offense taken. Me and the OP had "a little disagreement" and we both let it spill over into Battleclinic.

Those with popcorn had a free "lol-thread" to amuse themselves with for a while, but the shows over as far as I'm concerned now.

Aldrad - I retract the comment about your Sleipnir being "fail", I was simply responding to your smacktalk on my, shall we say "less-than-good" lossmails.
stogie
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Reputation: 0

murray ,aldrad you both might fail in my books but murray at least aldrads making a good show of it all you are going is shivering in the corner jibbering like some starved crack whore so in reality aldrad wins as hes given me something interesting to read.

Its also nice to see you to love birds have made up i hope you have many fat children together.
Murray
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Reputation: 4

Ye, I apologize for that.

I just got pissed off when Aldrad started spouting utter trash in an attempt to bait me into replying (which I stupidly reacted to).

I doubt we've "made up".......no doubt he'll still linger around the killmails looking to start another argument. But we can at least hope.
Wicked-Prayer
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Reputation: 43

That really assumes they are going for DPS, and not tank.

You do realise that command ships can tank over 1,000 DPS right?

Where were your hired remote reps this time btw?


IDIOT

Babarrs Cane knocks out around 800+ DPS
Polters Cone does 700+ DPS
Fabs' Binger does about 700 DPS
Man's Drake does about 500
Pont's Huginn does about 2-300
On average thats about 3000 DPS, which is more than your claimed CS tank, and i can tell you that because Bellum and most of the corps in my mains employment history have had more run ins and shenanigans than id care to remember


"How long you have played does matter, perhaps not so much for SP-Gaining (although the base weapons/defence/ships skills are needed), but more the fact that you have been listening, and gathering knowledge of game mechanics for that long, as opposed to a new player who knows slightly less."


There are young'uns in one of the intel channels i hang in who teach 05 players new tricks

I'm more inclined to believe Aldrad should shut up.
I'm happy to admit I am unlikely to "sort this out in-game" with him, as he always wants to fly around in a fleet and his corp are known to dishonour 1 v 1's.

Although strictly speaking.......it is a fair enough tactic, bringing more people to fight than your enemy does. I guess I'm only annoyed with him because I happen to be on the losing side lol.

Thats called having friends with you, go to 0.0 if you want to play that card.

Aldrad, Kudos to you dude, i tip my hat
Turelle
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Reputation: 61

no doubt he'll still linger around the killmails looking to start another argument. But we can at least hope.

First post in this thread:
lol - fail.

Beaten by T1 battlecruisers and a T2 Cruiser.

LMAO.

I wish I could lock this thread now, it's really run its course.
Blazer463
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Reputation: 0

Jesus Christ, and I thought EVE was populated by a more mature playerbase.
hedfunk
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Reputation: 0

Murray = Mistic = Considered (not now, sold char) = Coronosphere.

Some of you may remember him from this epic thread:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1240704/page/1#23

He's been following me around for years being as hilariously stupid as he has been to you recently Aldrad. Read that thread, laugh for hours. He's a child.
Mad Hops
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Reputation: 1036

Murray = Mistic = Considered (not now, sold char) = Coronosphere.

Some of you may remember him from this epic thread:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1240704/page/1#23

He's been following me around for years being as hilariously stupid as he has been to you recently Aldrad. Read that thread, laugh for hours. He's a child.

Initiating necro lock sequence in 3...2...1...

Aldrad’s Sleipnir was lost in Jita (0.9) on 2010-01-24


Ship lost Sleipnir
Points earned 4.5
Pilots involved 5
Damage dealt 18,579
Original value 278.66M
ISK Destroyed 269.59M
ISK Dropped 9.06M
Spaceship
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
Upgraded 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
50MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Modulename
Aldrad
  • Victim

Mannorroth
  • Final blow
  • Empire
Item Location Quantity Value
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hiPower 4 4.40M Destroyed
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hiPower 3 3.30M Dropped
Upgraded 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I hiPower 1 1.30K Dropped
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II medPower 1 1.69M Destroyed
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I medPower 1 100.14K Destroyed
50MN Microwarpdrive I medPower 1 259.22K Destroyed
Warp Scrambler II medPower 1 1.28M Dropped
X-Large Shield Booster II medPower 1 1 Dropped
Gyrostabilizer II loPower 2 1.29M Destroyed
Gyrostabilizer II loPower 1 644.89K Dropped
Damage Control II loPower 1 410.00K Dropped
Co-Processor II loPower 1 795.00K Dropped
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I rigSlot 1 150.00K Destroyed
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I rigSlot 1 93.00K Destroyed
Warrior II drone 3 801.01K Dropped
Cap Booster 800 cargo 7 7.74K Destroyed
Barrage M cargo 396 48.99K Destroyed
Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile cargo 52 46.33K Destroyed
Cap Booster 800 cargo 2 2.21K Dropped
Barrage M cargo 1,437 177.77K Dropped
Hail M cargo 3,466 395.12K Dropped
Republic Fleet EMP M cargo 85 63.16K Dropped
Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile cargo 1,344 1.20M Dropped
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In certain circumstances, BattleClinic makes some assumptions when assigning ISK values. For example, CCP does not differentiate BPOs from BPCs inside a killmail or via the API thread. Therefore, we display the ISK value for a BPO, even if the item destroyed was, in reality, a BPC. We revisit these assumptions from time to time and try to find ways to improve results.

Combat Record Tags
BattleClinic displays combat tags based on our analysis of your activity. These tags appear and disappear depending on your actions over time. These tags are not awards and are not permanent. They highlight recent noteworthy achievements.
Top 10k Pilot - Appears when your point total places you in the top 10,000 pilots in all of EVE-Online
Damage Dealer - Appears when your 7-day damage dealt to damage received ratio is significant.
Empire Dweller - Appears when your most recent final blows have occurred in Empire space (0.5 or above). Note that some pilots make references to "carebears" when discussing players who are based in Empire space.
LoSec Roamer - Appears when your most recent final blows have occurred in Low Security space (0.1 to 0.4). Roaming pirates are common in LoSec.
0.0 Pioneer - Appears when your most recent final blows have occurred in 0.0 space. Most Alliances are typically found in "nullsec" and most typically engage in taming (or contributing to) the lawless wilderness of 0.0.

Loss Mail Record Tags
These tags are not awards and are not permanent. They highlight recent noteworthy achievements.
Nemesis: Lights up on your loss record when the same pilot gets the final blow on you three or more times within 7 days.
100% Destruction: Lights up when all of your ship's modules are destroyed.
Empire Kill: Lights up when the kill occurs within Empire space.
Solo Kill: Lights up when the pilot who killed you did so without any assistance.

Removing Your Character from the Killboard
Occasionally BattleClinic receives requests to remove characters from the killboard, especially those with a losing record. Unfortunately this is an impossible task because one pilot's loss is another's kill. In addition, other killboards have feeds which could restore your character's appearance on BattleClinic. If you want a better showing on any killboard, achieve success in the battlespace.

Characters with Prior History
If you purchased your character from someone else, or you create a new character and discover that the name had been used previously, you may want the prior record removed. We understand: you'd like a 'clean slate' since it's your character now. Unfortunately this is not possible, because those previous kills and losses were legitimate, and are part of someone else's stats. There's no getting around the universal truth that all relationships come with prior baggage.